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Battlefleet Gothic => [BFG] Discussion => Topic started by: Plaxor on December 15, 2010, 08:04:52 AM
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So after reading warp rift 30 and thinking about it for a while, I was wondering if we could get a listing of which segmentum IN ships are used.
From armada/BBB:
| Ship | Obscuras | Tempestus | Pacificus | Solar | Ultima |
| Lunar | Yes | Yes | ? | Yes | Yes |
| Gothic | Yes | Yes | Yes | Yes | Yes |
| Dictator | Yes | Yes | ? | Yes | ? |
| Tyrant | Yes | No | ? | Yes | ? |
| Dominator | No | Yes | ? | No | Yes |
| Dauntless | Yes | Yes | ? | No | Yes |
| End/End/Def | Yes | Yes | ? | Yes | ? |
| Armageddon | Yes | No | ? | Yes | ? |
| Mars | Yes | Yes | ? | Yes | ? |
| Overlord | Yes | Yes | ? | Yes | Yes |
| Vengeance | Yes | Yes | Yes | No | ? |
| Avenger | Yes | Yes | ? | Yes | ? |
| Exorcist | Yes | Yes | ? | No | Yes |
| Retribution | Yes | No | ? | Yes | ? |
| Emperor | Yes | Yes | Yes | Yes | Yes |
| Oberon | No | No | ? | Yes | ? |
| Apocalypse | Yes | No | Yes | Yes | ? |
| Falchion | No | No | ? | Yes | ? |
| Sword | Yes | Yes | ? | No | Yes |
| Firestorm | Yes | Yes | ? | Yes | Yes |
| Cobra | Yes | Yes | ? | No | Yes |
| Invincible | No | Yes | ? | No | ? |
| Nemesis | No | ? | ? | No | ? |
| Victory | No | Yes | ? | No | Yes |
| Vanquisher | Yes | No | Yes | No | ? |
| Furious | Yes | Yes | ? | No | ? |
| Cardinal | Yes | Yes | ? | No | ? |
| Jovian | No | Yes | ? | No | Yes |
| Serpent | Yes | No | Yes | No | ? |
| Orion | No | Yes | ? | No | Yes |
| Daemon Slayer | No | Yes | ? | No | Yes |
| Hawking | Yes | Yes | Yes | Yes | Yes |
| Enforcer | No | Yes | ? | No | Yes |
| Siluria | Yes | Yes | Yes | Yes | Yes |
| Viper | No | Yes | ? | No | Yes |
There are a few peculiarities:
Firestorm: Is included in the armageddon list, and is mentioned as an upgraded sword, but there aren't swords in this list?
Endeavors: These feel like they shouldn't be in the Obscuras list, they'll probably be removed in 'flawed ships'
Dauntlesses/Cobras: For some reason I feel like I was reading about Inquisitor Kryptman and he was on a dauntless with a squadron of cobras watching the nids eat a planet. Which means they would be in the Ultima segmentum. Not sure though.
GCs: Some are mentioned very vaguely. Like the Exorcist is just mentioned as being stationed at the edge of the imperium, and patrolling into the halo.
Armageddon: "Most segmentums have a few apocalypse" Which doesn't?
The Ships compendium has a lot of ships from tempestus and ultima, but most of them are weird or need changes.
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Suggest for readability make this into a table ??
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Suggest for readability make this into a table ??
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Didn't know you read these boards Lex.
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Fixed. Will go through additional ships compendium and the online fanatics etc.
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I'd say the Lunar, Gothic, Tyrant and Dictator are probably found in all Segmentums, as they're the mainstay cruisers.
I would expect the Emperor and Retribution to be similiarly ubiquitous.
A quick look at Lexicanum revealed the following:
Godefroy Magnificat, an Apocalypse that served in the Sabbat Worlds Crusade in Pacificus.
Dominus Astra, an Emperor that played a pivotal role in the battle for Macragge, also in Pacificus.
Relentless is the Lunar Class star of its titular novel, set in the Bethesba sector of Ultima Segmentum.
Righteous Power is an Overlord that took part in the Taros Campaign in Ultima Segmentum.
Invincis Squadron, Swords, Taros, Ultima.
Novem Squadron, Firestorms, Taros, Ultima.
Omna Squadron, Cobras, Taros, Ultima.
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Yes, gothic is listed as in all segmentums, and the lunar and modified lunar (dictator) are probably found in all segmentums, however the Tyrant is not listed as being part of battlefleet bakka in segmentum tempestus. If another fleet list was drawn for Ultima, this would likely be the ship lost.
Looking at lexicanum:
Hammer of Thrace: A lunar in the taros campaign, so Ultima
Relentless: From the BL novel relenless, a lunar in Ultima
Cerebus/August: Daunless in the Taros Campaign: Ultima
Pax Imperium: Mars BC that was flagship of Lord Solar: Tempestus
Niobe: An Overlord that participated in the Damocles Crusade: Ultima
Lord of light: Macharian Crusade: Tempestus
That's harvested from Lexicanum. Will update list.
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I do 8-)
And as of last friday I am even playing BFG (again) with you youngest spawn.
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That's cool.Yay for Dutch BFG. :)
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Yeah... you might be seeing me sooner or later ;-)
I think the Dutch have a nice naval tradition (rather then a navel one)
I think I even have the "older" version of BFG ?!? where you had to roll dice in a boxlid that was divided into spaces to determine results ....??!!
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Fleshed out Tempestus with the info from battlefleet bakka.
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@Lex Sounds like Space Fleet to me. BFG is a new game compared to it ^^
At the moment, why would anybody play Tempestus fleets ? They have the oldest ships ans only one battleship. Maybe drop the reserve rules to 1:2 instead 1:3 for Tempestus to make the list somewhat appealing for the ships you can get as reserves are "outdated" to the IN.
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At the moment, why would anybody play Tempestus fleets ? They have the oldest ships ans only one battleship. Maybe drop the reserve rules to 1:2 instead 1:3 for Tempestus to make the list somewhat appealing for the ships you can get as reserves are "outdated" to the IN.
It's not a legal list, and the only thing they lose out on is battleships (3 of them, but they get one) and battlecruisers (they lose the apocalypse) however everything else they either trade (dominator for tyrant in case of cruisers), or they gain some (CLs and escorts)
It's decent enough.
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I was only comparing to BBB/Armada, adding the unofficial stuff makes it decent but with that it has no chance to become official. So this was my suggestion in case the HA will get involved with the segmentum list idea. It fits the fluff.
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My question is: what do we do with ships that appear in canon, but are not statted for BFG?
Redeemer Heavy Cruiser - Obscurus (Emperor's Finest)
Relentless class cruiser - Obscurus (BFG Blue Book)
Tempest class frigate - Obscurus (RT)
We also only have the civilian version of the Kar-Duniash class cruiser (Ultima).
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Gah, Kar-Duniash isn't a class! Civilian? Do you mean military?
I was hoping that the HA would consider giving the ship class a name, I suggested the Hydra.
As that ship has 4 torps instead of 6, and the dominator is in main-use, It would be interesting to see a fleet based around less torpedoes, and possibly with more launch bays and nova cannons. With the victory, jovian and enforcer included as an Ultima fleet list.
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Oh and ships that are in canon, but not in bfg feel free to list them.
I think this is the first time that I've seriously gone through the ships in the books, but they stay very true to the fluff of BFG, and keeping the B+W ship profile pictures are cool.
Ships from RT (all in obscuras)
Escorts (or would be): Hazeroth, Havoc, Tempest (Would have a launch bay W/ABs)
Heavy Cruisers: Ignis Class (Ultima)
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Gah, Kar-Duniash isn't a class! Civilian? Do you mean military?
Actually, Rogue Traders would be considered civilians. (despite how heavily armed they are)
And, IIRC, the fluff in the old RT fleets artical does talk about the 'rt cruiser' as a 'Kar-Duniash' class cruiser, unique to that local.
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I know, it's just that most rogue traders fly old naval vessels. Which means that they were probably military at some point.
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It doesn't mention it in the original fabric of the imperium article. Where do you think it would be listed?
Also they don't really name ships after planets, however they do have the armageddon... but I don't think that's necessarily named after the planet.
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Plaxor,
Eh.. Mars.... Lunar (moon).
Yeah... you might be seeing me sooner or later ;-)
I think the Dutch have a nice naval tradition (rather then a navel one)
I think I even have the "older" version of BFG ?!? where you had to roll dice in a boxlid that was divided into spaces to determine results ....??!!
Wat is er mis met de Nederlandse navel?
;)
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I see.... and now I feel dumb.
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| Ship | Obscuras | Tempestus | Pacificus | Solar | Ultima |
| Dictator | Yes | Yes | ? | Yes | ? |
The Dictator may not be in the Bastion fleets but it is certainly included in the Gothic sector fleet which is part of Obscuras.
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Masque, I think you mean Dominator, which yes in the fluff there is a single dominator in the Gothic fleet, however it's not included in the bastion fleet. It's more like an allied ship in this respect. This section shows ships that are used fairly often.
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So I've been working on a concept for the Ignis class. What is listed for it is that it was designed to fight battleships with high firepower. It has a high combat speed, and is supposed to be a linebreaker, but it has power issues. Of course this is off of assumptions and thoughts in Flawed ships.
Ignis Class Battlecruiser:
Cruiser/8 Shields:1 Turrets:3 Speed 20 Armor:6+/5+
Port/Starboard weapons batteries: fp12@30
Dorsal weapons batteries: Fp6@30
Prow torpedoes: 4 (mimicking the RTcruiser)
Special rules: The Ignis class was a failed attempt to improve the speed and weapons on a dominator-class hull. However the ship gets an additional 2d6 movement whilst on all ahead full, however it will place a blast marker in contact with it's base when it declares Lock on orders before it moves (I.E. it will slow the ship by 5cm)
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So I've been working on a concept for the Ignis class. What is listed for it is that it was designed to fight battleships with high firepower. It has a high combat speed, and is supposed to be a linebreaker, but it has power issues. Of course this is off of assumptions and thoughts in Flawed ships.
Ignis Class Battlecruiser:
Cruiser/8 Shields:1 Turrets:3 Speed 20 Armor:6+/5+
Port/Starboard weapons batteries: fp12@30
Dorsal weapons batteries: Fp6@30
Prow torpedoes: 4 (mimicking the RTcruiser)
Special rules: The Ignis class was a failed attempt to improve the speed and weapons on a dominator-class hull. However the ship gets an additional 2d6 movement whilst on all ahead full, however it will place a blast marker in contact with it's base when it declares Lock on orders before it moves (I.E. it will slow the ship by 5cm)
Except Ignis is a heavy cruiser, not a BC. And, the only one I could find (Implacable Flame) was equipped with a lance rather then torps.
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You're perfectly right Baron, there is only one Ignis cruiser listed, but it is 'modified' and I made these stats to fit a bit better with what IN would likely give it for prow weaponry. Also FFG is a little against putting torps on their ships as I don't think they've written rules for them yet (iirc) hopefully in BFK.
Heavy cruiser... battlecruiser.... I wrote it as a BC just to avoid the restriction convolution in a potential list.
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You're perfectly right Baron, there is only one Ignis cruiser listed, but it is 'modified' and I made these stats to fit a bit better with what IN would likely give it for prow weaponry. Also FFG is a little against putting torps on their ships as I don't think they've written rules for them yet (iirc) hopefully in BFK.
Heavy cruiser... battlecruiser.... I wrote it as a BC just to avoid the restriction convolution in a potential list.
Meh, it wasn't hard with the Cardinal class, and it's a heavy cruiser. Hcs count as cruisers for taking other ships so...
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HCs take a similar slot as BCs in Chaos. They are kinda the same class of ship, but for some reason they decided to call them heavy cruisers for chaos, and battlecruisers for IN.
I guess it's fine calling it a HC, although it would have the same restrictions as BCs (I.E you can only buy one
BC/HC/CG for every 2 cruisers)
Any thoughts on the stats though? Decent? I'm trying to write up an eastern fringe list, and the Ignus has the same storyline/feel as the Acheron, where it was experimental, and no one really knows if there is more than one.
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Invincible
Nemesis
Victory
Vanquisher
Furious
Cardinal
Jovian
Serpent
Orion
Daemon Slayer
Hawking
Enforcer
Siluria
Viper
Over a dozen classes of Imperial vessal I'm not familiar with? Good grief, just where were the suplements they're in released?
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They were in fanatic magazine back in the day, they're all unofficial. Can't give you a link, but search for "additional ships compendium"
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They were in fanatic magazine back in the day, they're all unofficial. Can't give you a link, but search for "additional ships compendium"
If it hasn't changed in a while, I think I already have that file buried somewhere on my hard disk. If this is true, I'm just mildly disapointed to see them listed along side the official classes.
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Yeah, practically all of them are weird/would disrupt game balance. Some would just need a small stats revision to be playable.
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And some would leave people screaming for my head on a plate. Particularly IN fast battleships.
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yep. the invincible would be ridiculous. 8 hit fast BB... crazy and way off from anything else the IN has.
I think your Ignis Class is *interesting* but really outclassed by by the proposed remake of the overlord.
Ultima is supposed to have a bunch of the 'leftovers' so i'd imagine they have the Avenger (and perhaps Vengeance) pretty commonplace.
if anyone wants to shoot ideas back and forth on the proposed ultima/eastern fringe list, send me a pm.
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I actually would like to Valhallan, if you're up for it I would like to work on a little project...
Forgot about overlord, will revise stats.
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So since we got rid of the Overlord in our Flawed ships document, I don't think it competes so well with the Ignus I built. However the Avenger does, but it doesn't have 6+ prow armor, and has to buy speed/torps....
I could see going as high as 14 on the sides of the Ignus, as it says in the fluff that it was a failed attempt to improve the weapons/speed of the vessel.