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Battlefleet Gothic => [BFG] Discussion => Topic started by: lastspartacus on September 16, 2011, 01:47:17 AM
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So working on a project, and I was wondering if there was any fluff speaking of Eldar warp travel.
Do they solely rely on webway portals, or are they capable of warp travel as well? I assume it would be dangerous.
Do they not have Gellar field technology?
What do stellar webway portals look like, are they ever mentioned? Simply subtle, stealthy balls of technology floating in the middle of space?
How fast is webway travel in relation to warp travel. I know that is a tough question due to the randomness of warp travel.
On the Imperium: I know different battlefleets, in current rules and in fluff, have different typical traits that set them apart, such as Battlefleet Armageddon having more battlecruisers, I recall one of them mostly shunned AC, one fancied grand cruisers, etc.
Who knows the most about which and what?
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As far as imp battlefleets the only ones that are in bfg (semi official) are gothic ::) armageddon which you hit on more cb and I think space marines can be taken as part of the standard fleet, and bastion which favor big guns over launch, only one emp allowed per fleet and it must be the dominsta astra iirc and one other ship that was unique (one only per fleet) that was basically a styx on the new platform.
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Sorry bastion is the one with the cg's and bakka? Is the anti launch one
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Battlefleet Bakka has/d the launch bay 'issues'.
Kar Duniash is known for a higher number of Dominators then other sectors. So fleets getting ships from Kar Duniash would have more Dominators then the one in the Gothic sector.
The Doom of the Eldar pdf has substantial info on webway portals. Have you googled it? 40k lexicanum? 40k Eldar codex?
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I think you have that wrong way around, Horizon, since dominators can only be taken in Gothic sector, and no other ^_^
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No no.
There was one Dominator in the Gothic Sector.
It is written Kar Duniash has more Dominators.
We have no official fleet list detailing the Kar Duniash Sector/Segmentum.
So I assume Kar Duniash based fleets have more Dominatos.
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I remember reading somewhere (I can't remember where though), that the eldar can use warp travel, but only do so for short distances and in an emergency, as their souls glow much brighter than other races and so they attract daemons to the their ships too much. I assume this means they have Gellar fields, but they are taxed heavily by more daemons trying to get into the ship.
As for the appearance of webways, its one of the things that seems to be never mentioned. Some authors think of them as giant wraithbone constructions (i.e. dawn of war), while others think of them as invisible holes in reality. Perhaps both types exist.
In terms of speed, I imagine webway travel can be just as variable as warp travel, as many webway tunnels are damaged or destroyed, forcing the eldar to take long meandering routes to avoid blockages (as occurred in the second gothic war novel).
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Realy large ones might be anchored by Eldar construction/artefacts scatered on astroids. moons and for a BIG hole maybe even planets.........
Nice setup for a campaign setting id say ..... 8) 8)
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No real info in print, but oh well.
Another question on Eldar. What exactly IS the void stalker anyway? I know it can be used by both craftworld and corsair eldar, but is it a pirate ship or a craftworld ship in purpose? I ask because the aesthetics are seemingly corsair, but possibly simply because it came out before the craftworld eldar had their own unique look. Would it be a considered mainly a craftworld fleet battleship?
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Another question on Eldar. What exactly IS the void stalker anyway? I know it can be used by both craftworld and corsair eldar, but is it a pirate ship or a craftworld ship in purpose? I ask because the aesthetics are seemingly corsair, but possibly simply because it came out before the craftworld eldar had their own unique look. Would it be a considered mainly a craftworld fleet battleship?
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The Void Stalker is only available in the Corsair list. Nowhere in a Craftworld list.
Design wise it is Corsair anyway.
/// the thing is, corsairs leave craftworlds. Do they forge their own ships or take existing ones with them? I suspect the first. Going on the path of outcast is different then stealing.
However, Yriel did just do that: steal a ship.
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I always thought that the Eldars ships would differ form one craftworld to another and that the corsair fleet was just indicitive of the Eldar ships from around the Gothic sector.
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I simply found it curious that the corsairs could manage or have a use for a battleship class vessel, being the resources that entails.
I just assumed they requisitioned one from a craftworld when things got serious. I didn't realize craftworld couldn't use void stalker. Funny.
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The Void Stalker is a corsair build and design. Corsair Eldar having a BB does not preclude the CWE from having one. A CWE BB may be even more powerful than a CE BB. At the moment we don't have CWE battleships simply because SG has not released a model for it. The Wyrmship design is meant to fill this void, but of course it requires a suitable conversion.
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Right, it just surprised me that corsairs in an asteroid pirate base could have the facilities to construct a BB. But all that really informs me is that corsairs are better equipped than I thought, just choosing to live away from their craftworld.
On the subject of DE, I know their ships are different, but they follow the same principles, yes?
Would they qualify for MMS or is that too powerful for them. I know they don't use solar sails, but I figured their vessels would be of comparable speed, if not star-dependant. It has always confused me honestly the great disparity between their means of doing things, far more far apart than imperials and chaos.
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Dark eldar only make one move altho their single move is very fast.
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Yes, now. I was referring if they were put into the MMS format like Eldar were.
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Right, it just surprised me that corsairs in an asteroid pirate base could have the facilities to construct a BB. But all that really informs me is that corsairs are better equipped than I thought, just choosing to live away from their craftworld.
Well it first started popping up after a bunch of pirate bands came together. Perhaps trade deals were struck to pool resources allowing for its construction.
On the subject of DE, I know their ships are different, but they follow the same principles, yes?
Would they qualify for MMS or is that too powerful for them. I know they don't use solar sails, but I figured their vessels would be of comparable speed, if not star-dependant. It has always confused me honestly the great disparity between their means of doing things, far more far apart than imperials and chaos.
DE have a far different culture to other Eldar. They eschew the use of psykers and live inside the Webway. These two things combined make for a very different tech approach. Add to this the DE forbearance of soul stones and dependence on slave taking and their inherent cruelty and you get a rather large gulf between DE and other Eldar. Reflecting this in their rules isn't a bad idea.
Also, DE get a free CTNH and are quite fast to begin with, so they're capable of similar feats of manoeuvrability as CE/CWE.
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I havn't read either DE codex, but I didn't realize DE chose not to have psykers, for whatever reason. Wait, aren't Eldar an inherantly psychic race right down to their DNA? Maybe generations of latex and whips is kind of like gene altering cancer :)
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The choice to have DE eschew psykers has always baffled me.
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DE should be a tad different then Eldar MMS, mimic engines should be free.
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Maybe they dare not use it since they have none of the protections against Slaanesh like the CWE do.
When you say different, Horizon, do you mean no double move?
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Yeah, they are not so 'flexible' due non-wraithbone and non-solar sails.
On the MMS download page you'll see an old DE file with some changed rules. I only made the pdf no work on rules. It never got developed further. The art is good though.
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Maybe they dare not use it since they have none of the protections against Slaanesh like the CWE do.
Can anybody remember reading the Torturer's Tale ages back? It was in one of the issues of White Dwarf. I think it seemed to imply that the Dark Eldar survive by... distracting... Slaanesh. Slaanesh is slowly sucking their souls out, Slaanesh's power is reduced in the webway. By torturing people (especially those attuned to the warp, like craftworld Eldar) the Dark Eldar would distract Slaanesh from the Dark Eldar, or something like that. I'm guessing a powerful psyker would be too easy for Slaanesh to find - who would then be able to drain the souls from anyone near the psyker.
There was one Dominator in the Gothic Sector.
It is written Kar Duniash has more Dominators.
From the "Ships of the Gothic Sector":
"Dominator class cruisers are far more common to battlefleet Ultima than Battlefleet Obscuras, the vast majority being built at the fleet base at Kar Duniash. The only Dominator class vessel serving in the Gothic Sector at the outset of the war was the Hammer of Justice under the command of Captain Grenfeld."
There's the evidence, although the bit I underlined does leave a possibility that other Dominators served in the Gothic Sector war.
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Good catch on the outset part, but still. :)
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Can anybody remember reading the Torturer's Tale ages back? It was in one of the issues of White Dwarf. I think it seemed to imply that the Dark Eldar survive by... distracting... Slaanesh. Slaanesh is slowly sucking their souls out, Slaanesh's power is reduced in the webway. By torturing people (especially those attuned to the warp, like craftworld Eldar) the Dark Eldar would distract Slaanesh from the Dark Eldar, or something like that. I'm guessing a powerful psyker would be too easy for Slaanesh to find - who would then be able to drain the souls from anyone near the psyker.
This is an example of crap fluff. The DE prolong their lives by sucking souls. These souls never make it to the warp, therefore they'd not attract any warp entity at all. Also, Slaanesh can't just snuff out an Eldar life. Slaanesh eats their souls when they die, as they've no Gods left to protect them (practically speaking). The CWE get around this by catching their souls in special stones so they don't cross over to the warp, protecting them from Slaanesh. The Harlequin Eldar get around this by virtue of the laughing god (Loec), who protects them. Solitaires sell their souls to Slaanesh in return for their abilities. Slaanesh doesn't always get these souls however; sometimes Loec can trick Slaanesh out of his prize.
I think exodite Eldar deal with Slaanesh with soulstones, but the DE are perpetually in denial. That is they try to avoid being consumed by Slaanesh by trying to avoid death. They eat souls to prolong their lives. Even the souls of other DE. So it sucks to be a DE, you're either going to be eaten by Slaanesh or another DE when you die.
Since Slaanesh can't just eat living Eldar there's no need to 'distract' him by torturing other souls and really, this isn't a distraction, it's in fact more likely to focus Slaanesh's gaze towards them. So there's no reason why the DE couldn't have psykers. All they'd need is the equivalent of a CWE Ghosthelm to protect them from Slaanesh and they'd be fine. Or as fine as any other DE anyway.