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Battlefleet Gothic => [BFG] Discussion => Topic started by: wargame_insomniac on October 05, 2011, 06:11:45 PM
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Hi
I have been sorting through my BFG ships in recent weeks. I cam across some parts that are not current BFG range and don't fit in with old Spacefleet range.
There is a curved prow, similar to Voss prow but with more pronounced ram. There are some weapon batteries, with height just a bit more than the current plastic ones. And what I would guess are lance turrets.
Sound familiar to anyone who know old GW models?
I picked the up second hand years ago- they had been attached to a balsa wood ship hull which I scrapped and put the bits to one side.
Thanks
James
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Pictures could help if you've got them. :)
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Pictures could help if you've got them. :)
Hi Vaish. I thought they might so i have taken some pictures after making post. Comparison of prow to Retribution/Apocalypse and comparison to GW Spacefleet ships. I'll e0mail you the pictures.
Thanks
James
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Put the images in this post so we can all see.
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Duh. Pics please :)
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Tried but did nt work- pics too large
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Tried but did nt work- pics too large
Stand further back from your computer, the pictures will get smaller.
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Upload them to photobucket, flickr etc. the upload option in the forum is too small.
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Upload them to photobucket, flickr etc. the upload option in the forum is too small.
Well, if you want to go around giving practical advice ... ::)
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Your advice was funnier. ;)
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I took the liberty of reducing the image size so it could be posted. Here's the image that had the clearest overview of the parts. I wasn't for sure, but I thought the battery bitz and prow were familiar. I checked in the BBB and on p. 63 you can see the prow and batteries on the scratch built ship in the lower left image.
(http://www.twolandscreative.com/wip/bfg/parts.jpg)
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Yup. So a famous ship ended up in bitz...
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Wow very old school! Will be keen to take a look at the actual ship in the BBB when I get home!
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Thanks Vaish. It was a shame that the balsa hull was in such bad shape when I found it in second hand shop.
Does that mean that the prow and batteries were scratch built? Or that they were a limited run that they did nt put into production.
I was thinking of using the prow for a Grand Cruiser, as it is quite tall.
Thanks
James
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The parts are metal right? My guess is that they were perhaps prototype parts for Imperial ships. GW may have done a run of them for playtesting or something?
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The parts are metal right? My guess is that they were perhaps prototype parts for Imperial ships. GW may have done a run of them for playtesting or something?
That would make sense- there was a total of 2 prows, 6 weapon abtteries and 2 lance batteries that I rescued from their balsa ships. And looking at the picture on pg 63 of BBB - that certainly was nt the ship that I bought.
As i said one prow I have long ear-marked to go on a Grand Cruiser hull. For the other prow and the lance/weapon batteries I am not sure what to do with. If they were unpainted I would offer them up to someone to cast up and preserve for BFG community.. I guess I could paint strip them of their black undercoat.
But I don't know how GW's IP works if they were un-released models?
Thanks
James
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Howd you come by those bits? I like them in more than a simply retro way. Wish I had one :)
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And yes, give it over to the community! :p
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Howd you come by those bits? I like them in more than a simply retro way. Wish I had one :)
As I said before- I bought them n second hand store along with a couple other BFG bitz- over a decade ago - shop up in Mansfield so guess not far from Lenton if someone was getting rid of them way back.
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The parts are metal right? My guess is that they were perhaps prototype parts for Imperial ships. GW may have done a run of them for playtesting or something?
Yes the prow and weapons are metal.
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These are so obscure recasting won't ever be noticed.
Isn't it written that the ship was build from lotsa Epic bits? Need to check at home.
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The only epic bit I can find on that ship is the superstructure which is from the epic chaos line.
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Maybe but that is all academic as it was nt the ship pictured in the BBB that I bought- hopefully that is still in someone's display cabinet.
Cheers
James
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This is truly an ancient piece of archeotech recovered from a space hulk :p
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If they were unpainted I would offer them up to someone to cast up and preserve for BFG community.. I guess I could paint strip them of their black undercoat.
The paint won't be any hindrance for moulding, however like you say being metal they can easily be stripped.
Honestly though other than nostalgia I don't see any point in recasting them. IMO they're inferior to any of the production BFG parts and look more akin to Space Fleet. I suppose the prow is interesting for something different.
But I don't know how GW's IP works if they were un-released models?
Technically they fall under the same laws as any other sculpts, production or not. But I'm sure nobody would complain if a few copies were shared by friends.
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If they were unpainted I would offer them up to someone to cast up and preserve for BFG community.. I guess I could paint strip them of their black undercoat.
The paint won't be any hindrance for moulding, however like you say being metal they can easily be stripped.
Honestly though other than nostalgia I don't see any point in recasting them. IMO they're inferior to any of the production BFG parts and look more akin to Space Fleet. I suppose the prow is interesting for something different.
But I don't know how GW's IP works if they were un-released models?
Technically they fall under the same laws as any other sculpts, production or not. But I'm sure nobody would complain if a few copies were shared by friends.
I think you are right re look. I have always wanted to do a fleet based off the old Spacefleet ships. Currently I have 4 of the old Emperors, 3 of the old Dominators and 2 of the old Tyrants. Was nt sure which officail BFG stats I should use for these (I have seen the alternative stats in Warp Rift).
But I have always thought these prows would be nice on a BB/GC which would give me a nice mix of ships along with the aforementioned Spacefleet ships. I would just need some suitable escorts.
And re demand for them- yes you are right- a few copies between friends would not go amiss.
PM reply sent.
Thanks
James
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But I have always thought these prows would be nice on a BB/GC which would give me a nice mix of ships along with the aforementioned Spacefleet ships. I would just need some suitable escorts.
You know I thought about it some more and I think the prow and broadside battery pieces would be great for converting a BB into an ancient, venerable vessel. The other weird cannon pieces IMO don't belong in BFG at all...
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Agreed. The batteries and prow are the main points of interest for me.
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The cannons remind me of the grand cruisers in looks, might have something there, espically if your looking to use the prow for a gc project.
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But I have always thought these prows would be nice on a BB/GC which would give me a nice mix of ships along with the aforementioned Spacefleet ships. I would just need some suitable escorts.
You know I thought about it some more and I think the prow and broadside battery pieces would be great for converting a BB into an ancient, venerable vessel. The other weird cannon pieces IMO don't belong in BFG at all...
I was wondering if they would suit something similar to your lovely Black Ship kit. The only problem I saw is the height- the batterries are taller than the standard plastic WB.
Cheers
James
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I think resizing is possible.
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I think resizing is possible.
Praise the de-bigulator!
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But I don't know how GW's IP works if they were un-released models?
Technically they fall under the same laws as any other sculpts, production or not. But I'm sure nobody would complain if a few copies were shared by friends.
Actualy the main question for these would be if they are clearly marked as GW, or if they at anytime where identified as such in a publication or other public venue of identification. Other then that the only IP claim that could be made was on the iconografy of the bow as it is similar to the actualy TRADEMARKED models.
Most of the IP claims that GW actualy makes are on the "name"use and imagery...
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The only epic bit I can find on that ship is the superstructure which is from the epic chaos line.
I instantly recognise the big gun piece as a cut-down main battery from a plastic Imperator Titan.
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You know, it looks almost like a 3up for one of those old space fleet ships. Did they do that back then?