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Specialist Games General Discussion => Modeling & painting => Topic started by: AndrewChristlieb on November 01, 2011, 07:31:50 PM
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;Dfinally getting around to stripping and repainting an old retribution i picked up.
(https://lh4.googleusercontent.com/-TQvaFETJhPQ/TrBGSPVbwrI/AAAAAAAAAE8/F797tXogJh8/s720/IMG00086-20111101-0934.jpg)
it appears to be complete, I dont notice any missing parts
(https://lh3.googleusercontent.com/-WvsnFgs3Sqg/TrBGPXWVEjI/AAAAAAAAAE0/Ak-VB4PHnSc/s720/IMG00088-20111101-0935.jpg)
Paint has just been globed on it tho ??? not too noticeable are the ridiclous amounts of glue >:( it also appears to have been improperly stored, evidenced by the bent spires :'(
(https://lh6.googleusercontent.com/-_-a1l5x84xU/TrBGSg7zzMI/AAAAAAAAAFE/TzFxUas6dVk/s720/IMG00089-20111101-0935.jpg)
im guessing this has been repainted a few times without being stripped also from the red under some of the parts ::)
at any rate this should keep me busy for a while ::) still havent figured out what im going to do with this either as ive never been much of a fan of the retribution rules...
*edit* omg... What a pain in the rear! I have it about 90% stripped now including all the resin, there were at least 4 layers that I saw along with boat loads of glue ::). The model was never stripped of flash and none of the parts were sanded to fit flush ::) hence all the glue I suppose. Anyway its like 1:30 I'm going to soak it overnight and try to get the rest cleaned off tomorrow, then the unenviable task of colors... :D
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FWIW, I use isopropyl alcohol, 91%. I find that this loosens the acrylic paint and softens two-part epoxy glue. It has no effect on super glue, though. I generally let the figures that I am stripping soak for at least 24 hours.
Good luck!
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Thanks! Ive been using simple green for plastics and nail polish remover for metal . Im a big fan of the remover because it strips resin and superglue off of the bits also, but I must try this isopropyl alcohol what effect does it have on resin?
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Isopropyl alcohol will not react at all with plastic or resin. I've been using isopropyl alcohol to strip plastic figures for years.
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I've accidentally stripped paint off a laptop with iso. Plastic underneath was fine, paint wasn't though. :P
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Well its stripped, took a while mostly because of the 3 or 4 layers of goop that I had to dig through. ::)
(https://lh5.googleusercontent.com/-hKprZ5k3C10/TrqTstuA41I/AAAAAAAAAIY/m1S2Siiwcdk/s720/IMG00114-20111109-0849.jpg)
The only really bad damage to the model. It looks like something hit itmaybe? At any rate theres a large gouge that cuts one of the turrets almost completely off and scars up the "wing" a bit.
Now just to figure out a color scheme for it as I dont see this being a part of any of my current fleets. I've worked up a Firestorm just playing around with red and a blue/black scheme... looks kinda plain tho :-\.
(https://lh5.googleusercontent.com/-dIuwxvjV8RY/TrqBeqZsS8I/AAAAAAAAAHg/vjuWmBSWisE/s720/IMG00110-20111108-2327.jpg)
(https://lh6.googleusercontent.com/-naaPzOjy1pQ/TrqBep-l4lI/AAAAAAAAAHc/UaeZ82bn6fc/s720/IMG00109-20111108-2327.jpg)
(https://lh3.googleusercontent.com/-nsTUZpaX-7g/TrqBcl0afeI/AAAAAAAAAHE/wo-VFJ3-140/s720/IMG00107-20111108-2326.jpg)
(https://lh6.googleusercontent.com/-kD18G4GZS1w/TrqBbkC1tXI/AAAAAAAAAHI/JWxYdiR7uvk/s720/IMG00106-20111108-2326.jpg)
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Try picking out some of the detail with blue/black. Or even white or yellow if you want to brigthen it up.
Did you wash the red? That will bring out the detail also.
I like the prow. I think the ship needs an echo of the colors on the prow further back on the ship.
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Thanks ill try some more blue/black, It is washed, straight red/water then a heavy wash of red w/ a hint of black then highlights in a pinkish color.
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Try a wash that is a mix of red and dark brown. The details will pop out.
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Yup liking it alot more with some other detailing done, added more "metal" detailing and highlighted some large surfaces with the blue/black. Also painted on more "lights" yellow on the tops/sides and a pastel green on the bottom.
(https://lh5.googleusercontent.com/-qqCUrkR1s4k/TrrV7-JT1zI/AAAAAAAAAK8/USt0j7WniKw/s720/IMG00130-20111109-1334.jpg)
(https://lh5.googleusercontent.com/-AX0I0daUGOA/TrrV67ZDwiI/AAAAAAAAAKs/7KUOOBcFUsE/s720/IMG00129-20111109-1334.jpg)
(https://lh3.googleusercontent.com/-_aUhohtMvSA/TrrRr3xpvCI/AAAAAAAAAJY/u3-cMx-31Jo/s720/IMG00120-20111109-1313.jpg)
(https://lh5.googleusercontent.com/-fMHKXPOrK24/TrrV5oOYEFI/AAAAAAAAAKc/DB_G-FgraCE/s720/IMG00128-20111109-1334.jpg)
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hum Ive got a half dozen firestorms to paint so ill try the dark brown/red mix on the next one I tackle, I want to have this down pat on the smaller ships before I try hitting that battleship as its going to be painted in pieces (theyre a pain to paint assembled). The reasl problem is finding time... I work too much ::).
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That totally rocks! It looks awesome!
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Hey thanks for that! My wife is on the edge about this tho :-\. She's not sure what she doesn't like, but she does say the red/yellow reminds her of mcdonalds ::).
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lol on mcdonalds...
Good start.
The red only/black prow was perhaps to bland but now it seems a bit colour heavy. It'll be less noticable on a larger ship I think.
Some sharp highlights recommended.
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Yes, I beleive that with a bit more direction on the rest of them it should look much better. The problem I have most with this first one is that Its not cohesive, going in and repainting areas did not do it justice :-\.
(http://cf.geekdo-images.com/images/pic218642_t.jpg)
I retract my previous statements reguarding the "mcdonaldsness" of the firestorm.
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Been a while so I thought id post up an overlord that ive been working on to complement the retribution and to show the red/brown wash, which btw Im liking much more than the red/black thanks BlackEd! Not quite done yet im still trying to figure out what I want to do with the engines as ive never been fond of the plastic imps deep recesses and I still have some blending to do.
(https://lh6.googleusercontent.com/---5eXz6Xo-8/TtRtQr_fmfI/AAAAAAAAAL8/h-ZMOzq76jk/s720/IMG00140-20111128-2324.jpg)
Prow on, switched to blue for lighting instead of yellow
(https://lh3.googleusercontent.com/-TkUNJ-3O15U/TtRtNU6xN5I/AAAAAAAAALc/I_c4LotHPXM/s720/IMG00138-20111128-2323.jpg)
Close up on the bridge, decided on making the "dome" like a giant glass cap instead of the more traditional metal after reading some rt.
(https://lh6.googleusercontent.com/-U9-Uw-UUX5E/TtRtPf68jHI/AAAAAAAAALs/1VVBrbw_jTQ/s720/IMG00137-20111128-2323.jpg)
Rear view, I think tomorrow the search for tiny dowel begins ::)
(https://lh4.googleusercontent.com/-V7DbRnbGk5E/TtRtRU9299I/AAAAAAAAAME/5kmZGkgkdf0/s720/IMG00141-20111128-2324.jpg)
Prow shot, must... buy.... better..... camera The brown wash really came out well on the prow/fins/bridge areas that I highlighted in the brighter red, the main hull was painted black w/ white highlights then washed red then again red/brown, engines and weapons are grey w/highlights and then a very light brown wash to dirty them up the lights are blue over white with a light wash of dark blue to highlight areas of reflection... still on the edge about this as Ive only ever done this on tanks, but I kinda like the purplish effect on the red hull
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Added a bit more highlighting with light blue to brighten the"light" up and show the "dome" overpowering the natural light a bit more.
(https://lh4.googleusercontent.com/-gNVw76DKSDk/TtT_VPjPAfI/AAAAAAAAAMc/N9ug5UdfBfg/s720/IMG00142-20111129-0944.jpg)
I filled in the rescesses a bit with some copper wire and painted up the engines in my typical blue "warship" colors.
I really like the way it came out and I think the bulk of this fleet will be painted for table top in this fashion, now just to finish those firestorms and find some turrets for the battleship...
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The ships are looking good! I'm glad the red/brown is working for you.
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Thanks Blacked.
Three more done! only two more to figure out ;D
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White prow and banding, need to blend the wash a bit still and cut down some of the blue in the rear.
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Red prow and black, my favorite of the batch so far.
(https://lh4.googleusercontent.com/-FXGpktpnOxs/TvD36zsoTJI/AAAAAAAAAP4/xl8y6MscJIE/s912/IMG00149-20111220-1457.jpg)
Grey prow with red banding per my wife ;) need to cut the blue down a lot in the rear on this one.
(https://lh4.googleusercontent.com/-OHJ20tZ8RDs/TvD3-NMvC6I/AAAAAAAAAQM/GsDIc2-zDXE/s912/IMG00146-20111220-1456.jpg)
(https://lh6.googleusercontent.com/-fR8at50c-Pc/TvD3-s-7ABI/AAAAAAAAAQU/fUUoE3o2rXw/s912/IMG00145-20111220-1455.jpg)
(https://lh4.googleusercontent.com/-FXlZWu4APsQ/TvD36va1vsI/AAAAAAAAAP0/2WBkAhHbUhE/s912/IMG00147-20111220-1456.jpg)
The right rear had a casting problem with the engines ::) so I painted it as damaged
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Finally finished the Firestorm squadron.
(https://lh6.googleusercontent.com/-ZpqfxxomSX8/Tvul_I2O0NI/AAAAAAAAAQ4/r3p-Zby_D6U/s912/IMG00176-20111228-1712.jpg)
The newest 2, I think the colors on these look good and I like how overall its not as busy as the earlier ones.
(https://lh6.googleusercontent.com/-O-U4cqxW_Xk/TvumB1P_A2I/AAAAAAAAARI/eNz_MCtc09M/s912/IMG00178-20111228-1712.jpg)
(https://lh3.googleusercontent.com/-RZcn0g_B7-U/Tvul_bbKqoI/AAAAAAAAAQ8/aykYg2zsaCY/s912/IMG00177-20111228-1712.jpg)
I cut down a lot of the extra striping on the sides and focused on bringing out the strong red color with just a bit of highlighting on weapons, engines, sensors etc.
(https://lh3.googleusercontent.com/-51lFibeeiV4/TvumCVBeSFI/AAAAAAAAARQ/V5I45uMS17M/s912/IMG00179-20111228-1713.jpg)
(https://lh6.googleusercontent.com/-P7iBmlwmb-k/Tvul-80HizI/AAAAAAAAAQw/sJaPh7gVOtY/s912/IMG00180-20111228-1713.jpg)
I like how these came out, they're clearly from the same squad but each ship has its own personality which is something most escort squadrons seem to fail at what with all of them looking like carbon copies of each other.
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They're looking good!! I like the blue color on the engines. What color did you use?
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Its just blue, I use folk art acrylics, you can pick them up @wal-mart here. I painted them with straight blue then thinned it from the center out with skull white/water with a swirl. I then dry brushed the blue back on to darken the edges and for the "glow" on the metal of the engines.
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Finished with the first Tyrant, its very bright in the photos but not nearly so much so in person :/.
(https://lh3.googleusercontent.com/-tv6nMRkUszs/TxwfcfixMrI/AAAAAAAAARo/kpln_hQD8mU/s912/IMG00285-20120122-0830.jpg) Prow shot, I went with a white scheme that I liked from one of the Firestorms for this ship on the prow and fins.
(https://lh6.googleusercontent.com/-_1aRi7-Ttxk/Txwfck3D1sI/AAAAAAAAARs/3yU9c2rP_Fc/s912/IMG00286-20120122-0830.jpg) Side view, I like how the guns turned out on this one, black with grey highlights. The red received a couple washes of red/brown mix while the engines/Prow and fins received several light washes of brown. This makes the ship look more dirty than old, something I was looking for as at least one of the Tyrants are fairly "new" (at least by 40k standards).
(https://lh5.googleusercontent.com/-PDzxfteVMzc/TxwfboYC1zI/AAAAAAAAARg/6CZsyCQJ-L4/s912/IMG00287-20120122-0831.jpg) Rear view, Terrible picture the engines received the same treatment as all of my ships. I went ahead and filled the engine holes on this one as well, I'm really liking the way that looks.
(https://lh3.googleusercontent.com/-0feD-9zUEBE/TxwfiFju8vI/AAAAAAAAASI/epHpMBbKOnw/s912/IMG00290-20120122-0832.jpg) A bit of the fleet coming together.
(https://lh3.googleusercontent.com/-4y2VGw_UiRo/TxwfhpaogrI/AAAAAAAAASA/uDN9rwoH4nc/s912/IMG00289-20120122-0831.jpg) Another fleet shot.
(https://lh3.googleusercontent.com/-UHx7-fYId38/Txwfio6caZI/AAAAAAAAASQ/cmEzOQoP2p8/s912/IMG00291-20120122-0832.jpg) Tyrant and the Overlord, I'm going to go back and cut down the "halo" effect on the Overlord after seeing them together. I really liked this at first but it is way too much, this ship looks more blue than red with that on it.
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I took some body in white shots of the Carnage I'm working on for the fleet :D. This has a prow Aquila added from milliput and the bridge has a winged skull and dome added. The paint had some weird cottage cheese look once it was dried tho :( weird. I really need to get around to putting the Retribution together too ::).
(https://lh6.googleusercontent.com/-T-W_Ntrl3Ro/TyhCHXloIqI/AAAAAAAAATo/jUv6b-T_fsk/s912/IMG00293-20120131-1309.jpg)
Prow on shot of the Carnage with Aquila and a winged skull over the bridge, not too sure about the skull, it may be a bit big :/ but so far I like it :D.
(https://lh6.googleusercontent.com/-wEb7sjmW3Es/TyjebxDCYGI/AAAAAAAAAUA/_JBBaMRSEv4/s912/IMG00310-20120201-0033.jpg)
Painted
(https://lh4.googleusercontent.com/-RlgoApLCVBI/TyhCBIhT2MI/AAAAAAAAASo/4-JT1YRRmXE/s912/IMG00294-20120131-1309.jpg)
(https://lh6.googleusercontent.com/-i7h9jKeanS4/TyjekRHocxI/AAAAAAAAAVY/0-qKfkJI6zA/s912/IMG00320-20120201-0035.jpg)
Side view.
(https://lh4.googleusercontent.com/-DmqJs6rLsKE/TyhCBPc_GiI/AAAAAAAAAS0/zevEkwOreT4/s912/IMG00295-20120131-1309.jpg)
(https://lh5.googleusercontent.com/-jP8HeD4V_D8/TyjegVyvYDI/AAAAAAAAAUk/vQnoOqY8G10/s912/IMG00313-20120201-0034.jpg)
From the rear.
(https://lh6.googleusercontent.com/-JtdOUXWxu6M/TyhCBoCPkxI/AAAAAAAAAS4/M0-bOO63Vp0/s912/IMG00298-20120131-1310.jpg)
(https://lh5.googleusercontent.com/-DMLoKLVOnA4/Tyjei9ody3I/AAAAAAAAAVA/RrD-sMoLX4k/s912/IMG00316-20120201-0034.jpg)
Close up on the bridge, skull pressed from a backpack decoration.
(https://lh4.googleusercontent.com/-DpoE_3jN3Ro/TyhCDAHfZeI/AAAAAAAAATE/p8eww6wdQK8/s912/IMG00299-20120131-1310.jpg)
(https://lh4.googleusercontent.com/-MupFD3IjL_I/TyjeidO65zI/AAAAAAAAAU4/251DwI91Dnk/s912/IMG00317-20120201-0034.jpg)
Another shot of the bridge.
(https://lh3.googleusercontent.com/-UW8Ve9baJEE/TyhCEUWRChI/AAAAAAAAATM/qHbPCRMRfl4/s912/IMG00305-20120131-1311.jpg)
(https://lh6.googleusercontent.com/-LBLCoh4wNKE/TyjejBxtsQI/AAAAAAAAAVE/sP7XJ8EZlAs/s912/IMG00318-20120201-0034.jpg)
Overhead on the Aquila.
(https://lh6.googleusercontent.com/-p6y2YZ6Ild0/TyhCGE_JsrI/AAAAAAAAATU/XTYWfmpngw0/s912/IMG00308-20120131-1312.jpg)
(https://lh5.googleusercontent.com/-2lsRKxcp7h4/TyhCG3L1MSI/AAAAAAAAATg/R3ZyZAgFey4/s912/IMG00309-20120131-1312.jpg)
(https://lh6.googleusercontent.com/-UlJiaw9OvaU/TyjejttrJdI/AAAAAAAAAVM/3wCaK9p8Kb8/s912/IMG00319-20120201-0035.jpg)
Another prow view.
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The paint had some weird cottage cheese look once it was dried tho :( weird.
Probably the can of primer was cold, there's too much moisture in the air when you sprayed, or you held it too far from the model when spraying and the paint dried in the air. Also make sure you are using a quality primer as well.
I really like what you are doing here with this model and I will guarentee that the texture is going to piss you off everytime you look at the damn model in the future. I suggest you drop her in some stripper and start fresh. I've picked up ore than a few horribly painted chaos cruisers in my time and stripped them for repainting. I personally use Castrol's Super Clean but any comparable degreaser should do the trick. Do NOT leave it in the degreaser more than 24 hours though otherwise you'll probably find the plastic degrading. Clean with an old toothbrush.
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I'm using krylon which has worked well in the past for me, it might have been cold tho, its probably about 60f here. I think I'm going to roll with it and see how it looks painted, I can always strip it later if need be but after a water rinse it smoothed out a bit and the texture might work well for an aged effect.
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And the new Carnage with the Overlord it will be partnered with.
(https://lh3.googleusercontent.com/-FWfksMXrYX4/Tyjen9DHIII/AAAAAAAAAV0/UufvL_th1iY/s912/IMG00323-20120201-0036.jpg)
(https://lh4.googleusercontent.com/-NFpUsgBohSY/Tyjent4RUFI/AAAAAAAAAVo/NgWse7G-L0o/s912/IMG00322-20120201-0036.jpg)
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The second Tyrant, hopefully I'll be done with the last one tomorrow or the next day I'm ready to paint something different :P.
(https://lh3.googleusercontent.com/-phVikvm-oVg/T1U9EtHHnnI/AAAAAAAAAW0/V11WsaTt-CY/s912/IMG00371-20120305-1422.jpg)
(https://lh5.googleusercontent.com/-E2PBQbOpTMg/T1U9EiBtobI/AAAAAAAAAWw/INu1tA4Oe9s/s912/IMG00372-20120305-1422.jpg)
(https://lh5.googleusercontent.com/-1_sCFIj2NNk/T1U9Hzs8ciI/AAAAAAAAAXI/nLqhV4Gf-5k/s912/IMG00374-20120305-1617.jpg)
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So I'm getting started on putting the Retribution back together :).
(https://lh4.googleusercontent.com/-gkMN_cV_E1o/T2icY30Yc4I/AAAAAAAAAX4/FmTvdbBq8z4/s912/IMG00392-20120320-0757.jpg)
As you can see from this picture GW's casting abilities are good as ever ::)!
(https://lh6.googleusercontent.com/-iu9pglps_j4/T2icbP0VLJI/AAAAAAAAAYA/zpDSAVLfXN0/s912/IMG00393-20120320-0810.jpg)
After a significant amount of filing I have the fit as tight as I can get it without removing so much material that the weapons wont fit :o.
(https://lh5.googleusercontent.com/-4vmDpp1MQ8U/T2icbhoWIqI/AAAAAAAAAYI/7bZXdmJOFN4/s912/IMG00394-20120320-0853.jpg)
Filled the stand hole with Milliput to prep it for the correct sized hole.
(https://lh3.googleusercontent.com/-a-WKpIY__eM/T2icf4xPiUI/AAAAAAAAAYg/efDUByyewaw/s912/IMG00396-20120320-0907.jpg)
The new hole, formed by pressing the skinny end of a flying base stand (minus the fiddly bit that always breaks ::)) into the Milliput.
(https://lh4.googleusercontent.com/-NveljfVju_Y/T2icewNw8MI/AAAAAAAAAYY/ox9_Tl3SjXg/s912/IMG00397-20120320-0945.jpg)
The base attached to the main hull, notice in the next few pictures the additional Milliput required to fill the approximately 1.5mm (1/16" give or take) gap >:(.
(https://lh4.googleusercontent.com/-mvSqwSDXG2s/T2icgmSJQgI/AAAAAAAAAYo/pbootfPXy9Q/s912/IMG00398-20120320-0945.jpg)
(https://lh3.googleusercontent.com/-yAzBTb_evUg/T2icjn8YWcI/AAAAAAAAAY4/p3r2ft8IEL4/s912/IMG00400-20120320-0946.jpg)
(https://lh4.googleusercontent.com/-nJNH4aT50bM/T2ich2FIKZI/AAAAAAAAAYw/gtbRw6xTT0g/s912/IMG00399-20120320-0946.jpg)
In this last one you can see the small gaps filled between the 2 pieces of the main hull.
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Nice fleet! I would like to see the group together when the time comes. I personally would consider a wash or watered down wash over the models, maybe a watered down black. But, that's me and I wash everything. I am glad to see some more Firestorm action around here.
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Thanks, I've got to get around and finish painting the retribution still I've been doing it in pieces in order to get behind all the overhanging bits. Once that's done I'll put up a few pics of what I have done, I still have a tyrant the vengeance and two groups of cobras to finish out the two thousand. Almost all of these have been washed with reddish brown a few of the firestorms were washed black and the red on the carnage is all washes to get the shiny smooth look. Is the contrast lacking on them? I know the bright ones are very bright and that's a bit off putting. Maybe u should try a thin ink on them hum....
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I just think the drybrush look could be blended in a little more with some wash. I like everything overall, especially the chaos cruiser with the conversions. Maybe it is just the red imperial cruiser that could use some contrast. Anywho, can't wait to see the whole fleet together then it's done. I am thinking back to the nightmare of building my Emperor battleship. It was pretty rough.
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i see from the pictures of the retribution parts, i have quite alot missing from the emperor class i got off e-bay, ah well, i did pretty much rob the guy and he said some bits were missing
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Thats never good, which bits are you missing? Someone may have some spares.
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all the bridge, engine and rudders
basically most of the back, i have however managed the use various spare bits (gonna use green stuff too) to make the engines and some form of bridge
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I might have some spare
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well, i have a complete retribution bridge, with the figrue on top spare, if you need one.... ;)
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ooo intruiging (i have no idea how to spell that), the bridge, engines and figure i've managed to do with spares i've got. its the rudders that i'm having a problem with