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Specialist Games General Discussion => Modeling & painting => [WM] a tale of warmaster painters => Topic started by: BlackEd on January 10, 2012, 02:16:03 AM
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A day or so late, but here are my pictures. I finshed a samurai unit!
In case any of you reading this decide to paint Samurai, take this tip to heart: Put the back banners on *before* you paint the figures. Friday night I realized that I hadn't put them on. I spent a few hours cleaning the banners, and drilling drilling holes in the backs of the Samurai. On Saturday I discovered that 5 min epoxy makes the process of gluing the banners in place almost impossible. Super glue was the way to go.
I'm working on a second Samurai unit, and I will stop here to put the back banners (sashimono) on NOW.
That said, I wasn't really happy with this unit. Blue and yellow ochre colors. The banners originally were bleached bone with ultramarine blue stripes, but that just looked stupid. I went for blue background and yellow ochre symbol. I like this better.
I added some Samurai archers to the unit, because the Samurai have 1 ranged attack. I wanted something to remind me to actually use the shooting option.
If you look really carefully, you will not see any Samurai apes in this unit.
(http://i346.photobucket.com/albums/p435/BlackTemplarDad/Black%20Templar/Warmaster/DSC_0006-3.jpg)
(http://i346.photobucket.com/albums/p435/BlackTemplarDad/Black%20Templar/Warmaster/DSC_0007-3.jpg)
And here is everything I have painted so far:
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(http://i346.photobucket.com/albums/p435/BlackTemplarDad/Black%20Templar/Warmaster/DSC_0008-4.jpg)
(http://i346.photobucket.com/albums/p435/BlackTemplarDad/Black%20Templar/Warmaster/DSC_0009-4.jpg)
I hope you like!
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wow that army is spectacular, full of bright colour and really really nice!!
I notice you add some samurai with naginata in your last unit. I like the figure attitude but I do not like how the naginata is sculpted, it is more likely to be holding a type of alphange or something :).
Love your Fu dogs
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Those look very cool, Ed!
Are you going to use these on the 21st?
Tristan
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JChaos: Thanks for the compliments! As for the samurai with naginata, I don't like the naginata either. To me it looks more like a sword. But I wanted to see what the unit would look like with multiple models on it.
Tristan: Thanks for the kind words! No, I will be playing Daemons on the 21st. But I will bring these with me in case you want to see them in person.
I'm painting this army up to get a friend mosre interested in Warmaster. Well, OK, I think the army list is rather cool myself.
At some point I need to work on a General or some other hero.
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Good work!
What is the maker? Irregular?
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Edmund2011: Thanks! The miniatures are from Pendraken. The Temple Dogs (Fu Dogs) are from Reaper.
JChaos: That is SAM6 from the Pendraken catalog. Maybe he looks different because he's in the crowd.
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Another Samurai Unit:
(http://i346.photobucket.com/albums/p435/BlackTemplarDad/Black%20Templar/Warmaster/DSC_0002-2.jpg)
(http://i346.photobucket.com/albums/p435/BlackTemplarDad/Black%20Templar/Warmaster/DSC_0005-1-2.jpg)
(http://i346.photobucket.com/albums/p435/BlackTemplarDad/Black%20Templar/Warmaster/DSC_0006-4.jpg)
I'm working on a character stand next. I'm converting a Samurai and an Archer to create a character and standard bearer on one base.
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Very nice looking army! Only the bases I think could still use some attention but I guess thats comming isnt it? :)
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Yep, bases will get flocked later. I'm just trying to keep up, and do 1 unit (or character) a week!
I will post some pictures tonight -- Hopefully you all will like what you see.
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Here is the first hero for my Nippon army:
(http://i346.photobucket.com/albums/p435/BlackTemplarDad/Black%20Templar/Warmaster/DSC_0009-5.jpg)
(http://i346.photobucket.com/albums/p435/BlackTemplarDad/Black%20Templar/Warmaster/DSC_0007-4.jpg)
(http://i346.photobucket.com/albums/p435/BlackTemplarDad/Black%20Templar/Warmaster/DSC_0008-5.jpg)
The Hero is a converted Samurai Ape from Pendraken. I cut the arm from the shoulder, and bent the arm down so that the Naginata was level, making it almost look like he's gesturing with his weapon. Another conversion in the background. A Samurai Ape archer had the bow cut away and replaced with a banner. The kneeling and fist-to-chest position shows proper respect for his lord's honour.
No flocking was (yet) harmed in making this character stand.
The hero has a yellow face and ears. Samurai would often wear masks into battle, and this leader is doing the same. As a bit of humour, the cresents are painted as bananas, and the cresents on the banners are pretty close to bananas themselves. You could say I went bananas when I did the heraldry for this one.
I do not know Kanji, so I apologize if I've put offensive words on the banners. (Who knew there was a glyph for "Your mama is so ugly..."?)
I'm drawing from this resource as inspiration for colour choices and banners:
http://forums.samurai-archives.com/viewtopic.php?p=41560&sid=e28d92dafe433fa48f99259b324c7cbb
At some point, I will use the above webpages to come up with different sashimono (back banners) for my Samurai. There are some pretty interesting sashimono that were used.
I'm not following any house or clan, but am using color choices or banners that catch my eye. I am not (yet) a big Samurai fan, as I am doing this to pull a friend of mine more firmly into Warmaster (and he is a Samurai fan).
Hope you like!
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the pic seems to be missing...
EDIT: Ah, he's in the other thread. 8) Looks good!
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Yep, pic was missing, not sure why.
It was late, I was tired, and I didn't check.
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nice convertions, and painting!
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Thanks! :D
I'm still working on the General. I'll take a WIP picture tonight.
I am making a diorama for the general. He'll be sitting on a dias, with some screens behind him. He'll have two guards, and a commander standing on the steps. I'm also adding in two odaiko drums, so his orders can be broadcast to the army.
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Well, its been more than a few days, but I am finally able to post more pictures. These will be WIP shots, as the General's stand is taking a bit longer than expected.
I started on a unit of Samurai cavalry. I took the photos while everything was on the painting table, so you'll get to see some chaos in the background. Here is the WIP of the cavalry:
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(http://i346.photobucket.com/albums/p435/BlackTemplarDad/Black%20Templar/Warmaster/DSC_0151.jpg)
But now for the reason you tuned in. Here is the general's dias:
(http://i346.photobucket.com/albums/p435/BlackTemplarDad/Black%20Templar/Warmaster/DSC_0156.jpg)
The general will be seated on the top most square. Here he is, with two guards:
(http://i346.photobucket.com/albums/p435/BlackTemplarDad/Black%20Templar/Warmaster/DSC_0153.jpg)
Here are the taiko drums that were driving me nuts:
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(http://i346.photobucket.com/albums/p435/BlackTemplarDad/Black%20Templar/Warmaster/DSC_0176.jpg)
Here are a few arrangements of the drums on the base with the dias:
(http://i346.photobucket.com/albums/p435/BlackTemplarDad/Black%20Templar/Warmaster/DSC_0181.jpg)
(http://i346.photobucket.com/albums/p435/BlackTemplarDad/Black%20Templar/Warmaster/ZZDSC_0001.jpg)
(http://i346.photobucket.com/albums/p435/BlackTemplarDad/Black%20Templar/Warmaster/zzDSC_0003.jpg)
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Here is the tutorial for attaching the sashimono to the figures. First, make or purchase the sashimono. I bought quite a few from Pendraken, two of which are shown here:
(http://i346.photobucket.com/albums/p435/BlackTemplarDad/Black%20Templar/Warmaster/DSC_0164.jpg)
Both have been cleaned up, but the one on the left is already bent at the end so that is can be attached. The other shows that the banner pole is straight until I bend it.
The first step is to mark where on the back you want to make the hole that the pole will fit into. I use a pointy sculpting tool to create a mark where I am going to dril. This keeps the tip of the drill bit in place during the initial few turns to establish the hole.
(http://i346.photobucket.com/albums/p435/BlackTemplarDad/Black%20Templar/Warmaster/DSC_0162.jpg)
Once you mark the surface, you can start drilling. Here I'm using a pin vise and a very tiny drill bit. This bit comes from a "Drill Index, 61-80". The cover says Huot, St. paul, USA. Here I am drilling away:
(http://i346.photobucket.com/albums/p435/BlackTemplarDad/Black%20Templar/Warmaster/DSC_0163.jpg)
So now that the monkey have holes for the banners, here's how I bend the banner poles to fit into the hole. The next photo shows that my pliers are smooth. I think I found these in the craft store in the beading aisle.
(http://i346.photobucket.com/albums/p435/BlackTemplarDad/Black%20Templar/Warmaster/DSC_0166.jpg)
Next, I grab just the tip of the banner pole, then slowly bend the end 90 degrees:
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(http://i346.photobucket.com/albums/p435/BlackTemplarDad/Black%20Templar/Warmaster/DSC_0168.jpg)
Next step is to test fit on the gorillas. I have shave a bit off the back of the helmets. Once that's done, I use a drop of super glue, then press the hooked end of the banner hole into the hole. I hold the banner in place about 5 seconds to let the super glue cure.
(http://i346.photobucket.com/albums/p435/BlackTemplarDad/Black%20Templar/Warmaster/DSC_0177.jpg)
(http://i346.photobucket.com/albums/p435/BlackTemplarDad/Black%20Templar/Warmaster/DSC_0175.jpg)
(http://i346.photobucket.com/albums/p435/BlackTemplarDad/Black%20Templar/Warmaster/DSC_0174.jpg)
(http://i346.photobucket.com/albums/p435/BlackTemplarDad/Black%20Templar/Warmaster/DSC_0173.jpg)
So there you have it! I hope this helped clarify how I attach the back banners to the miniatures. It really isn't such a long process. I tend to clear up all the sashimono ahead of time and bend the tips if the banner poles. Then I drill all the holes. The the actual gluing in place seems to fly by.
Maybe next time I will think enough ahead so that I primes the figure with the back banner on it!
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Looks like a solid start. Those are some hugh drums tho!!! They look like diesel gravity tanks :P.
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They are big! But bigger ones exist, so these aren't so outrageous!
Thanks for looking!
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Wow very nice work, I wouldnt have the patience for such conversion! :)
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Thanks Guthwine. I'm not 100% happy with the drums, but I'm going with them anyway.
I don't think I envisioned all this when I started. I just wanted a dias for the general to sit on, and it sorta grew from there. Some one else had put taiko drums on the base with the general, and I thought it was a great idea. I went for larger drums -- they are my favorite at the taiko performances.
It is a struggle between wanting it done and making it look really interesting. I keep thinking I am almost done when a new wrinkle comes up. Now I want to re-sculpt arms on two drummers so that they look like they are playing the drums instead of shouldering a farming implement.
This will be one of my entries for the Pendraken painting competition as well.
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wow it is awesome the tutorial, but it involves a lot of work for each miniature! 24 - 30 of them for a unit... 10-15 unit for a small army... wow
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I'm finding that individually based figures in general seem to take more time to go from bare metal to completed unit. Here are the steps:
Clean the figures -- remove flash, file underside of bases flat.
Glue figures to popsicle sticks
Wait for glue to dry (if whie glue is used)
Prime figures
Paint figures (this is the fun part!)
Remove figures from popsicle sticks - may require additional sanding of underside of the bases
Plan where the figures go on the bases
Glue Figures to the bases
Level the ground between bases -- green stuff or sand/white glue mix
Paint the levelled areas between bases
Flock bases
Spray seal Gloss
Spray Seal matte
I really dislike having to mount and then dismount the figures from the popsicle sticks. I've seen posts in which people claim that you can use superglue, and then the figures 'pop' off the popsicle stick when you flex the stick. In my experience (so far), this is unreliable and often results in splinters still glued to the underside of the bases. Which then need to be removed.
And I feel compelled to say this: While I hate GW's prices, they have the best 10mm figures I've seen thus far. The figures are (almost) all well sculpted, the details are crisp, and the the metal used resists bending.
However, the Pendraken figures are inexpensive and reasonably well made. And the quality of their ranges keeps improving, especially the Fantasy line after they buy a new sculpt from me. ;)
I hope to be able to afford to check out some stuff from TLB and others this year.
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A quick update:
The heros got flocked:
(http://i346.photobucket.com/albums/p435/BlackTemplarDad/Black%20Templar/Warmaster/DSC_0070.jpg)
(http://i346.photobucket.com/albums/p435/BlackTemplarDad/Black%20Templar/Warmaster/DSC_0068.jpg)
(http://i346.photobucket.com/albums/p435/BlackTemplarDad/Black%20Templar/Warmaster/DSC_0069.jpg)
The general stand waddles toward completion:
(http://i346.photobucket.com/albums/p435/BlackTemplarDad/Black%20Templar/Warmaster/DSC_0056.jpg)
(http://i346.photobucket.com/albums/p435/BlackTemplarDad/Black%20Templar/Warmaster/DSC_0025.jpg)
(http://i346.photobucket.com/albums/p435/BlackTemplarDad/Black%20Templar/Warmaster/DSC_0026-1.jpg)
(http://i346.photobucket.com/albums/p435/BlackTemplarDad/Black%20Templar/Warmaster/DSC_0027-1.jpg)
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Wow that is really AWESOME!
I do not glue figures to the bases, I use blue-tak to stick them, then paint and remove it. It is very quick and blue takk could be reused until it loss its sticky properties (and takes a long period of time).
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JChaos: Thanks for the encouragement. I was inspired to spend another hour painting the general and finishing the bodyguards. I'll snap another picture on Monday so you can see the progress. I actually have Monday off from work, so I hope extra painting happens.
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Cool scenery for the general looking forward to see it painted.
Also I love the flocked bases very striking and makes a great contrast! (if that makes sense. :D )
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Thanks for the kind words. I'm posting new pictures of mySamurai hero. You may notice it looks a litle nicer now:
(http://i346.photobucket.com/albums/p435/BlackTemplarDad/Black%20Templar/Warmaster/DSC_0028-3.jpg)(http://i346.photobucket.com/albums/p435/BlackTemplarDad/Black%20Templar/Warmaster/DSC_0027-2.jpg)(http://i346.photobucket.com/albums/p435/BlackTemplarDad/Black%20Templar/Warmaster/DSC_0026-2.jpg)
(http://i346.photobucket.com/albums/p435/BlackTemplarDad/Black%20Templar/Warmaster/DSC_0025-1.jpg)(http://i346.photobucket.com/albums/p435/BlackTemplarDad/Black%20Templar/Warmaster/DSC_0024-2.jpg)(http://i346.photobucket.com/albums/p435/BlackTemplarDad/Black%20Templar/Warmaster/DSC_0029-2.jpg)
I'm posting three of these to the Pendraken competition.
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More Updates!
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(http://i346.photobucket.com/albums/p435/BlackTemplarDad/Black%20Templar/Warmaster/DSC_0037.jpg)(http://i346.photobucket.com/albums/p435/BlackTemplarDad/Black%20Templar/Warmaster/DSC_0038-1.jpg)
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So as you can see, the bases are flocked! 8)
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Great stuff.
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Time for more WIP shots of the general:
(http://i346.photobucket.com/albums/p435/BlackTemplarDad/Black%20Templar/Warmaster/DSC_0030-3.jpg)
(http://i346.photobucket.com/albums/p435/BlackTemplarDad/Black%20Templar/Warmaster/DSC_0029-3.jpg)
(http://i346.photobucket.com/albums/p435/BlackTemplarDad/Black%20Templar/Warmaster/DSC_0028-4.jpg)
(http://i346.photobucket.com/albums/p435/BlackTemplarDad/Black%20Templar/Warmaster/DSC_0027-3.jpg)
(http://i346.photobucket.com/albums/p435/BlackTemplarDad/Black%20Templar/Warmaster/DSC_0026-3.jpg)
As you can see, I'm making good progress. I will have this finished this weekend!
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That wood grain is amazing.
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Wow! your Nippon army is brilliant, i really love it.
I like the way you've got your units with individual colours, they stand out well. They'll look even better as an army
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I finished assembling the general's stand this morning. The last figure was put in place.
Tonight when I get home, I will flock the stand. And then I will take a picture!
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looking forward to see that marvellous!
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It is finished! Hooray!
(http://i346.photobucket.com/albums/p435/BlackTemplarDad/Black%20Templar/Warmaster/DSC_0053-2.jpg)
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Congratulation for your award in Paint Pendraken competition 2012!! The judges has made justice!
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Thanks! I was hoping for first place, but second place isn't too bad! ;)
Now I just have to decide what to spend my prize money on!
Speaking of which...
In one of your threads, I noticed that you painted up some Viet Cong. I am looking for something from the Pendraken range to fit in as fanatic monks, and I thought the Viet Cong might do (with some modifications). Do you still remember what the product codes were for each of the models?
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I need to search a little bit in the pendraken orders and could point to you the references. Do not know what look like what are you searching for... but, there are a reference of civilians that could be interesting (you now... without AK-47).
There a set of Eureka of oriental characters that could be very nice for your army (I now is fantasy chinese.. but ... if you are not too purist they are oriental at the end).
Irregular has a wonderful range of japanse warriors (I love irregular) could be a little slimmy but they have force with the poses and a pretty good detail. I belive they have warriors monks. The figure of the irregular warrior monk is paint converted in a "beduin" in one of my iman characters post in my threat (the one with the naginata converted in a lance beside the imam). And also irregular cavalry are better than pendraken IMHO
hope it helps
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I'm looking for figures that are wearing a cone hat, and no armour. Ideally they would have robes, but that can be added or altered. I just revisited your painting thread, but I didn't see the pictures that I thought were there. Perhaps I saw them on the Pendraken forum.
I'll check out Irregular, and see what they have.
Thanks!
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The viets are in the page 14 of jchaoswarmasterproyects. I need to start up the 10mm catalogue... but need some time to do it. Then I will try to upload some pictures of civilians (who had the cone hat). But I did not paint them yet
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I looked at your photo thread on the Pendraken minaitures forum. Some of the Viet Cong might work. I think I could fairly easily convert some rifles into naginata shafts.
Thanks for your help!
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OK, so I found out that I was being stupid in not considering the other miniatures in the Pendraken range. I think I can convert some of the peasants with bows and with arquebuses to monks. I still want to consider some of the Viet Cong from Pendraken's Viet Nam range.
I have an image in my head of figures in the conical straw hats weilding naginatas in a variety of poses.
My contributions this month toward the Nippon army have been almost non-existent, due to some 1:1 scale projects I have going on. I'm getting a house ready for the market, so I've been doing some conversion work on the interior, and looking for a paint scheme that appeals to middle class Americans. It's also partly a terrain making project, as the yard is getting a make over.
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Neutrals!!! Light beige egg shell etc... people love that. Bright colors and white are turn offs for the majority of buyers.
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And now for something completely different.
I was cleaning/organizing the mess known as my painting bench when I came across some figures I picked up years ago as Warmaster projects. So I decided to finish one up. Behold, the great Daemon Engine of Khorne (counts as a daemon beast):
(http://i346.photobucket.com/albums/p435/BlackTemplarDad/Black%20Templar/Warmaster/DSC_0004-3.jpg)
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As you can see, this monster needs some back up to fill out the rest of the unit. I don't know when that will happen, but I am pretty happy with this guy. The glowing runes were fun to do.
Aside from the 1:1 scale project I've been working on -- and will continue to work on -- I have been experimenting with resin casting. Here are some photos from that endevor. I want Tomb Kings related terrain, so when I found this bendy-plastic toy Sphinx, I decided to upgrade it and cast more. Here is the original body sitting on the mold I made, with three castings in the fore ground:
(http://i346.photobucket.com/albums/p435/BlackTemplarDad/Black%20Templar/Warmaster/DSC_0001-1.jpg)
As you can see I chopped off the head. For 2 reasons: I am replacing the face of the Sphinx, and I wanted to make a 1 piece mold of the body. When I use this mold, I plug up the neck hole, then turn it upside down. The resin is poured into the mold, forming a puddle of resin. I read somewhere that this kind of casting, where all the detail is on one side, is called puddle casting. I started with these 1 piece molds because I wanted to start simple. I figured that 2 part molds would come later. Here is a shot of some Templar crosses. I made the original from greenstuff, then made a one-piece mold. Now when I have extra resin, I make a cross or two:
(http://i346.photobucket.com/albums/p435/BlackTemplarDad/Black%20Templar/Warmaster/DSC_0013-3.jpg)
A while back, I sculpted these little dudes up for a Pendraken sculpting competition. I like them, so I will attempt to mold and cast these little ones up. They are 10mm, and were originally to be chariot crew for my Cthulu daemon army's chariots:
(http://i346.photobucket.com/albums/p435/BlackTemplarDad/Black%20Templar/Warmaster/DSC_0012-3.jpg)
(http://i346.photobucket.com/albums/p435/BlackTemplarDad/Black%20Templar/Warmaster/DSC_0011-4.jpg)
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(http://i346.photobucket.com/albums/p435/BlackTemplarDad/Black%20Templar/Warmaster/DSC_0009-6.jpg)
And last, here is the Tomb Guard unit that I was hoping to finish over the weekend. These are a mix of Pendraken Anubis troops with sword and Pharoah's undead tomb guard figures. I'm happy with how they are coming out and can't wait to finish them!
(http://i346.photobucket.com/albums/p435/BlackTemplarDad/Black%20Templar/Warmaster/DSC_0006-5.jpg)
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I've been a busy boy!
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Ed,
base the beast sideways ? Will it fit on one stand then (as in fall between the outline of the base ?)
Where DID you get it ?
Are there more ? So you could create a unit of 3 different beasts ??
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I like that chaos beast, very cool. I'd imagine it as a Chaos Dwarf creation (like the Hellcannon) - it might look cool to have a bunch of Chaos Dwarves trying to restrain it with chains.
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It is a metal D&D Chainmail miniature. It is 88360, Pulverizer. Look on the Lost Minis Wiki.
It's arms really do spread almost 60mm wide.
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Really nice indeed all fresh air of imagination!
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That Chainmail line has quite a few models that would work great with WM. The Felldrakes and Abyssals spring to mind, and the Pulverizer works too. Looks good Ed. I like the Anubis.