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Battlefleet Gothic => [BFG] Discussion => Topic started by: Seahawk on April 24, 2012, 07:16:02 PM
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Ahh, all is said and done and a champion has been crowned for 2012.
All told there were 10 players, including a ringer: 3 Imperial Navy, 3 Chaos, 1 Orks, 1 Craftworld Eldar, 1 Tyranids, and 1 Space Marine (me!). 7 of the 16 didn't show up, which was rude. Oh well!
There were three scenarios: Fleet Engagement, Secure the Artifacts (original), and Deny the the Spoils (original).
Additionally, there were five sub-mission cards, of which you would could choose up to two to complete each game, with no repeats: Head of the Snake, Attrition, Breakthrough, Commerce Raiders, and Preservation of Fleet Strength.
Lastly, you get a bonus point each round for successfully navigating the Warp Rift.
Now, as you read the following summaries of each game, keep in mind that I played two short games the weekend before this, but otherwise haven't played for two years. That's a long time without one of my favorite games evar! Just wish more people around here played :-\.
My fleet, the Ultramarines, Space Marine Dominion Fleet list from the 2010 Compendium (gooo, fluffy list!):
Seditio Opprimere - Master of the Fleet, 1 Reroll
3 Strike Cruisers - extra shield (squadroned)
3 Strike Cruisers - extra shield, extra bombardment cannon (squadroned)
6 Transports
2 Escort Carriers
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Game 1 vs The Ringer
Emperor - Ld9 fleet commander, 1 or 2 rerolls
2 Gothics
1 Lunars
2 Dauntless's
5 Swords
5 Cobras
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I chose Wedge and he chose Cross, so we set up like the lanes of traffic. I had the battle barge in the middle, with the carrier cruisers to my right and bombardment cruisers to my left. The Escort carriers took up position behind them, while my transports hugged my table edge in the middle. I chose the Head of the Snake (cripple/destroy flagship) and Attrition (destroy enemy fleet) as my sub missions. He set up the Emperor and a squadroned Gothic and Lunar, as well as the Swords on my right, a squadron of two Cobras and the other Gothic in the middle, and the transports and other 3 Cobras on the left. My leadership rolls were meh, with the cruiser squadrons at a 9 and both transport squadrons at 6. There was plenty of terrain scattered about, so this was going to be interesting.
The first couple turns saw us close the gap. The Cobras on the left went to navigate the warp rift...and never returned. Oops. In the middle, the Gothic cruised straight on down toward me, impacting on shields when I let it have the range. The major action was on the right. By the end of the second turn, I had hulked the Gothic, destroyed most of the Swords, and sent the Lunar into a panicked bracing. A Cobra had also been made into space junk.
The next couple turns saw a concerted boarding action of the three bombardment cruisers against the Emperor...I failed by 1, d'oh! Some more maneuvering and battle saw the other Gothic start to take some hits, and amusingly the last Cobra was destroyed by the combined effort of my transports! He had tried to sink some with some torps, but combined turrets took them all out before they could hurt me.
In the last couple turns, the bombardment cruisers used the planet to quickly swing back around toward the Emperor, who very rudely boarded one of my escort carriers that got in the way. Needless to say it went poof...in return, after having dealt a lot of damage in a couple rounds of shooting, the bombardment cruisers again moved in to board and this time were very successful, destroying the ship. Elsewhere, the rest of my fleet mopped up remaining ships, leaving me with two hulks to claim.
He managed to deal out 6 points of damage total to my ships, but only crippled a single SC. He did take out an escort carrier for points, though.
Result: 1680 VP to 70 VP - Massacre! I also fully achieved my sub missions, acquiring a total of 23 battle points. It's not that he didn't try either, he really did. It just didn't work well for him ;D
Pics:
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Game 2 vs the Plaguefleet of Morbus Cyst
Desolator - Warmaster (8), Mark of Nurgle, 1 Reroll
Repulsive - Chaos Lord (8), Mark of Nurgle, 1 Reroll
2 Murders (squadroned with Repulsive)
2 Devastations (squadroned)
3 Transports
2 Armed Transports
Heavy Transport
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This scenario, called Secure the Artifacts, required you to get your transports within the 20cm gravity well of the planet in the center of the table. Then, if they stayed there until the next friendly movement phase, they landed. For each transport more than your opponent that you land, you get an extra 100 VP. Transports also started the game off the table, moving on during their 2nd turn. I deployed the battle barge in the middle angled toward the right, while the bombardment cruisers were again on my right and the carrier cruisers on the left. He set up his Devastations on the far right and everything else in the middle. For this game I chose Commerce Raiders (destroy transports) and Preservation of Fleet Strength (keep own ships uncrippled).
The first couple turns started off right. The battle barge went AAF to get in close quickly for the following turns, while the other ships cruised forward, with the carrier cruisers swinging left around the planet. On the second turn, a Devastation imploded and the other took only critical hits from the thunderhawks. After that I had air superiority and thunderhawks were sent on non-stop sorties to various targets, dishing out critical hits left and right, especially because he barely shot down any with turrets. Actually, this was a theme throughout the game. I was causing hits and criticals left and right, while he was barely doing much and it made me feel bad, but thems the dice I guess. Still, he did more damage than the ringer, so that's something!
The next couple of turns had me closing in and wrecking more face. He made a ton of brace saves though, minimizing what I could do. My transports came on and rocketed toward the planet, going AAF and being able to get there by the 3rd turn. His fleet swung around the planet and was able to destroy three of them, unfortunately. Still, the other three landed, netting me potential points. My thunderhawks basically destroyed all but his heavy transport stayed intact. I chased, shot, and basically crammed my fleet into the smallest space possible, just like he did. All of that table, and we were playing in eight square inches of it, haha. Except, of course, for the battle barge chasing the devastation around the table, eventually crippling it. Such close quarters led to devastation, as an exploding Murder took the last hit off a strike cruiser, setting it as a blazing hulk. That's okay!
By the end of the game, all but one of my strike cruisers had taken only two damage and the battle barge only one. That was just like an "arg!" moment for him, to have nearly all of my ships only one point away from being crippled and thus worth points.
Result: 782 VP to 220 VP - Minor Victory. I achieved my objectives handily, netting me another 16 battle points. At least I was his only loss that day; he must have made up for the very poor rolling in the next game ;).
Pics:
Opening turns - Imploded Devastation is evident.
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Hiding behind the planet, eek!
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Kraka-booom!
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Pincer move.
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Uh...help!
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Clustered up.
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They have reinforcements!
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I'm a dice.
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Hugs all 'round!
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Game 3 vs Craftworld Eldar
Flame of Asuryan - Prince Yriel, Farseer
Dragonship - Farseer, Prow Weapons Battery, Keel Launch Bays
Wraithship - Prow Pulsar Lance, Keel Launch Bay
Wraithship - Prow Pulsar Lance, Keel Launch Bay
Wraithship - Prow Pulsar Lance, Keel Launch Bay
3 Shadowhunters - Prow Weapons Battery
3 Shadowhunters - Prow Shadow Lance
6 Transports
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This scenario was a bog standard line up and die, with the added bonus of +100 VP for each transport more than your opponent that you destroy. Naturally I pull Eldar, a race that Space Marines struggle against. Not only that, but this monkey didn't bring his rules...sigh...
In the pictures you'll see following, the middle of the table had a warp rift and an asteroid field; since the sun was to my back, I knew these were going to be important for my survival. Thus, I deployed all ships to face it, make for the gap and do my best.
This report will be a bit shorter because there wasn't as much action as the others; he did his best to flit around and deny me VP. Early on, my guns and thunderhawks tore into his flagship, crippling it and causing plenty of criticals. This gave him the following dilemma: limp around and eventually get destroyed, or fly into the warp rift and get destroyed (or get a battle point!). He chose the latter, rolling a mean 9 on those three dice, keeping the darn ship alive and spitting it out 60cm to the rear of my armada and basically far away from everything else. It then disengaged...oh well.
That was basically it. A couple escorts went poof and I lost two strike cruisers, but I did blow away all of his transports and only lost two in return, netting me a cool +400.
Result: 549 VP to 320 VP - Minor Victory. I very much didn't achieve my sub mission (get my transports across the table and off his board edge; it was mathematically impossible). 11 more battle points, to cap off my total at a hefty 50 (the 2nd highest was 41).
Pics:
We make for the gap of...space!
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So...many...bombers!
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Eldar, scattering like cockroaches.
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I go...THIS FAR!!!
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Get back here!
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His transports went poof.
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End game.
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Well done man! I particularly thought your second game was awesome, especially the closer range stuff around the planet. I have tons of video footage I will be editing soon. I will let you know where you can see it when it's done.
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Sweet deal. I'll certainly be entertained by it, at the very least ;).
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Nice.
wtf did the Eldar player do though to squander his flagship vs your ordnance. He had enough at his disposal. Plus hf saves (official rules, right?)
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The sun was at my back, as said. So he ducked in to loose shots and bombers, then the escape path wasn't so good. Four of my SC were able to fire on it, getting a couple crits, including the most important one: holo-fields go poof. Then the hordes of Thunderhawks swept in and neutered it (couldn't make over 45 turns without damage, -1, Ld, couldn't turn past 90, two on engines or something...).
The best part is that my thunderhawks are resilient and his bombers aren't (it's only fighters). I was taking down his AC all over the place and he fluffed a couple reload rolls one turn.
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Do you mind if I repost this to Dark Reign's new BFG forum? Fresh news is the best news.
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Go ahead.
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Thanks much:
http://darkreign40k.com/drjoomla/forum/index.php?topic=5457.0
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The sun was at my back, as said. So he ducked in to loose shots and bombers, then the escape path wasn't so good. Four of my SC were able to fire on it, getting a couple crits, including the most important one: holo-fields go poof. Then the hordes of Thunderhawks swept in and neutered it (couldn't make over 45 turns without damage, -1, Ld, couldn't turn past 90, two on engines or something...).
The best part is that my thunderhawks are resilient and his bombers aren't (it's only fighters). I was taking down his AC all over the place and he fluffed a couple reload rolls one turn.
That's why he should use fighters in these cases. ;)
Good job, though.
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Thanks!
Horizon, you said this:
Red, IN = the Vaaish Imperial fleet build aside of the Endurance. Vaaish uses Dauntless. Interesting to see how this one will fare.
Green, IN = almost classic build.
Orks are gimmickish. Meh on the fleet build style.
CWE: allround, would've had a cruiser instead of escorts
Ultramarines = curious again
Chaos green, red&silver : what is this Murder love? Carnages needed.
Seriously missing a competitve Corsair Eldar and Tau list.
I'm curious...could you expand your thoughts on all of these? You know more than I do about what constitutes a fleet, so hearing more experienced thoughts about each fleet would be very interesting.
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Well, my gripe with the Ork list was that I found it non-fluffy. The Hulk should be either accompinied by a lot of Roks or dozens of escorts and a few kroozers. The new Ork rules from compendium 2010 are a good escort boost. Honest. Good for fluff fleets.
Imperial Navy, classical is just one cruiser from the Gothic List (Gothic, Lunar, Dominator, etc). A good more effective fleet would be: Emperor, 2x Gothic, 2x Dominator (+ Swords). Or else Gothic+Dominator + 2xLunar (squadroned).
A good steamroller for the IN is the core of Retribution + 2 dictators. Dictators are really really good. But in an fleet with an Emperor less needed; on the other hand the official Retribution is a poor choice in my opinion.
Vaaish his build Emperor+2Vengeance as a core is a good example on how to add strengths of several ships and deny the same weakness (prow). A great tandem. His choice for 2 Lunars (NC) is a personal one. Not bad in my opinion. The Dauntless (torps) are a great troubleshooter with good anti-big ship punch.
The fleet was a result from this (great!) thread:
http://www.warseer.com/forums/showthread.php?196900-Imperial-Navy-How-to-win-in-this-atmosphere
For Ultramarines I was just curious on how your build + new marine rules would hold up. The result is known. haha ;)
Chaos, as said. You go all fish or all bird... ahem.
For Chaos you go all broadsid-ish or prow on or focus focus.
Desolator + 2 Acheron + 2 Carnage + 2 Devestation is a great example of a broadside fleet.
A fleet with Hades + 3 murders + Styx + 2 Devestations is a great example of a prow on fleet. with high AC asset.
A fleet with a Slaughter core is rawrzr if applied well.
Daemonships are poo. Taking them to a tournament...
Craftworld Eldar, now that I look back I see launch bays only. Now this is troublesome. As with so many bays (4+4+2+2+2) he had so many resilient fighters to deny your T-Hawks initially... weird.
But I love Eldar torps on wraithships. With the re-roll sixes will show up. Their lances are good.
Fluffwise Shadowhunters only scout ahead and are the last line of defence for a Craftworld. So a fleet operating away from its home world would see no escorts at all. hence I would've added another Wraithship. Plus vampires. And an aspect warrior on the DS.
Curious, how would you handle the Tau Armada winner from previous years (3 Explorers, 2 Heroes, 9 Orcas, 3 Defenders)?
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Depends on the loadouts of the Tau ships. Were the Explorers Mk XXIII or Mk XXIV? Were the Heroes Standard or Tolku?
It also depends on deployment. I'd probably stick to my tried and true tactics of generally staying together for fleet support (ie, within 30cm).
Lastly it depends on terrain. There are 3 asteroid fields, 3 gas clouds, a warp rift, and a large/small planet on each table. I'd use those to my advantage as best as I can.
As for actual combat, I'd send everything I got at the Explorers. Until I deny him his air superiority and/or cripple them, my Thunderhawks will generally stay on CAP like they did in my third game against the Eldar. I'm not terribly worried about Bombers hitting my ships; they were only effective once during that Eldar game; otherwise they pattered off harmlessly. Most likely though I'd come across the Orcas and Heroes first; their lances would hurt, but they're thankfully no better ranged than my guns. I'd send the Thunderhawks after the Orcas since that would be the most efficient way to kill them, then turn my guns on the Heroes. Provided I carry on through with at least half of my cruisers and most of the barge, they'd plow on into the Explorers and smack their lack of shields around.
Of course, approaching a Tau fleet head on doesn't really sound like a good idea, what with nearly everything being able to point straight ahead. I might try to swing in from a flank, or generally present my own until I get within gun range. *shrug* The last time I played Tau was 4 year ago at the last Adepticon BFG tournament I attended, but he had FW Tau and the scenario made me lose all my AC from turn 1 and could never reload them.
As to those fleets...
Orks - Ah. Wouldn't know, but good to know! He has won Best Painted every year since I last played in the tournament (and I won it then), and I might see why. He had his fleet, but also he had like a small bridge diorama that had Orks playing guitars on it. I wonder if he's done something similar for all the other years, as that is kinda rude since there shouldn't be anything else looked at but the fleet (which was painted by somebody else, for that matter).
IN - Also good to know.
SM - Would one say that I was using the 2010 to it's fullest capacity? Most people said my fleet was brutal to face, and the other players scoffed when they heard Table 1 was SM and Eldar; at which point someone said "Hey, they are legitimate fleets!" I'm not sure whether the generally held view is that SM are still suck or if they are top of the line now, or even Eldar/Necron level or something.
Eldar - I would have preferred to see the Torpedoes over the lances; those lances are rough on me ships! Torpedoes at least would still be hitting on 6's, and even rerolled I'd hedge better odds of survival against them. He never launched fighters; I kept mine on CAP to destroy bombers on the way in, and only when the holo-fields finally went out was the time I sent them after his ships.
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The Chaos player explained his Daemonship thoughts to me. He had it mark of slaanesh and warped it in near the enemy bulk to mess up their leadership. It worked a few times.
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I hear that Daemonship + Mark of Slaanesh thing bandied about relatively often, but I've always been skeptical when looking at it on paper. You spend that many points to waste a whole ship on leadership hijinks? Nah.
Hey Seahawk, I had wanted to get in a game against you at the tourney, like you said, Tyranids and SM (especially Ultramarines!) are a classic match up. Reading this thread makes me want to play you even more, it's interesting to see an after-action report from another close-range fleet. We should get a matchup in sometime!
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Eldar - I would have preferred to see the Torpedoes over the lances; those lances are rough on me ships! Torpedoes at least would still be hitting on 6's, and even rerolled I'd hedge better odds of survival against them. He never launched fighters; I kept mine on CAP to destroy bombers on the way in, and only when the holo-fields finally went out was the time I sent them after his ships.
Oh dear. He should've added fighters to his bomber waves. His resilient fighters would be ideal to thwart your cap ac.
Torps + Lances on one ship ;),
Torps would be handy for synergy: bombers+ torps in one turn is turret problems.
Plus if he had vampires he would not have to roll a 6+, but 3+ (2+ with aspect warriors) to hurt you.
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Yea, I was surprised he didn't launch any fighters, but I was more than happy he didn't. My Thunderhawks usually took out two bombers because I kept scoring that resilient roll, and he often rolled 6's when trying to go through the blast markers on my shields, heh. The very first wave of all his ordnance saw a size 4 and size 2 go poof to that, then the other size 4 lost two to Thunderhawks, leaving him with only two waves of 2 that got through and did no damage. Good times!
Mycen, are you northern Illinois local? If so, then we should definitely meet up at the bunker or something. Afterimagedan can take more video! ha.
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A few notes: That first IN player seemed to have some 200 odd points less than you. I calculate 1410 vs 1620. He could've fielded an extra cruiser. Not to mention that he decided to waste 325 pts on escorts. :o The CWE players actions were somewhat baffling as well. If those transports were worth 100 VPs each (basically) I'd have made sure I destroyed them all. I wouldn't have wasted any bombers on your SM ships.
Also, you say the Nurgle player put his CG in squadron with some cruisers? This isn't allowed. CGs can only form squadrons with other CGs (2-3).
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He said he was at 1500 on the dot, so I believed him. He might have had more rerolls or something to make up the points; as the ringer, he didn't have any printed list I could take home. If he didn't, he's only 90 "battlefleet" points behind me. The extra 120 for transport upgrades was a tournament thingy, and he simply didn't want to upgrade anything to keep it simple. Besides, the ringer isn't supposed to dominate (his words).
As for Mr Eldar, he could have only flown at my transports at 10cm a turn, with the transports only going 15 cm a turn; doesn't really make for a quick kill ;). He had also told me that his escorts with the lances were special and hit Ordnance on a 4+...since he didn't have his rules with him and I didn't have them to check either I just went with it with severe doubts. I guess it's true though! He still played wrong though as far as I can tell, because Yriel's flagship is Corsair but the rest of the fleet was Craftworld; the ships from one of the lists should have been in Reserve! Unless it doesn't work like 40k/Fantasy Reserves. Also, he was working under the assumption that his ships had 8 hit points each, and Yriels had 10. UGH. Lessee, how many VP should I have gotten then...640, instead of 549. Meh.
Also, just spotted that rule about grand cruisers.
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I don't think that's true, Seahawk. Uriel's is a CWE vessel.
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Ahh, silly me, looking at GW's ruleset before the 2010 compendium ;)
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I was also really surprised he wasn't escorting his bombers with eldar fighters. That would have helped a lot. Also, bombing the transports would have been a good idea, depending on deployment.
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He was sooooo far away and he was way too slow to actually damage them. To get to the transports he would have had to go straight through my fleet at 10cm a move...not a place for his ships to be at. Basically, putting my fleet through the middle blocked him off. Now, he could have obliterated them all with the crippled Flame of Asuryan with its warp jump...but with it lacking holo-fields and my nearby Escort Carriers loaded and ready to dump bombers back on him, he chose against it.
Escort Carriers ftw!
[edit] D'oh! forgot about the pair of Dauntless cruisers in the first game against the ringer. That makes him at or above points.
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Ringer Fleet
LD 8 Admiral no bonus RR: 50
Emperor BB 365
Gothic: 180
Gothic: 180
Lunar: 180 (fleet list was written as Lunar, Lunar, Gothic but noticed when I got there that I left a transport with some of my IN cruisers in it including most of my lunars)
Dauntless Lance: 110
Dauntless Lance: 110
5 Swords: 175
5 Cobras: 150
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Well that's a healthy amount of lances although that second lunar is probably greatly missed.
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it was.
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He said he was at 1500 on the dot, so I believed him. He might have had more rerolls or something to make up the points; as the ringer, he didn't have any printed list I could take home. If he didn't, he's only 90 "battlefleet" points behind me. The extra 120 for transport upgrades was a tournament thingy, and he simply didn't want to upgrade anything to keep it simple. Besides, the ringer isn't supposed to dominate (his words).
As for Mr Eldar, he could have only flown at my transports at 10cm a turn, with the transports only going 15 cm a turn; doesn't really make for a quick kill ;). He had also told me that his escorts with the lances were special and hit Ordnance on a 4+...since he didn't have his rules with him and I didn't have them to check either I just went with it with severe doubts. I guess it's true though! He still played wrong though as far as I can tell, because Yriel's flagship is Corsair but the rest of the fleet was Craftworld; the ships from one of the lists should have been in Reserve! Unless it doesn't work like 40k/Fantasy Reserves. Also, he was working under the assumption that his ships had 8 hit points each, and Yriels had 10. UGH. Lessee, how many VP should I have gotten then...640, instead of 549. Meh.
Also, just spotted that rule about grand cruisers.
Ah, well I didn't see the 2 Dauntlesses in his fleet list. I thought he just had the 10 escorts, 3 cruisers and 1 BB. I also thought he must've wasted points on a Ld 9 admiral and extra re-rolls to make up the points, but it seems he went with the basic admiral with the 1 included re-roll, no more.
As for the Eldar .... he can move a lot more than 10 cm per turn. Even if he flew in a straight line directly into the sun then it's 20cm per turn, since he has 2 movements. Not to mention that his bombers would easily be able to reach them, with a 40cm per full game turn movement. Besides, who'd fly straight into the sun? Tack into it. Turning 45° off true will allow the Eldar player to get the maximum movement speed. Since this maximum movement speed is usually 25cm this translates into just over 17.5cm forward movement into the sun. In the second movement phase you can tack in the other direction. This gives a total of just over 35cm movement into the sun per turn. He really should have annihilated those transports.
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Remember too, his capital ships would have gone directly through my entire fleet, should he have done that. Not a good place for him to be.
Could he have annihilated the transports? Probably. He was psyched out by all the strike cruisers though. In-game psychology is the best :D
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I wish you guys had mentioned to me that he was short the rules. I could have printed out a set since I had the pdfs on the laptop I had brought with me.
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iBooks, the rules follow me everywhere :D. Seriously tho I'm surprised there's so many people who haven't got the rules when they go to play. I would say next year try to have a binder with the rules you'll be using for each table so something like this doesn't happen again.
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It was his responsibility to have them in the first place and/or to inform you he didn't have them. I didn't know til the 3rd round.
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Hi
Great reports!
I'm new to BFG - so this it noob question - why do you need so many transports (or transports at all)?
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The transports this year were to spice things up as compared to years prior. Normally you don't.
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He said he was at 1500 on the dot, so I believed him. He might have had more rerolls or something to make up the points; as the ringer, he didn't have any printed list I could take home. If he didn't, he's only 90 "battlefleet" points behind me. The extra 120 for transport upgrades was a tournament thingy, and he simply didn't want to upgrade anything to keep it simple. Besides, the ringer isn't supposed to dominate (his words).
As for Mr Eldar, he could have only flown at my transports at 10cm a turn, with the transports only going 15 cm a turn; doesn't really make for a quick kill ;). He had also told me that his escorts with the lances were special and hit Ordnance on a 4+...since he didn't have his rules with him and I didn't have them to check either I just went with it with severe doubts. I guess it's true though! He still played wrong though as far as I can tell, because Yriel's flagship is Corsair but the rest of the fleet was Craftworld; the ships from one of the lists should have been in Reserve! Unless it doesn't work like 40k/Fantasy Reserves. Also, he was working under the assumption that his ships had 8 hit points each, and Yriels had 10. UGH. Lessee, how many VP should I have gotten then...640, instead of 549. Meh.
Also, just spotted that rule about grand cruisers.
Ah, well I didn't see the 2 Dauntlesses in his fleet list. I thought he just had the 10 escorts, 3 cruisers and 1 BB. I also thought he must've wasted points on a Ld 9 admiral and extra re-rolls to make up the points, but it seems he went with the basic admiral with the 1 included re-roll, no more.
As for the Eldar .... he can move a lot more than 10 cm per turn. Even if he flew in a straight line directly into the sun then it's 20cm per turn, since he has 2 movements. Not to mention that his bombers would easily be able to reach them, with a 40cm per full game turn movement. Besides, who'd fly straight into the sun? Tack into it. Turning 45° off true will allow the Eldar player to get the maximum movement speed. Since this maximum movement speed is usually 25cm this translates into just over 17.5cm forward movement into the sun. In the second movement phase you can tack in the other direction. This gives a total of just over 35cm movement into the sun per turn. He really should have annihilated those transports.
Maybe he didn't annihilate them due to bad dice rolls the previous game and he was still haunted by em :)
But more seriously I was surprised he did not wreck those transports when it came to it... I guess some people forget when its the heat of the moment eh?
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I think so. He kept his capital ships in combat with my battle fleet to try and get points there, and only sent his escorts into my transport flotilla.