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Specialist Games General Discussion => Modeling & painting => Topic started by: Evil_and_Chaos on November 13, 2012, 01:27:03 PM
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I made an ogre.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=nR9XAf11rsQ&feature=youtu.be
Any interest in a range of generic ogres in 10mm scale?
If there is I would offer the following deal:
A guess at the prices for that expanded initial range:
Ogre Infantry - 24 Ogres - £12
Ogre Cavalry - 12 Ogres riding woolly Rhinos - £12
Ogre Character Set - 12 Ogre Characters - £8
Ogre Cannoneers - 24 Ogres with Cannons - £14
Armoured Ogre - 24 armoured Ogres - £14
If each of the ten people bought 1 of each of those sets, the total would be £60, plus £6 postage (£9 non-UK).
Can we get ten people to say "yes" to that £60 purchase?
If so I will sculpt those five initial sets.
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Holy cow, it's you!
I worship the amazing forumware I've seen you do for Epic. When I was reading about your Reaver titan from ages ago, you suggested they were entirely personal projects and you didn't part with them, I thought. :-X
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I made an ogre.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=nR9XAf11rsQ&feature=youtu.be
Any interest in a range of generic ogres in 10mm scale?
Cast or 3D print ?
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Stormwind: Woo I'm famous! :-)
Lex: Cast in metal.
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This is almost too exciting for my tiny mind. I've been wondering when (if) the Warmaster community would see the kind of innovation that's been going on in Epic for years. Like Stormwind, I'm a fan!
So, what are the plans (are there plans)? It'd be great to see more Ogre stuff and I'd be happy to support this if it comes to fruition.
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I've always been desperate to get some of your Epic Torminators or Devastationators, but if there was any chance of you bringing that power to an Ogre faction that would blow my mind.
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Interest for new 10mm figures.... always!! :)
I will keep an eye, and if I should be informed of something, please let me know ;)
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So, what are the plans (are there plans)?
Phase 1 - Float the idea, and see if there's enough potential interest.
Phase 2 - Sculpt some initial releases
Phase 3 - If the initial releases sell well, expand the range.
The sculpts would be generic in order to avoid IP transgression issues.
For initial releases, I was thinking that (if enough people show interest) I could afford to have 3 moulds made to test the waters:
1- Ogre Infantry (armed with giant swords or cudgels like my concept sculpt)
2- Ogre Cavalry (riding on big beasts, perhaps woolly rhinoceroses)
3- Ogre Characters set (a few leader/wizard types, and some banner bearers too)
If the initial range did well, I'd probably look to expand with another 5 moulds:
- Ogres carrying large guns or cannons
- Armoured Ogres
- Large cannon or catapult dragged by a woolly rhino
- Woolly Mammoth ridden by an Ogre
- Goblin-type allies
I'd probably look to put them on sale through my Abomination Webstore (http://www.freewebstore.org/abomination/index.aspx?pageid=1322674).
As to prices, I'd guess at something like the following for the initial range:
Ogre Infantry - 24 Ogres - £12
Ogre Cavalry - 12 Ogres riding woolly Rhinos - £12
Ogre Character Set - 12 Ogre Characters - £8
I might be able to do bases too, though that'd push the price up by about 15p per base (so about £1.20 for the Ogre Infantry set, and £0.60 for the Ogre Cavalry and Character sets).
How do those prices sound?
How about my idea for the initial 3 moulds?
Would bases be necessary?
How big of an army would people be interested in collecting?
Any other thoughts or suggestions?
Remember suggestions must be generic and have an independent IP - no models/designs that are unique to GW IP (or indeed any IP) could appear in the range.
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I think the idea is fantastic
I also think the pricing is quite reasonable
Not sure on the bases as you can get laser cut plastic bases on ebay quite cheaply - I would hate tyo see you lose money in this area.
I think that having 3 poses minimum for standard infantry would also be important
If this was in the new year (of course it is) I would be interested.
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I think that having 3 poses minimum for standard infantry would also be important
Absolutely; I was thinking of doing 6 poses of standard infantry.
Not sure on the bases as you can get laser cut plastic bases on ebay quite cheaply - I would hate tyo see you lose money in this area.
I'd be quite happy not to do bases and just leave that up to the customer. :-)
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If you were to add in the Ogres with guns and the armoured ones you'd have done enough to get people to commit to buying an army but without those two units those of us without skill/time to sculpt wouldn't be able to play with the toys until wave two came out so perhaps the sales would be rather damaged by their absence. Personally I'd be tempted to buy a unit or two to have a look but would wait for the range to be complete before buying in any quantity.
Prices sound fine to me, I don't think bases are necessary (generic 20x40mm bases can be found elsewhere).
Would I buy them? It all depends how 'generic' they look (if that makes sense).
In terms of market, the French and Polish forums seem to be rather busier than this one, they might be worth exploring.
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I'd definitely be interested!
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If you were to add in the Ogres with guns and the armoured ones you'd have done enough to get people to commit to buying an army but without those two units those of us without skill/time to sculpt wouldn't be able to play with the toys until wave two came out so perhaps the sales would be rather damaged by their absence. Personally I'd be tempted to buy a unit or two to have a look but would wait for the range to be complete before buying in any quantity.
Mouldmaking and casting models is an expensive business...
If I were to go up to 5 moulds as an initial range I'd need... (quick calculations)... a minimum of ten people, each committing to buy an army of at least 1 of each of the 5 sets. That wouldn't make me break even, but it would mitigate any losses.
A guess at the prices for that expanded initial range:
Ogre Infantry - 24 Ogres - £12
Ogre Cavalry - 12 Ogres riding woolly Rhinos - £12
Ogre Character Set - 12 Ogre Characters - £8
Ogre Cannoneers - 24 Ogres with Cannons - £14
Armoured Ogre - 24 armoured Ogres - £14
If each of the ten people bought 1 of each of those sets, the total would be £60, plus £6 postage (£9 non-UK).
Can we get ten people to say "yes" to that?
If so I will sculpt those five initial sets.
Would I buy them? It all depends how 'generic' they look (if that makes sense).
They'd look pretty similar to the concept sculpt in the video in the first post I made.
Do you like that look?
In terms of market, the French and Polish forums seem to be rather busier than this one, they might be worth exploring.
I'd appreciate a little help from established community members in spreading the word / gaining interest.
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YES... ;)
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Ogre Infantry - 24 Ogres - £12
Ogre Cavalry - 12 Ogres riding woolly Rhinos - £12
Ogre Character Set - 12 Ogre Characters - £8
Ogre Cannoneers - 24 Ogres with Cannons - £14
Armoured Ogre - 24 armoured Ogres - £14
As a quick breakdown..... that is
8 bases of light infantry and 8 of heavy
6 bases of cavalry
8 bases of shooters.
and a load of characters
so with some mixing and mashing you get 2 units of cav, 2 units of "handgunners" and app 6 units of infantry !!
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60 pounds is a good price for what is on offer.
Count me in. I would be buying in the new year however, not this year.
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That's ok, it would take until the new year to get them all sculpted and cast up in any case.
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Nice start.
Please specify - do you make a 3D model and then printing/moulding/casting? Or sculpting with your fingers?
In both cases I would advice to adjust your ogre test model a bit (no offence - this has to be made before moulding).
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I make a 3d model first and cast from that.
The test sculpt is WIP, to find if there's interest. Those who know me know what kind of quality to expect from finished models.
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2nd test sculpt.
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I'm not particularly interested in an ogre army, but I'll buy a set to support this kind of thing.
They look great! Ogres are a good choice because they can be used in several armies of course. If it goes well, it shouldn't be too difficult for you to make chaos variants.
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I'm in, I expect that anyone buying an army would need to invest a little more than the £60 to get a playable 2000 point army so you could likely expect a quicker return. If you PM someone who gets onto the French and Spanish forums you might get more interest too (Vincent and jchaos spring to mind).
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If people wanted to purchase more than the minimum commitment of £60 I'd of course be very grateful.
£60x10 (£600) is simply a number that sits within reach of breaking even on the project (i think the real break even would be more like £800 but I'd be willing to risk it if the first 600 were covered).
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I'm in. I may even buy a second batch if the first one lives up to expectations, upon delivery.
If you did wave 2 I'd definitely be in for one of those too.
I've seen your epic stuff and if the quality is anywhere near as good as that stuff, it'll be great.
Dave
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I'm in....
Just let me know where to send the money and when. And it would probably more than just the basic, initial "commitment".
Are you planning on including standard bearers and muscians in the infantry units and other units? I would hate having to buy multiple Character sets just to get standard bearers.
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:-[ not to clear-headed at the moment, comming down with some alien wurms.... 8) can someone please point E&C to the Ogre Kingdom Army selector (prefereably one that also has some background info ???
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Lex might mean this:
http://wm-selector.appspot.com/army_selector.html?list=ogrekingdoms
Using that, I'd imagine the following would be a fairly common first purchase from your first wave of models (using goblins as Gnoblars until some sort of generic hill goblin might be made):
Warmaster Army Selector
Ogre Kingdoms Army, 1985 points
Warmaster Trial Armies Compendium 2009
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440 - 4 Bull Ogres
220 - 2 Leadbelchers
290 - 2 Ironguts
240 - 8 Gnoblars
500 - 2 Rhinox Riders
125 - 1 Tyrant
80 - 1 Bruiser
90 - 1 Butcher
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1985 - 18/9
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I can't commit for certain, though I'd likely get some in the next 12 months if they became available.
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I'm in....
Just let me know where to send the money and when.
If we reach ten pledges, I'll announce here when they're released. They'll be available through my webstore.
Are you planning on including standard bearers and muscians in the infantry units and other units? I would hate having to buy multiple Character sets just to get standard bearers.
My plan was to have the various banner bearers in the Character set, yes.
This is because otherwise I'd need two moulds for each set (one mould for the standard troops, and one mould for the banner bearers / command group). That'd double my costs and require more like 20 pledges instead of 10!
So the cost efficient way to do it is to have a single "characters & command groups" set that can be used with a variety of different sets.
Assuming 12 characters, a mix like the following:
- Army Commander Ogre
- Commander Ogre
- Wizard Ogre
- Ogre Banner Bearer
- Ogre Banner Bearer
- Ogre Banner Bearer
- Armoured Ogre Banner Bearer
- Armoured Ogre Banner Bearer
- Ogre Cavalry Banner Bearer
- Ogre Cavalry Banner Bearer
- Lesser Goblin Banner Bearer (thinking ahead)
- Lesser Goblin Banner Bearer
How does that mix sound?
1 or 2 sets would provide for most full army compositions I should think?
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In terms of characters, it would be great if a single pack could cope with an average army. So, keeping things to 12, I'd consider
Army Commander Ogre
2 x - Commander Ogre
1 x - Wizard Ogre
4 x - Ogre Banner Bearer
2 x Armoured Ogre Banner Bearer
2 x Ogre Cavalry Banner Bearer
The Hill Goblins could perhaps come on the strip (if you do strips) or could be ignored altogether (they're so insignificant that they might not need one anyway).
That's just my perspective though. Perhaps someone who uses Ogres already might have a better sense of army composition. And, I'm not totally convinced by my logic here, perhaps variety is better and we can buy two packs (in which case the more the merrier and then a firebreathing Ogre would be nice too).
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The Hill Goblins could perhaps come on the strip (if you do strips)
Yup I'll probably do strips for the little guys actually, so no need for extra ones there.
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Different rosters:
1st list
Tyrant
2 Bruisers
Butcher
4 Bull Ogres
2 Leadbelchers
2 Ironguts
2 Rhinox Riders
1 Gorgers - to pursue cavalry etc.
2nd list
Tyrant
Bruiser
Butcher
4 Bull Ogres
2 Leadbelchers
2 Ironguts
2 Rhinox Riders
1 Slave Giant
3 Gnoblars
3d list
Tyrant
2 Bruisers
Butcher
4 Bull Ogres
2 Leadbelchers
2 Ironguts
1 Rhinox Riders
1 Slave Giant
1 Gorgers
3 Gnoblars
BTW - instead of making different standard bearers for each unit type you may make one common bearer with empty banner pole + 3-4 variants of different banner tops.
Here is my Ogre army http://s156.beta.photobucket.com/user/Bel_555/library/Warmaster/Ogre%20Kingdoms
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This would probably my first preference for an Ogre list so models I would look for seem pretty well supplied by Mr E&C:
Warmaster Army Selector
Ogre Kingdoms Army, 1965 points
Warmaster Trial Armies Compendium 2009
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4 Bull Ogres
2 Leadbelchers
4 Ironguts
6 Gnoblars
1 Rhinox Riders
1 Tyrant
1 Bruiser
1 Butcher
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1965 - 17/9
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I've PM'd Vincent to ask if he'll promote this on the French forums, hopefully he will and we might see even more interest in Ogres.
One question - can I ask about timescale (apologies if it's been mentioned). When do you think you'd be likely to release the models (purely so I can start looking forward to it).
Oh, and I'd buy a full 2000 point army (so the basic £60 set plus another pack of Ogres at the very least). I'm also happy to pay the £60 + postage upfront if that helps you out.
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pw's mix looks good, though instead of a dedicated army commander I'd include a mounted commander.
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That's an excellent idea, it's look very 'commanding'.
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One question - can I ask about timescale (apologies if it's been mentioned). When do you think you'd be likely to release the models (purely so I can start looking forward to it).
I'd say January at the soonest. Possibly later - this is a rather large sculpting job, creating an entire army from scratch.
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Next initial sculpt completed : http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Z1n6W0_RaPY
I need to go back and re-work that first fella to up his quality.
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It seems a shame to shoot down the offer of cannons / launcher or big mammoth monsters because they aren't on the army list. =-P
EDIT Accidentally a word
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It seems a shame not to shoot down the offer of cannons / launcher or big mammoth monsters because they aren't on the army list. =-P
These?
- Large cannon or catapult dragged by a woolly rhino
- Woolly Mammoth ridden by an (high commander) Ogre
If wave 1 sells well, I will certainly make these... they're the really fun bits!
I don't really view myself as bound by what's in the Warmaster army list - I'm more looking to make a set of cool Fantasy Ogre models, and I think big creatures like Dragons, Manticores, Mammoths etc. should be part of the Fantasy experience.
Mind you, there's still 2 pledges to go to fund Wave 1, so I won't count any chickens just yet. :-)
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I could imagine the list developing in line with cool models.
Are you able to do a size comparison with other wm figures?
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Are you able to do a size comparison with other wm figures?
See attached:
One picture is a rough comparison for size (I just eyeballed a picture I found on the internet), the second picture is probably more useful, 3 Ogres on a 40mm x 20mm base.
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Cool, thanks. They look really very fine indeed. It looks like they're about the same height/size as the current WM Ogres.
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Let's go for this project! I'm with you. :)
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1 more pledge and I'll do it!
In the Kickstarter tradition here are some "stretch goals":
12 pledges - Strips of Lesser Goblins
14 pledges - Large Cannon & Large Catapult, dragged by Woolly Rhinos.
16 pledges - Monstrous Woolly Mammoth + Ogre Riders (Commander & Wizard rider options)
Only word of mouth will make this happen. :-)
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Changed my vote. ;)
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Honest question about stretch goals... How much extra will those cost, though? :-X
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Ten pledges! It's on!
(http://c0903002.cdn.cloudfiles.rackspacecloud.com/5660-psy_gangnam_style_2_420x250.jpg)
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Honest question about stretch goals... How much extra will those cost, though? :-X
Each mould costs me ~£150 to set up and generate the first set of spins with the company I'll be using.
So two pledges for a total of £120 means that although I won't have broken even, at least if I never sell any more models I won't be making a *huge* loss.
As to the actual cost of the final models themselves for the stretch goals, I'd estimate their sale prices as:
- Lesser Goblins - 10 strips of Lesser Goblins, 2 strips of Lesser Goblins with command group - £10
- Large Cannon & Large Catapult, dragged by Woolly Rhinos - 2 War Machines - £12
- Monstrous Woolly Mammoth + Ogre Riders (Commander & Wizard rider options) - £10
The Goblin strips will be 40mm wide. Could have them small enough to fit 3 deep per 20mm deep base if people prefer (and could modify the pack contents accordingly) ?
The Large Cannon & Large Catapult kits, I'd expect would be quite long, and would fit on an 80mm x 20mm base (two 40mmx20mm bases placed end-to-end), sound ok?
The Monstrous Woolly Mammoth would be big enough that a 40mm x 40mm base (two 40x20 bases side-by-side) would be needed to accommodate it.
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Count me in as having a 5000 point warhammer ogre army I'd like to do the same with warmaster.
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Have you voted MarkyP? If not that takes us ever closer to the happy days of seeing these Ogres.
@E-C - you probably know this already, but this is a fairly quiet forum so you can probably expect more sales to drift in too. I'll tout this around the other forums over the weekend to see if we can't get more sign-ups.
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My mate Jon has told me he is definitely going to buy in, so that's another that will appear in the next week....
Looking forward to this, especially if there are going to be some of the larger monsters that will be suitable for a fantasy ogre army!
Dave
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And we can always come up with an alternative Ogre Selector to match the range ..... it is not as if GW never did that 8)
E&C, the one thing that troubles me at the moment is the belly-shields.... even assuming the line is Hulking Ugly Humanoids Generic, it might still trigger GW fashionistas to call for IP... :o
Could you maybe lean a bit more towards the belts used by the WWF and associated wrestling/boxing troffees ?? JMHO
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I must admit I was going to try and steer him the other way. Scibor and others do some absolutely blatant Space Wolf / Dark Angel / Ultramarine stuff and no one calls them out on it.
The Maw / belly shield imagery is kind of what sells it to me. :-3
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I m with storming on this one, if these end up being unrecognisable as what I will use them to represent then my interest in them falls considerably. The concept work is just close enough for my tastes. The correct look is what makes these attractive I think.
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The shape of the belt is not a handycap for me.
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I'm sure there's a middle ground. An exact copy of someone else's work is wrong. A different design, based on the same sources that the original scupltor took is o.k. though. I agree the final look should be close though. The wrestling belts idea is a good one as it wil enable a very similar, but not identical look.
Don't forget, the way you paint the figures will further customize the final look to be more or less like one particular image or style than another. e.g. if you get a strip of high elf spearment, you can paint them to look like sea guard or like lothern city state spearmen levy.
Dave
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While a fat man with a generic round shield on his tummy is not a legally protectable idea, I also like a bit of variety, so a few other shield types could make an appearance. No updates for a few days as I'm taking a short post-wedding holiday.
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Enjoy your holidays! and... congratulations then!
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The Goblin strips will be 40mm wide. Could have them small enough to fit 3 deep per 20mm deep base if people prefer (and could modify the pack contents accordingly) ?
The Large Cannon & Large Catapult kits, I'd expect would be quite long, and would fit on an 80mm x 20mm base (two 40mmx20mm bases placed end-to-end), sound ok?
The Monstrous Woolly Mammoth would be big enough that a 40mm x 40mm base (two 40x20 bases side-by-side) would be needed to accommodate it.
IIRC Mammoth has to be placed in the base with same dimensions as for Stegadon or Norse war Mammoth ie 60x40mm.
Large Cannon/Scraplauncha - the best way is to make it like a Dwarf Flame cannon (like all artillery units with unit size 1) - the 1st stand with a Rhino (no gaming effect) and a 2nd one with a shooting device.
As for Lesser goblins - probably it would be better to make them like swarms of Rats/Nurglings (square base 37x37mm) - easy to paint, but a challenge for a sculptor. ;)
Best regards.
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Up to 12 now, and I reckon those 8 others will come round once some more WIP shots get shown. = )
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Back from my holiday. I will try to make one guy per evening.
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The guys so far.
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Looking good, you're really working fast.
If there are more to do, how about a club or two? Something like an ironfist would also be cool. I'm also wondering about the shoes, they look a bit chunky in the images (though they probably don't on a 10mm model), I'd also welcome them moving from steel toe caps over to the pointy toecapped slippers but perhaps that's a step too far?
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E&C
Can the fists be made slightly larger? Not sure if it is just me however the non-weapon hands look a little small on ogres 2 & 3.
Otherwise looking good!
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+1 for the fists, I thought it might just be the angle of the pic?
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If there are more to do, how about a club or two?
I'll be doing 6 basic Ogres, so there's 1 more basic guy to come. A club sounds pretty traditional!
Something like an ironfist would also be cool.
A shield/punchy stabby thing on the left fist? Ok.
I'm also wondering about the shoes, they look a bit chunky in the images (though they probably don't on a 10mm model), I'd also welcome them moving from steel toe caps over to the pointy toecapped slippers but perhaps that's a step too far?
Pointy toecaps look silly IMO. I wouldn't worry about them looking chunky in the photo - the final prints will look fine in real life.
Can the fists be made slightly larger? Not sure if it is just me however the non-weapon hands look a little small on ogres 2 & 3.
It's not just you - those two are a bit too small and I'll biggerise them.
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First post. I've a fair collection of Warmaster, including some units from Kallistra, which are a little on the large side for my taste.
Question for Evil_and_Chaos:
Have you considered a range of miniatures covering items that GW, Copplestone and Eureka don't do. I particularly like the Eureka range as it adds nicely to the potential of Warmaster. Chaos Dwarves and Halflings, what's not to like? Copplestone - good generic human and orcy units.
I'm thinking a few sets of Halflings (archers, hand weapons, pony cavalry, etc.), Hobgoblin infantry (archers, hand weapons, etc,), various mercenarys, etc. As you are doing 5 or 6 basic sets for an Ogre army as a single production run, could you also do a run of 5 or 6 units of other races/army types to expand on the options for those armies currently commercially available?
Perhaps you could even do some generic artillery, for buyers to add their own crews to as well?
Edit - and I love my status "Lurker" ;D
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As you are doing 5 or 6 basic sets for an Ogre army as a single production run, could you also do a run of 5 or 6 units of other races/army types to expand on the options for those armies currently commercially available?
I could do, but as with this project, I'd need 10-12 pledges of £60 orders in order to have confidence in going ahead with it.
I'm not actually sure there are many big gaps in the 10mm scale fantasy market left comparable to the lack of Ogre archetypes.
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Fair enough. Just a thought. Although if you could identify a gap and your manufacturer wants 6 sets for a production run and you can only think of 5, maybe the gap filler could fill the gap. As it were...
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I don't actually have to do production runs of 6 sets at a time, I could do as low as 2-3 and have it still financially workable.
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Six basic ogres.
I'll make some sort of punchy/stabby hand armour for their left hands next.
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I am happy with these and am alreading getting money together for an order. ;)
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Me too, they look very fine.
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Sorry for the delay in updates, I had a big contract job on which took priority.
Made some punchy shield type dealies for the gang's left hands.
Next up, Ogres carrying Cannons!
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Cool, are those fist things optional or built in (I'm not sure if they look better with or without). Either way these Ogres look good though.
Any new stuff to show us?
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These are looking more and more exciting! =D
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These do look really impressive.
How does the process actually work? How similar to the computer model will the final products be?
(and on a side note, do you still sell any of the stuff you made for Epic?)
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Apparently I'm in, according to my mate Dave.
I concur, I'm in.
Jon
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Sorry for the monumental delay. Apparently I have to work for a living or something.
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These do look really impressive.
How does the process actually work? How similar to the computer model will the final products be?
I'm going to order the first test prints soon, so you'll see in a few weeks I'd say.
(and on a side note, do you still sell any of the stuff you made for Epic?)
Anything I have for sale can be found in my webstores, Abomination (http://www.freewebstore.org/abomination/index.aspx?pageid=1322674) and Troublemaker Games (http://www.mydreamstores.com/shop/troublemakergames/).
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Are you the modeller of troublemaker Games?
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They look great!
Are you the modeller of troublemaker Games?
I think thats his brother but E&C will surely correct me if Im wrong. :)
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Troublemaker Games is a jointly-owned project by myself and my brother. We share the sculpting about equally.
INFODUMP ALERT:
Our game Timeline 300 (http://www.mydreamstores.com/shop/troublemakergames/product_info.php?cPath=34_39&products_id=74) is a 10mm scale Steampunk wargame with a unique resource-management aspect to the gameplay, which I'd highly encourage everyone to try out, so that Mrs. Chaos and Baby Chaos can continue to eat. :-)
£50 tends to be enough to buy a full sized army for Timeline 300***, which we reckon is pretty reasonable compared to the other 10mm scifi companies out there.
***For example the £46 sample German army in the "collecting Timeline 300" doc on the website contains 9x tanks, 3x mining machines, 9x static gun turrets, and 120x infantry models (& 24 plastic bases) .
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:o have my respect Evil n Chaos.
There is a catalogue around here, you (or anyone around here) could put images, to advertise or show the figures. Very useful to make conversions or help to choose what to buy or to see examples of different basing and painting schemes.
http://www.forum.specialist-arms.com/index.php?topic=4118.15
http://www.forum.specialist-arms.com/index.php?board=63.0
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so that Mrs. Chaos and Baby Chaos can continue to eat. :-)
I would be happy to help out even with my meagre scraps, but my magic beans are only tradable for Big Fat little men. ;)
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I'm ordering the printing of the first two sets of models today (6 ogres, and 6 ogre cannoneers).
If I'm happy with them in real life I'll get them moulded up in metal whilst I work on the next batch.
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Please post a pic of them as soon as they arrive - it's really exciting seeing your stuff come to life!
I feel I missed out on the mini boom of forumware epic stuff. :-X
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Excellent, I'm glad to see you're back and look forward to honouring my commitment to buy when they are ready. :)
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Physicals have landed.
It's really hard to get a good photo of the translucent masters, but I'm happy enough with these to send them off to the casters.
They should be released in 4-6 weeks.
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Looking really good!
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Whilst waiting for Batch 1 to be cast up, I've started sculpting Batch 2.
Woolly Rhino Rider
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These are great - I look forward to using them to crush the chivalry of Brettonia!
Dave
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There's something about that Rhino that makes it (in my eyes) look ok but not brilliant, I think it's because the figure lacks aggression/movement. Perhaps it's the long wooly hair? Or does it look a little long? I'd be tempted (had I any skills) to give it higher 'shoulders' to show off its power and to bling up the rider so that he looks a little more fearsome.
I hope you'll take this as constructive criticism, which is how it is intended. I'd be happy enough about playing with these but I'm not sure that the standard is up there with the Ogres you've shown so far.
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I only just noticed this, awesome work!!! I'm in 100%..
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I've ordered a test print of the woolly rhino rider so I can evaluate it in real life before progressing further on it.
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I'm with PW on this.
If the Rhino's head was down, the horn pointed forward, the shoulders visible, and the fur blown back by the breeze, then it would show motion and aggression.
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Whilst waiting for Batch 1 to be cast up, I've started sculpting Batch 2.
Woolly Rhino Rider
It's quite static and the rider doesn't seem to ride, he seems to be ready to fall as soon as the rhino runs. ^^
You could perhaps give it a bigger saddle?
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Physicals have landed.
It's really hard to get a good photo of the translucent masters, but I'm happy enough with these to send them off to the casters.
They should be released in 4-6 weeks.
Hey E&C, any news from the caster on how close these are to being made available?
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First two sets should be available around the end of the month.
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How many of the undecided people might move over to committing now, I wonder. :-X
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First two sets should be available around the end of the month.
Awesome stuff, looking forward to buying some!!!
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How many of the undecided people might move over to committing now, I wonder. :-X
Participation at this point will certainly decide how quickly the rest of the project goes. :-)
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Excellent, I'm looking forward to placing my order already! :)
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There's some sort of production issue delaying the Ogre Warriors, but the Ogre Cannoneers are now available.
http://www.freewebstore.org/Abomination/Ogre_Cannoneers/p1322681_9383023.aspx
Updates on the Warriors as and when I can get them.
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That's good to see. I'll wait for the other ogres to be ready so that I can order them in one go.
Out of interest, are you imagining these going 4 per base (for 3 units if they're used for WM)?
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Thanks for the update! At first I thought is was 14 GBP for 6 figures. Then I saw you listed 24 figures for 14GBP. Much better!
I'm in North America, so I too will wait until all units are available to save on shipping charges.
I really excited to see these!
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Out of interest, are you imagining these going 4 per base (for 3 units if they're used for WM)?
3 or 4 per base would look fine if using WM-sized bases I expect.
Thanks for the update! At first I thought is was 14 GBP for 6 figures. Then I saw you listed 24 figures for 14GBP. Much better!
Heh yes.
For reference, here are the intended prices for the sets, which I posted back on page 1:
Ogre Infantry - 24 Ogres - £12
Ogre Cavalry - 12 Ogres riding woolly Rhinos - £12
Ogre Character Set - 12 Ogre Characters - £8
Ogre Cannoneers - 24 Ogres with Cannons - £14
Armoured Ogre - 24 armoured Ogres - £14
Plus:
Lesser Goblins - Pricing TBD
Wooly Rhino pulling large cannon or catapult - Pricing TBD
Monstrous Woolly Mammoth + Ogre Riders (Commander & Wizard rider options) - Pricing TBD
Thanks for the update! At first I thought is was 14 GBP for 6 figures. Then I saw you listed 24 figures for
I'm in North America, so I too will wait until all units are available to save on shipping charges.
It'll take a long time for me to be able to afford to make all 8 kits if everyone waits until all 8 have been released before making their purchases.
It would go easier if I release the sets in small batches, and can put the money from sales of those sets towards production of the next sets in line.
IE: If I get some sales of Cannoneers & Warriors (when they arrive with me) now, then we'll get the Ogre Cavalry and Armoured Ogres in production in 2 months instead of 4 months.
Likewise, the Characters & Lesser Goblins would happen in 4 months instead of 8 months, etc.
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I'll get the cannoneer ogres and regular ogres at the same time- that shouldn't be too long a delay, should it?
And just to check- it's 9 pounds postage to anywhere outside of the UK?
Is it possible to pay for the ogres currently available, but to delay shipping (and shipping charges) until the 8 units are out? (this isn't purely due to my being cheap- my postal address will be less certain soon)
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I'll get the cannoneer ogres and regular ogres at the same time- that shouldn't be too long a delay, should it?
Hopefully they'll be out soon. But my caster is being extremely unreliable (I'm changing caster soon in fact because they're so slow) so who knows.
And just to check- it's 9 pounds postage to anywhere outside of the UK?
Should be set to 15% for non-UK orders, and 10% for UK orders. I'll fix that.
Is it possible to pay for the ogres currently available, but to delay shipping (and shipping charges) until the 8 units are out? (this isn't purely due to my being cheap- my postal address will be less certain soon)
If you prefer that I'm sure we can work something out.
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I'm happy to buy in 'waves', I'll het my order in as soon as the other two units hit the store. :)
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I'd expect the Warriors to be available in the next couple of weeks.
The Woolly Rhino riders - well I need to resculpt them! :-)
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As soon as I see the first lot up for sale, I'll buy.
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Update: assuming the casts are ok, I'd expect them on sale by Tuesday.
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Good news (I am assuming you mean the warriors?)
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Great news. For those of us who have already committed to buy. Are you going to do a 'boxed set' - buy the lot in one go army deal of wave 1 kind of offer or would you rather we buy the blisters as and when they are released?
Dave
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Good news (I am assuming you mean the warriors?)
yep warriors.
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Great news. For those of us who have already committed to buy. Are you going to do a 'boxed set' - buy the lot in one go army deal of wave 1 kind of offer or would you rather we buy the blisters as and when they are released?
Dave
As I release them would allow me to snowball sales takings from each batch to fund the mouldings on the next.
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As soon as Warriors are released you'll have an order from France. :)
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Having some issues with the caster, may have to get them cast elsewhere.
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Any news? ;D
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E&C: I will be ordering soon. I just found out that one of my wife's colleagues will be travelling from Germany to the USA.
To anyone else in the USA that wants Evil and Chaos's Ogres: Tell me how many units you want. I'll order them. Once the units get here, I can send them out to you. That way we can all avoid the dreaded international postage.
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Ooh the might be interested column has crept up to 14. :-X
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Still having issues with casters. Eta within 2 weeks currently.
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I'll buy whatever's up once you have the warriors up.
Any news?
Dave
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Any news for the warriors or still having trouble with the casters? :-X
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OK I finally voted YES to this as I would love to see it comes to pass and I should have some Paypal money left over after buying up Kislev.
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I've had a look at your Timeline 300 stuff, after seeing it mentioned here... I like the concept, the idea, but not a huge fan of the models you have available. I'm just not feeling the steam part of steampunk from it. Am I the only one feeling this or...?
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+1 vote to make this happen!
I am in and hope more races will follow!
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I am in, but would like to order a complete force at once. Is that possible?
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Any updates E+C?
Is this project still ongoing?
Dave
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The GW Secret IPolice must have him......
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Just put an order in for some cannoneers. :)
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Wicked, would love to see some pics, Aquahog. =)
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I'll put a review up on my blog tonight then. Stay tuned.
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Ask and you shall receive (http://diceatdawn.blogspot.com/2013/11/review-ogre-cannoneers-by-abomination.html). I'm afraid that the pictures aren't much better than on the webstore. It'll be a while before I get round to painting them. Working my way through a couple of BoFA sets first in hope of being able to play that game, and sell a few painted miniatures before the movies run out. :)
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Thanks, they look fab! I really hope E&C in future gets the time / inclination to continue as his work is just so excellent overall.
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I might get booed off the forum for this, but E&C: excitedly waiting for my Defeat in Detail vehicles, but I still think you guys need to know a bit about anatomy before sculpting figures.
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Hi there , you have my interest , are there any figures in production yet ?.
personally I would have prefered a more mercenary look with odd bits of armour , equipment , with maybe empire look . GW type in 28mm only reducing it to 10mm . Or similar to wm ogers but less flat .
would like to see more , stunning work .
Stuart
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Unfortunately only the Leadbelchers have been modelled and released in his webstore.
Right now E&C has been pouring himself into the Defeat in Detail kickstarter program for Epic making IG and Ork proxies in plastic and metal - along now with Adeptus Mechanicus.
Only 10mm crowdfunder at the minute is the Evil Men one here:
http://www.indiegogo.com/projects/evil-men-fantasy-10mm-miniatures
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Checked the store , could not find anything .
Stuart
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Hello,
http://www.freewebstore.org/Abomination/Ogre_Cannoneers/p1322681_9383023.aspx
Is it these you're looking for? =-3
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Yep theey be the ones , many thanks for that .
Stuart
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Ogre Fighters are now out.
http://www.freewebstore.org/Abomination/Ogre_Fighters/p1322681_11835677.aspx
Sorry it's taken so long guys, we had to swap casting company as the first one we used was terrible and ruined the master models, necessitating re-castings.
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Thanks for the update Evil and Chaos!
These guys look excellent- I'll be placing an order for these and the Cannoneers tomorrow
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Yikes! How had they managed to destroy the masters?
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Oh wow! Thanks for the update E&C! I thought it was strange that the cannoneers were up but not the fighters!
Will you continue in this project or are you sticking to Epic proxies for now?
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Characters and cavalry will certainly follow if the sales of the first two sets are good now.
The first caster destroyed the masters by being terrible people, and they should feel bad for being terrible.
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OK, but I'm only aiming for a 2000 point army to start with so I can only justify buying £56, 2 of each packet, to begin.
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Anyone home Evil and Chaos? I PM'd you a few days back but no response???
Dave
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He's not been online since December 1st last month.
I think 99% of his free/hobby/modelling time and brainpower is spent on the Epic proxy projects he over sees for Troublemaker games.
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Cheers for the heads up. Its nothing desperate - I'm sure he'll swing on by this forum some time or other soon.
Dave
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AFAIK he doesn't respond to PMs/emails over the weekend... PM him over on taccomms :)
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I finally got to see some of his ogres in person- excellent models. A shame the rest of the range is on hold.