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Battlefleet Gothic => [BFG] Discussion => Topic started by: afterimagedan on January 31, 2013, 12:40:58 AM
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Chaos Marks (all 15pts, on any capitol ship, 1 mark per ship, squadrons may only have 1 type of mark):
-Mark of Tzeentch: (voted on later)
-Mark of Nurgle: +1 hit on that ship.
-Mark of Slaanesh: Enemies within 15cm suffer -1 to their Ld value.
-Mark of Khorne: the ship doubles their boarding value.
-Mark of Chaos Undivided (25pts): May only be taken on a Lord or Warmaster. Once per game, the Lord or Warmaster may expend the Mark of Chaos Undivided and allow the entire fleet to use their leadership value for the rest of the player's turn.
--All Chaos fleets are allowed to take marks of Chaos.
--Squadrons may only have one type of Mark on its ships.
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MoT should not be a LD re-roll.
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MoT should not be a LD re-roll.
What do you think it should be?
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In the original BFG:R the mark of tzeench allows the vessel to re-roll critical results, both against it and that it inflicts. That is pretty interesting mechanic, and I would be interested in playing it with that rule.
What do YOU have in mind, Sig?
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I would love to see the re-rolls and Marks properly seperated.
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Hmm, alright, I'm in. Want to switch it over to the previous BFG:R rule Talos pointed out and integrate another RR option with the Chaos admirals and secondary commanders?
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I'm totally down with seperating the rolls, but I'm still not sure what to make a tzeenchian mark? The one I mentioned is pretty good, but I would not mind hearing some community input? ;)
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That MOT is interesing, but seems to me it should cost more that 15pts, especially for the RR of criticals on yourself AND your opponent. One or the other, fair enough, but both I reckon 20/25pts.
If Lords do become separate, what's the thinking? Original rules or make them like veteran captains for IN?
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What if it did not apply to hit & runs? So basically only 1/6 shots would benefit from it (both ways). Too weak?
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I could go with that I suppose, nothing weak about re-rolling crits :)
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I dont know, getting all of the Marks to one price would be nice too and 25pts is a good place.
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Bfg:r as is ain't bad.
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I like the re-roll crits. I think that the BFG:R rule is fine as is. Another option would be to allow a re-roll of dice to inflict critical hits. I.e., if the enemy does, say, 3 damage to a Tzeentch ship and rolls 1, 4 & 6 (scoring 1 crit) then the 6 has to be re-rolled. Likewise if a Tzeentch vessel does 3 damage to another ship and rolls 1, 4 & 6 (scoring 1 crit) then the 1 and 4 can be re-rolled. Just an option. I prefer the BFG:R rules as written.
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Yeah, I was thinking that too Sig. Either reroll to hit crits or reroll the crit results.
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I see what you did there...now Sig is grabbing all the credit and I get cut out entirely! Sons of b**ches! >:( :o
He, just playing' ;D ;)
Let's just do it, straight up! Implement in the vote/make a new vote and we can close this right away.
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Which reroll option though? The reroll the crit result seems really weak for 15 points especially with no H&R reroll. Rerolling crit attempts makes more sense.
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We could do a multiple choice vote like we did for point values, with the options down for everyone to see:
-Option #1: Re-roll all critical chart results if desired, must keep the second result. This includes hit and run results.
-Option #2: Re-roll all critical chart results if desired, must keep the second result. This does not includes hit and run results.
-Option #3: You may re-roll any dice to test for critical damage inflicted by or on this vessel. The results of the second roll stand.
-Hyptothetical Option #4: Whatever else you guys can think of. Maybe It could be a couple of lance hits, similar to the warp beast daemon ship option from Powers of Chaos pdf. Or maybe once a game you can swap the position of a ship with the mark of tzeench with another one. Might be more than 15pts for that, however....maybe they can only swap with other tzeench vessels? Just some thoughts
So how about it? Sound reasonable? (The first three anyway :D)
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One of my first thoughts:
Similar to the Eldar Seer Council the Mark of Tzeentch could provide a "one-time BFI" after damage has been rolled. Just don't know if restricting it to one ship would justify 15pts. (The Seer Council lists as 50pts)
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Idk, I kinda like having one auto pass leadership test.
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I am not a big fan of auto-passing things.
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I am not a big fan of auto-passing things.
Agreed. I like the idea of the Seer Counsel type thing but 50pts for that seems a bit steep.
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I see what you did there...now Sig is grabbing all the credit and I get cut out entirely! Sons of b**ches! >:( :o
He, just playing' ;D ;)
Let's just do it, straight up! Implement in the vote/make a new vote and we can close this right away.
Eh? Weren't you saying to re-roll the result of the crit (as it is now) but to exclude H&R attacks? So, say someone does hull damage to you, rolls a crit and then rolls an 8 result, for example. You could make them re-roll that. I was saying that they would be forced to re-roll the dice that caused a crit. So say you're hit by 3 bombardment cannon shots, 2 of which crit. Those 2 get re-rolled, needing to crit on a 4+ as usual. Any crits would then be rolled normally (no re-roll)