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Battlefleet Gothic => [BFG] Discussion => Topic started by: lordgoober on April 29, 2013, 05:53:27 PM
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Given the comments in the No longer Available in the UK thread, I figured I'd go through the US website and start the depressing count of models.
Chaos Fleet:
Despoiler Battleship: NLA
Desolator Battleship: NLA
Repuslive Grand Cruiser: 1-2 weeks (probably soon to be NLA)
Possessed Chaos Cruisers: NLA
Dark Eldar:
Dark Eldar Cruisers: Not even pictured anymore
Eldar:
Void Stalker: NLA
Shadow Cruiser: NLA
Hellbore Frigates: NLA
Imp Navy:
Shark Assault Boats: NLA
Necrons:
Scythe Cruisers: NLA
Dirge Escorts: NLA
Jackal Escorts: 1-2 week delay
Orks:
Completely Intact (For Now)
Space Marines:
Gladius Frigate: NLA
Tau:
Completely Intact (For Now): Didn't realize they rereleased the Messenger class ships.
Tyranids:
Completely Intact:
Miscellaneous:
Space Station: NLA
Rogue Trader Cruiser: NLA
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These are dropping fast. Half of those were available not 20 minutes before your post :o
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I am harboring so much GW hate right now...
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Just as a note, anyone pulling in panic purchases might want to rethink directing a few orders to FW which has Gladius available and might want to take a search at Shapeways for Grim Dark before spending money on fighters/bombers instead of ships.
I am harboring so much GW hate right now...
NERD RAGE: ACTIVATE!!!! >:( bad monday...
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This is going to make me want to buy some plasticartdand get working.
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Makes me want to go spend more money at Abomination as I am worthless at the scratch build.
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You have a link for that Jimmy?
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well I already had GW hate, more bad business practices I guess
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You have a link for that Jimmy?
http://www.freewebstore.org/abomination/index.aspx?pageid=1322674 (http://www.freewebstore.org/abomination/index.aspx?pageid=1322674)
This is E&C's alternative product line that's just started up. I've just got my first batch of traders in and they fit perfectly in with my existing fleet as nice transport proxies. The line is only going to get larger, especially if there's good reaction from here [hint hint hint]. Good details on the models and quick delivery to the US.
AFAIK he's also contemplating a 6mm line that could be handy for Epic. Some concepts here (http://www.tacticalwargames.net/taccmd/viewtopic.php?f=126&t=24921)
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Well I quickly made a few purchases today. Got my last vengeance hull to make an exorcist and picked up one each of the admech ships for future needs. At least for marines I just need escorts. Chaos would have been nice to get a desolator but unfortunately they were already out on the US store.
Loss of eldar is worse... And tau I hope stays around on FW for a good while.
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FW still has the full load of Marine Escorts so that is at least something.
If anyone wants to see what is still available for BFG can use this link
http://www.games-workshop.com/gws/catalog/listProducts.jsp?catId=cat480005a (http://www.games-workshop.com/gws/catalog/listProducts.jsp?catId=cat480005a)
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If anyone wants to see what is still available for BFG can use this link
http://www.games-workshop.com/gws/catalog/listProducts.jsp?catId=cat480005a (http://www.games-workshop.com/gws/catalog/listProducts.jsp?catId=cat480005a)
SH**T just as i thought "damn, better quickly order that battle barge i need to complete my fleet!" i went on your link and saw.... its not available anymore in germany. :'(
DAMNIT! too late! >:(
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wait, are the SM BB still available in the US?
can anybody do me a HUGE favour and order one for me, i'll give you the money + shipping cost back... i am so screwed if i don't get my hands on one... :'(
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It isn't just BFG, all of the specialist games are haemorrhaging items to NLA. I just made my panic order.
Hopefully Forgeworld will keep their BFG items going, though I note the Tau protector is currently listed as Out of Stock over there. I don't suppose anyone knows if Forgeworld might be willing to pick up the rest of the SG lines?
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maybe I'm missing something but I'm going to the site and I see alot of these items still there for sale, infact I can add them to my cart if I want
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never mind I just saw the NLA sign at the bottom for each entry dam it GW, keep putting the lotion on it's skin, and it will permanently keep drowning itself with the hose!
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Forgeworld is stopping production on all SG products also according to Tac com and epic addiction. http://epicaddiction.wordpress.com/2013/04/30/fw-specialist-games-going-too/
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I'm guessing this will probably also extend to the plastics as well won't it, like the IN and Chaos cruisers and all the epic infantry sprues.
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Got my panic order of CWE in. I thought I never use this...http://nooooooooooooooo.com/
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Forgeworld as well...
Gw hates veteran players alot.... It seems....
This will be an important year for gothicomp. Lets show the world what bfg has to offer!
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Battle fleet Gothic! Long live BFG!
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does anyone happen to have one Tau protector unassembled and one Tau Manta from FW? I'm trying to get my hands one of each for... preservation purposes.
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Vaaish, I am trying to send you a PM but your box is full. Please PM me your email and we can talk.
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This is really disheartening news.
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Dan, I've cleared out some messages should be able to receive again.
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Wow, and FW everything went out of stock very, very quickly. Ramilies etc are now all out of stock as ebay speculation runs wild.
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It's actually not just the Specialist Games. It's now officially ANYTHING that is still metal is now dead, or at least the 40k and WFB lines, probably LotR SBG as well.
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Yeah but those will get the crapcast or plastic treatment or be replaced with new stuff. Specialist Games will just be gone.
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i spoke to the manager at my local games workshop today
he says theres been no word about specialist games going out of production, but the meatal models could be out of production because the molds for them have reached the end of they're life and cost too much to be worth replacing
I also found out that games workshop makes more selling white paint than all the specialist games put together
all the same i put in a panic order of battlefleet gothic stuff as i've only just started playing the game
also does anyone else find the question you have to awsner annoying?
"What is the abbrieviation for three six sided dice?" that would be 3 D6......apparently not according to this thing
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he says theres been no word about specialist games going out of production, but the meatal models could be out of production because the molds for them have reached the end of they're life and cost too much to be worth replacing
Not entirely truthful that statement. Yes some of the molds are EOL and I can't fault them to not replace them. Fair enough with a simple concept of ROI. However in no way in hell did every mold die at the same time. In addition, the molds for Aeronatutica Imperialis are quite new and fresh still yet they're getting pulled once stock is gone. Spin it anyway they want but this is a culling, pure and simple. White metal is getting pulled from the catalog and therefore SG which are not a significant enough income source are just getting cut, period.
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good point
however i can understand the cutting back of specialist games for forge world as it must be such a small part of their business which isn't as much as the main shops
it's still a shame to see these games getting killed off, when they still have alot of support
i'm sure that if games workshop were to market the specialist games better, then sales would increase and they would become economically viable again
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i'm sure that if games workshop were to market the specialist games better, then sales would increase and they would become economically viable again
There's some of this covered in a great thread over at WarSeer (http://www.warseer.com/forums/showthread.php?308580-Epic-Target-Demographic). While specifically discussing Epic the points that E&C makes and discusses some of his 1:1 with GW staff, they are in general applicable to Specialist Games as a whole (or specifically GW management's feelings on the range). I am not sure if this is where he discussed his attempts to actually license the Epic range from GW or not but let's just say some of what he encountered was colorful to say the least.
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I was as devastated as I'm sure everyone else is at the news these models are being put oop, my own reaction was quite surprising to me yesterday.
I don't really know how I feel about the slightly ridiculous £150 I just spent to get the last BFG models I'll presumably buy from GW. On the one hand I'm excited to have them, but it feels like I've either been strong armed into it (of sorts) or that I have essentially validated/rewarded this move. On the other hand, im wondering if I should being pickjng up more Forge World ships. Weird feelings. Looks like my hopes of owning a Repulsive or Ad Mech light cruiser have become considerably harder. :s
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:'(
I hadn't even had the chance to actually get some real ships... :'(. Living down south and being money constrained (like any reasoning person these days, especially with GW prices!) makes it much harder to acquire BFG ships, although conveniently pieces of cardboard do a really good job :).
According to the GW Australia site, the only No Longer Available ship is the Eldar Void Stalker. For now.... Can those in other countries get Void Stalkers?
I imagine that the BFG ships in metal are being discontinued because their stock is running out. Except for a few LoTR SBG miniatures that were more alternatives than critically needed (e.g. Aragorn #5 :) ), most have been put into finecast or are otherwise still available (to my knowledge), so it seems like they might simply be not casting metals any more. Although metal moulds are the cheaper ones, are they not?
It was really nice to have just the last edges of Specialist Games supply available, allowing us to do our own thing without too much 'interference' from GW but I had been wondering if/when this would happen.
On Warseer (and I'm sure on Dakka Dakka and all their friends) there are often rumours/wishes of GW re-releasing BFG/other SGs as a boxed set (as with Space Hulk and Dreadfleet). Most are speculation, I am sure, but this is a pattern that has been followed before and could happen sometime in the future. But perhaps with something we don't recognise :).
The next step: what's a list of good BFG miniatures to buy :D? At least with Tyranids and Dark Eldar one can use WH40K miniatures as a base :).
Anyway, this is like finding out a really nice bit of forest that thou played at/enjoyed thy whole life was bulldozed a few months ago and all that's left is a demountable. :(
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What's truly astonishing is how fast everything is selling out. BFG was really popular. Imagine if they had invested time and money into it.
Glad I got my replacements when I did (thank you a lot guys) because that may have been all she wrote.
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actually there are some key pieces of lotr stuff that's out of production now. Both the Harad Chieftain and Mahud King are OOP now as is the Mahud grunt with blowpipe.
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Interesting, the AdMech light cruiser is back in stock on the US GW site. Seems to still have the marine battlebarge and SC too. I thought I heard someone mention that it was gone already.
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So I am a newcomer to the BFG scene and I find myself entering at a bad time. I am also trying to get others at my FLGS to get into it as well. For the metal models being pulled, are there any suggested alternatives?
For example, I am looking to get one of each Chaos BS, but they are sold out. I have looked at the firestorm armada stuff but is it of comparable scale? Are there any other places I can get them (none on Ebay...).
With BFG sales ending on GW (well, at least the metal models) does anyone here see this as a real end to the BFG community? Not sure how staunch this community is.
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There may be options available in the near future for players and ebay tends to have bfg fairly regularly. I usually get the best results searching for battlefleet gothic rather than bfg or specific ship names.
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Khorne Inquisitor I'm also a new player, but not that worried about SG ending, there are plenty of other excellent star ship companies in existance or coming into existance that have nice ranges. E.g. even before I heard SG was shutting down ranges, I had got some Dark Realm ships to use as a Craftworld Eldar fleet because I liked the design more (and cheaper!):
http://www.forum.specialist-arms.com/index.php?topic=5341.0
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To echo Vaaish and Marconz, the community is most certainly not fading away. AfterImageDan is curating the community's currently ongoing full-spectrum overhaul of the BFG rules, which thankfully hasn't been very drastic though it's fixing a few balance issues that my gaming group had noticed as far back as, well, BFG's launch and the Armada supplement (I mean seriously? The Emperor BB outgunned the Retribution BB on a broadside, not counting lances, and was cheaper? Props to one of my friends for staunchly insisting on playing his Retribution back then...), and we've got some really talented artists in the community too, guys I'm frankly in awe of. We already have a community-designed alternative to a long-OOP light cruiser, there's a bunch of stuff kicking around on Shapeways if you poke around there, and I wouldn't be surprised to see other community ship projects get off the ground in the next month or two.
Sure, GW pulling the plug on SG is a setback, but the community has already more or less grown beyond GW's input on balancing and growing a lot of the SG games anyhow! I'd point everyone who's worried about the future of the Specialist Games lines to my high school's motto "succisa virescit;" "cut down, it grows back stronger" to paraphrase the Latin (rather poignant, that, considering some of my best times in high school were playing BFG and Epic40k campaigns with my friends). We've already been carrying and nourishing these game lines as it is (BFG:R here and Epic Armageddon over on TacCom rather come to mind), this just moves miniatures procurement to Ebay and scratchbuilding, where tbh it's already been for a while anyway. So yeah, we can freak out about the official closure of the model lines, or we can build ourselves a future, one kilometers-long macrocannon-festooned void-faring city-ship at a time. I know which of those I'm choosing.
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actually there are some key pieces of lotr stuff that's out of production now. Both the Harad Chieftain and Mahud King are OOP now as is the Mahud grunt with blowpipe.
What!! :( :(. I really liked the Harad Chieftain and Mahud. But now that you mention it, I do recall these were some of the casualties. The others escape me at the moment but GW does seem to be quite eager to obscure the old 'LoTR' range versus the new 'Hobbit' range.
The main problem is that my friends and I really liked the Imperial Navy/Chaos aesthetic so it's a bit sad to see production presumably stopping and support lessening even further (it was enriching to the whole WH40K phenomenon to be able to link crucial battles (WH40K) with large scale conflicts (Epic:A) and space battles (BFG)). Those Eldar ships discovered by Markconz definitely look interesting though :), especially since Eldar are some of the hardest to scratch-build.
Edit: On the Oz website, the Necron Tombship is no longer available too. At least the recent Necron Annihilation barges look like a good basis for a Tombship :)
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Great post Armiger84, that certainly made me feel alot more positive after this bad news! I am certainly all in on what ever it takes to keep this both going forward and growing.
Perhaps the title of this thread should be changed to cover both UK and US (and other?) stores?
In what I hope will help everyone out (I don't want to add to any feelings of panic etc) I was able to get stock levels for key items for Imperial, Space Marine and Chaos fleets, as posted below. This was from yesterday morning so certainly items will have dropped and may be out of stock by now.
01/05/2013 BFG STOCK FOR GW UK:
Chaos Fleet
Chaos Planet Killer - x10
Terminus Est - x4
Chaos Desolator Battleship - x17
Chaos Despoiler Battleship - x20
Chaos Repulsive Grand Cruiser - x0 (very sad to see this gone already, I've always wanted one... :( )
Chaos Cruisers - x20
Possessed Daemon Cruiser - x5
Space Marine Fleet
Space Marine Battle Barge - x25
Space Marine Strike Cruiser - x95
Space Marine Hunter Class Destroyers - x14
Space Marine Gladius Class Frigates - x23
Nova Class Frigates - x0
Firestorm Frigates - x3
Imperial Fleet
Imperial Emperor Class Battleship - x13
Imperial Retribution Class Battleship - x6
Apocalypse Class Imperial Battleship - x6
Imperial Vengeance Class Grand Cruiser - x24
Imperial Cruisers - x25
Imperial Dauntless Class Cruiser armed with lances - x10
Imperial Dauntless Class Cruiser armed with torpedoes - x3
Adeptus Mechanicus Battleship - x20
Adeptus Mechanicus Cruiser - x35
Adeptus Mechanicus Light Cruiser - 1 x0 - I missed out on this by about an hour yesterday, gutted!
Hope that helps some of you make informed decisions about what to get or not, and when.
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hoe are you getting exact numbers?
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By calling them. The extremely helpful guy on the phone offered the info for the chaos fleet, and I asked for the others. I didn't want to push it with him though. He was very understanding about it. I also asked for contact details for a way of letting them know my feedback on the decision.
The main reason for calling was to check that they actually were out of stock of the items that were 'no longer available', specifically the Repulsive. Turns out the Battle Barge had 25 stock, despite showing as NLA. That was the only one though...
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Turns out the Battle Barge had 25 stock, despite showing as NLA. That was the only one though...
weird.
this happened in germany too, not only with the battle barge, but also with some other ships, they showed NLA and came back just a few hours ago.
i wished they would have listed their correct stock numbers so i didn't have to pay 60 somewhat bucks to get my hands on a barge. :-\
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I wonder if we should all get together and have a Preservation thread of all combined fleets, 1 or 2 models to have in case more personal fleets are needed.
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So far I have stuck to my decision years ago not to buy directly from GW but I must say it is hard to stick to when I have some spare cash at the moment, have always wanted an Imperial Fleet and have a 2k Chaos Fleet that could do with some more variation.
Also I guess Ebay will, or probably already has, started seeing prices rise for BFG stuff.
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it has already been mentioned in the TacCom thread about the issue:
what really bothers me (and a lot of others) the most about it all is that they didn't say anything, no warning, nothing. if they'd warned us a month before or so that things will be discontinued in a month and kept on producing for the mean time, it would have been a different deal, but just tring to let it die silently... (which is NOT going to happen, they can't be serious that they thought nobody will notice!)
i kinda get the feeling of being betrayed by GW.
really, from now on i'll call this whole incident "the SG heresy".
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Much the same thing happened with the old metal daemon figures, slaanesh and khorne at the time.
I was told by a manager that they were being removed from the shops but would be avaliable from direct order, I've no reason to believe he was deliberately lying to me but suffice to say I bought a couple of blisters but wasn't too worried because I thought they would still be on sale.
Obviously this wasn't the case and they were pulled entirely to make way for the plastic figures which made me a bit sad, though I did later pick up a few second hand just because I liked the models.
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went to the GW store today to get some more ships...
result:
half of the things i wanted to order ran out in the time it took me to get to the store (i checked just before i left for availability) >:(
missed my chance to get my hands on infidels and falchions.... :'(
and now the kinda even more sad part:
when i told the store guy (one-man-store) that SG was getting killed, he didn't know before.
when just then some other people walked in, he asked them if they know about it.
they all did.
all of them.
quote from the store guy:
"why the HELL does everbody know about that, but not ME?!?"
yeah. GW didn't even tell their employees what the deal is.
really, WTF?
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They never told us when I worked there. We were as clueless as the regular guy, except learning right before something is going on the shelves.
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I went to GW today, and the guy who worked their also had no idea about it, and in fact told me that it may be part of the move away from pewter, and that GW wouldn't do that to people, as it's a douchey move. I am skeptical about that though.
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That story more fits in with my personal observation about GW and the employees:
The company I loved is really gone. Most of the employees are honestly good people and nice chaps. Too bad they work for douche-nozzels
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While I was lamenting my inability to finish any of my fleets (some aren't even playably largeD: ) A thought occured to me. Now that GW isn't producing the models, what are the chances that a third party just makes the BFG ships now?
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I'm pretty sure people won't commercially market copies of the existing BFG ships. GW still has copyright over their exact designs, so doing anything large-scale would pretty much be asking for a lawsuit. That said, I suspect there's a pretty good chance that third parties might step up to the plate and try to provide non-infringing alternatives that still fit the theme and feel of various fleets.
I mean, small shops have been turning out alternative Blood Bowl models for years, and Mantic's pretty much remade that game in all but name. Epic: Armageddon would be tough, but with spare plastic infantry lying around it's pretty easy to proxy imperial, chaos, or ork vehicles with something like GHQ's model ranges. As for BFG, between 3-D printing and the relative ease of creating rubber molds for resin casting, there's a pretty good chance that die-hard fans of BFG will try their hands at creating alternative ships of their own. Heck, some have been doing this for years already.
The real question is whether GW will feel it's worth going after any of the small-scale alternative model producers now that they've killed the product line. I figure Chapterhouse Studios has most of their attention at the moment, and the outcome of that case will provide us with a pretty good idea of what's legally permissible in the States at least.
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I'm under the impression that (as displayed by the natfka takedown) that GW must peruse infringement like that, or lose their rights to copyright and such. I'm wondering if they'll treat the models like the rules, I.e. Open source style, so people will be able to mess about with them without infringing on GW intellectual property.
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Not terribly likely, however, there's nothing against creating something in a similar style the same scale. I'm working on it. However, I may have to have a kickstarter to get a high grade 3-d priner and materials to get the ball rolling.
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I'm under the impression that (as displayed by the natfka takedown) that GW must peruse infringement like that, or lose their rights to copyright and such. I'm wondering if they'll treat the models like the rules, I.e. Open source style, so people will be able to mess about with them without infringing on GW intellectual property.
You're thinking of Trademarks. There's no preservation requirement to defend copyright.
Also, rules themselves are outside copyright. You can't copy/paste the exact text but the mechanics aren't covered.
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well I saw this for all the Admech fleet stuff
Availability:
This product is expected to despatch in two to three weeks.
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Yeah it seems a lot of the stuff that was NLA for IN is now listed as 2-3Weeks or 9-10 weeks delay. Perhaps BFG is not dead yet.
Also, were there always pre-order and new release sections for the specialist games section?
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Pre-order and new release yes.
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More likely the status has been updated to reflect movement of existing stock to supply orders rather than new casts.
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This really does make me sad, I always wanted to get into BFG and warmaster when I'd more or less finished my epic forces.....now a whole generation will miss out on the only quality games GW ever produced :(
I'm hoping we see some re-released in the big box format in future....
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Ordered the last two Dauntlesses I needed...
...to make a 1500 pt 2-battleship fleet. :P
The Torpedo Dauntless is on 3-4 week delay now; lance one is fine. Runnin' out, boys!