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Battlefleet Gothic => [BFG] Discussion => Topic started by: GlynG on May 01, 2013, 02:48:19 PM
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I'm toying with maybe buying a BFG fleet. I have very large Epic Armageddon armies, including several BFG craft and had eventually planned to get into BFG (I'd played a handful of times years ago) and perhaps collect all the fleets, but that'll never happen now. It's a terrible time financially but with the models ending and it being now or never I'm toying with buying a fleet anyway. It'd be a Minotaurs chapter fleet, an aggressive fleet based chapter from the latest FW Imperial Armour books, who nearly always fight together as a chapter, have lots of advanced/good kit (they're rumoured to have close links too the High Lords of Terra) and they specialise in annihilating fellow space marines who have been naughty.
Since I'll be including chapter matter Moloc in my epic army then for use in both gamers I want to include their flagship, the Daedalus Krata, a 'Heavy Assault Carrier'. I'm not clear what this is exactly (I haven't seen the latest IA Orpheus book which may or may not help) or how similar it is to a battle barge, but I may have one commision built and count it as one in game. Or possibly an Emperor class battlecruiser as venerable battle barge? Does anyone have any other suggestions or know any more about what a Heavy Assault Carrier' is from other BFG material?
I'm thinking of getting one of each of the 3 FW SM escort sets, plus 3 x Thunderhawk sets. I already have a GK strike cruiser (that I'll convert to regular SM) and I'm wavering over picking up 1-2 more regular SCs and a battle barge or leaving them for the moment and sourcing them on eBay in time in time instead.
Does that sound like a good basis for a decent fleet? I'd like to just about get to 1,500 points. I don't know the tactics for the game, or whether 1 each of 3 is a good number for the escorts (4 could be optimum for all I know or more of less escorts). The Minotaurs are a paranoidly independent crusading chapter so wouldn't have the option of the other Imperial ships with them.
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i say get what you want while you can.
get the barge, and the escorts along with the strike cruisers
alternatively i do like the idea of a custom barge to match that of the GK cruisers
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I find it's absolutely mandatory to have a barge and 3 strike cruisers. I would jump on those fast!
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The Spartan Games Kurak Alliance Tarakian Ganak Class Battleship
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It actually makes for a fun base for a kitbash for an Inquisition Battleship / GW Battlebarge. It's a bit on the larger size but actually fits for the guys with the best stuff. I started one myself but had to stick it on the side burner as I have too much epic to burn through first.
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yea a space marine is really fun to play with, and as Afterimagdan said you will want a battle barge in the list
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Update - I bought the start of a fleet :-)
I ordered 2 types of FW SM escort (sadly Gladiuses sold out while I was wavering so if you have some of the FW ones I'm interested) and 3 packs of Thunderhawks.
I'll get the metals later (maybe secondhand) and add 3rd party bits for the prows and that.
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Sigh, those Grey Knight Strike Cruisers were awesome, and not to mention cheap too. Just about the only instance where a FW equivalent was actually cheaper than the GW one. (GBP 7 for a resin GKSC v GBP 12.30 for a metal SMSC). Too bad they're OOP now. I really would have wanted to get some, just because they were costed as such; but alas, it is not to be.
Meanwhile,
1x Battle Barge
3x Strike Cruisers
3x Nova Frigates (1x Blister)
4x Gladius Frigate (1x Blister)
4x Hunter Destroyer (1x Blister)
Should bring you up to 1350. Add the compulsory Master of the Fleet, Two Re-rolls and a Terminator Boarding Party and you'll be an even 1500. ;) That's if you want a pure Codex Astartes Fleet though. For versatility, I'll recommend an IN Cruiser or two though (1x Plastic Cruiser Box). The Armageddon Fleet list will let you play a mixed force quite well.
Good Hunting.
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Thanks! Good to hear I can build a decent fleet though I'm a bit short of short of the escorts atm.
A mixed fleet might've been however the Minotaurs are a paranoid, isolationist chapter that doesn't cooperate well with other branches of the Imperium, so using an allied fleet with IN wouldn't really be appropriate.
I plan to convert some of my Thunderhawks (I'm not sure which proportion) to be Thunderhawk Annihilators and to use the Crusade list from BFGR (assuming my opponents accept these rules).
Edited to add: New thought - The Minotaurs are best buds with the High Lords of Terra and therefore well equipped with plentiful supplies of the best gear, particularly the sort to annihilate their favoured enemies (fellow space marines, not the chaos sort), in 40k that means a preference for power weapons, plasma and melta weapons.
I'm not sure what the BFG equivalent is - are any of the 3 SM escort ships better or worse than others in a game versus another Space Marine fleet? Same question re: the imperial Strike Cruiser upgrades. I'd like to field more anti-SM ships to theme the fleet properly.
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I may draw a lot of flack for this, but I'd say don't bother getting into BFG at this point, unless you already have at least one or two people in your area that you can play with.
Look at it this way. If you're the only BFG player in your area, the clock is now ticking. Every day that goes by, it seems, another model becomes unavailable. Every day, it becomes harder and harder for you to convince someone else to buy a fleet so s/he can play with you. Eventually, they'll have to search through eBay, and that search can only get more arduous and more expensive from here on out.
That said, if there's already a BFG community near you, go for it! You might end up getting burned if your BFG-playing buddies move away (or die or something), but that's a risk you take when you get into any game.
Come on, folks. Let's call it. There are other good space games out there. It makes me sad, too, but... it's over, guys.
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@ElectricPaladin: Yeah, I would agree with you on the point of actually getting games in. However, I also feel that the beauty of miniature games in general, is also the collecting/painting. And also, unlike MMOs for e.g., that they can be kept as display pieces and icons of nostalgia once their time is up. :)
Also, I kind of guess that our OP, at this point, has already bought in. So I think, might as well get a nice "complete", well-painted, well-rounded army up, and be truly satisfied with it. For now. I think it's much better to have than having a neglected half-army sitting somewhere gathering dust, not painted, not assembled. Without motivation to do anything because it's not "satisfying". I get that sometimes...and it's mainly because I'm not "feeling it", so to speak.
Who knows, BFG *might* be reduxed/outsourced, and we never know what will happen. But not to get anyone's hopes up, but it did happen with Battletech! :) Now I'm pulling out my Urbanmech Company for more 31st Century Combat.
Lastly, I suppose, one could always split one's force and/or if budget/time allows, get oneself an OpFor so that another person can play. Haha. Not that I'm encouraging it, but it's an option.
Regardless, BFG, I feel, is really distinct, with minis that really capture 40k, to me. And as for other space games, I'm not really feeling it. :)
As to Mr OP:
I suppose "Melta/Plasma" would probably come in the form of the good ol' Bombardment Cannons on your Strike Cruisers/Battle Barges. And "power weapons"? I suppose maybe Terminator Boarding Parties and Assault Boats...counter their formidable marine crews with more marines, and more powerful marines.
However, as an anti-Marine army in space, from a strategic point of view, if they are indeed planning for such contingencies, I think would entail countering the strengths of the Space Marine Fleet assets itself. The SM fleet is known for it's short range firepower, boarding actions and of course heavy armour.
Therefore, I'd think, load up on long range (Lance) weaponry, Torpedoes and Ordnance (Bombers), to keep them from utilising their strengths. This is usually found on the Escorts. But relying on them is a bit iffy. That's where the IN come into the picture.
In fact, it is also stated that the SM are "restricted" to such short-ranged transport-oriented ships to prevent any one Chapter from gathering too much power. And that good long-range ships of the line are restricted to the IN in order to ensure that as well. So that's where the case comes in for some good IN Cruisers like the Mars and Overlord. :)
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I may draw a lot of flack for this, but I'd say don't bother getting into BFG at this point, unless you already have at least one or two people in your area that you can play with.
INCOMING FLACK.
Look at it this way. If you're the only BFG player in your area, the clock is now ticking. Every day that goes by, it seems, another model becomes unavailable. Every day, it becomes harder and harder for you to convince someone else to buy a fleet so s/he can play with you. Eventually, they'll have to search through eBay, and that search can only get more arduous and more expensive from here on out.
The one thing is, the clock isn't ticking. There are a whole bunch of beautiful space ship models around that are not by GW and nothing is ending the BFG rules or BFG lore. Heck, there are already people with fully painted fleets from alternate companies posting battle reports of their games! Don't fret; there is already a big effort to find stand-in miniatures for 40k ships. It's actually really refreshing to watch.
That said, if there's already a BFG community near you, go for it! You might end up getting burned if your BFG-playing buddies move away (or die or something), but that's a risk you take when you get into any game.
Come on, folks. Let's call it. There are other good space games out there. It makes me sad, too, but... it's over, guys.
I don't think it is. I was crushed by the bad news from GW too, but I have opened my eyes to see all the awesome proxy possibilities out there. I don't see a reason to say it's over!
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I may draw a lot of flack for this, but I'd say don't bother getting into BFG at this point, unless you already have at least one or two people in your area that you can play with.
INCOMING FLACK.
noob question (from somebody whose mother tongue is not english): what does flack mean? ;D
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Its actually flak. And it means generally bad criticism in this sense, its also anti aircraft fire.
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Its actually flak. And it means generally bad criticism in this sense, its also anti aircraft fire.
oh okay, with flak i can work, that one i understand :D
actually thought that this was what was meant, but just wanted to make sure :)
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If someone can build a marine barge out of a motherboard then BFG will always remain alive. ;)
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Come on, folks. Let's call it. There are other good space games out there. It makes me sad, too, but... it's over, guys.
I've just started BFG, and I'm not too upset by official lines going as I was not relying on them anyway. There are many other spaceship lines that are serviceable and many more arriving all the time. If we look at how different the two GW Tau ranges were, we shouldn't have problems using alternative pattern ships for other races I think. Same applies if you look at previous and current ranges of any 40k race. Styles change quite dramatically over time, think of this switch as another of those.
There are also other space games out there, but I've not found any I like as much as BFG, and additionally what is to stop them going out of business at some point in the future with the same result? With BFG, same as with Epic, there are free rules documents that have been tested over time benefiting from extensive playtesting, and a community with a sense of self-reliance given that GW abandoned support long ago. The situation is not so bad I think.
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Part of the reason I've put in such big orders recently - grab as much stuff as possible so anyone who has an interest in playing can roll on over and use what I've got rattling around...
I wish I had of done so a little earlier though - I missed out on picking up any strike cruisers... :'(
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Part of the reason I've put in such big orders recently - grab as much stuff as possible so anyone who has an interest in playing can roll on over and use what I've got rattling around...
I wish I had of done so a little earlier though - I missed out on picking up any strike cruisers... :'(
Pick up a whole bunch of dauntless and then remove the prows (which you can probably sell). Make new prows out of Plasticard. You'll have something close. Look in the BFG:R SM document. There are alternate paterns.
You could also make something that looks like the additional ship's compendium's Punisher SC using IN Cruisers and/or dauntless.
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Capital idea, although with one critical flaw - arthritic penguin, remember? ;D
I do happen to have one spare dauntless as yet unpainted - I could always give it a go.
Even so, I managed to get a battle barge and a blister of every marine escort. Added to the strike cruiser I already had it's enough for about 1,000 points - 2000 if I happen to paint them the same style as my Ramillies 8).
Cheers,
LDTM
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Arthritic penguin aye. Just leave the prows on then and add Dorsal turrets for bombardment Cannons. anything else to bulk it up too would be good.
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I know, make the space marine prow first, see if it works, then lop the dauntless prow off. Thank you, sir, I might try that out when I get back.
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I think there's still plenty of life in BfG and the other specialist games. Look at all the guys who play historicals despite proprietary minis never being sculpted by the company that wrote the rules (in some cases).
You may have to look diligently to find opponents, but they're there.
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You can always seek out people to "help create battle reports via vassal and certainly not use that program to actually play the game".