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Specialist Games General Discussion => Modeling & painting => Topic started by: leaxe on July 01, 2013, 09:04:33 AM
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One guy knows how to do 3d
One guy knows how to cast resin
One guy writes about it. Me.
and now you can read about it...
The final product will be a Warmaster compatible 10mm scale modular fortress.
Here is step ONE
(http://i299.photobucket.com/albums/mm316/brx-photo/Warmaster/1015533_10201345778547469_1895428901_o.jpg)
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Oh wow, colour me intrigued! =D
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Yep - this is cool.
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STEP 2
(http://i299.photobucket.com/albums/mm316/brx-photo/Warmaster/1008524_10201345779227486_1741789716_o.jpg)
(http://i299.photobucket.com/albums/mm316/brx-photo/Warmaster/468575_10201345780107508_2056957393_o.jpg)
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The intrigue of 3d printing????
If you do it commercially, I think there'll be interest, given the lack of availability of the original Warmaster Forgeworld Fortress!
Dave
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(http://i299.photobucket.com/albums/mm316/brx-photo/Warmaster/1015699_10201358154496860_802328655_o.jpg)
(http://i299.photobucket.com/albums/mm316/brx-photo/Warmaster/1053505_10201439890940220_710904388_o.jpg)
(http://i299.photobucket.com/albums/mm316/brx-photo/Warmaster/1052469_10201439894180301_1151998768_o.jpg)
(http://i299.photobucket.com/albums/mm316/brx-photo/Warmaster/1008553_10201439892900269_794660912_o.jpg)
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The walls will also have a texture.
Comments and ideas are welcome.
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this looks f****ing awsome
I might have to consider aquiring one if it become avalible
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This looks amazing!
What kind of cost would this incur though, if it's solid resin?
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First we do a test run with one of the corner towers.
We want to start producing those first if we are satisfied with the 3d printing quality and costs.
I will be able to tell you an estimate it we reach that phase.
I hope I can report back with more pictures and photos of the test run when we booked the 3d printing schedule.
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Excellent stuff - what about doing a collapsed wall and a collapsed tower section?
Dave
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Collapsed wall and tower will be done as well. Probably not printed but done from a completed wall set.
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looks very promising! Our local warmaster players would be getting set or two for sure!
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Could you post a list of what the available sections would be ?
eg.
plain wall - xx cm wide, xx deep (also available in "half" the width)
wall with halftowers on each side,
tower
double tower
gate section etc....
and as you are 3d printing these, consider just printing the "facings" and deliver it in kit form, as that will save considerable space and weigth...... 8)
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At the moment there are only 3 parts in the planning phase
- corner tower
- wall section with half towers (can join the tower or another wall section to form a small tower)
- gate section
I will get you the exact sizes for tomorrow.
One base should fit on the wall, and two bases on top of the corner towers. The outcrops on the wall section can also take 2 bases (bolt thrower etc.)
By kit version you mean to have 4 tower walls and a tower top instead of two parts (tower base + tower top)??
IF the first tests are successful and there is real interest, then we have more ideas
- ruined versions of the first two (not 3d printing) - will surely be done
- wall without half-tower ends (could also be done using a saw) 8)
- walls at an angle
- extras for the towers (wooden structure upgrade with roof, outhouses, latrine, stairs etc.)
- castle utility buildings (stables, well etc.)
etc.
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By kit version you mean to have 4 tower walls and a tower top instead of two parts (tower base + tower top)??
Yes, that way it saves (expensive) printing material, and shipping cost (size and weight)
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By facings he means to say that the walls are not solid resin, but an outer wall, an inner wall and a roof section, to save money on resin and packaging.
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Personally, I'd pay more for a solid "all in one piece" wall/tower etc section.
Not sure I'd buy a "do it yourself build a castle kit"
But that's just my preference. Heck, you could even do both versions?
Dave
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by default we were thinking solid version.
Will explore the other possibility too.
Until then, I promised some sizes:
I will receive pictures which show dimensions soon.
Until then:
- The base of the tower is 46x46mm (the inner size of the tower top is the same size)
- outside dimensions of the tower top: 51x51mm (9mm high rampart)
- The top of the tower reaches 80mm
- wall is 172mm long
- depth 49 mm
- height 40mm + 9mm rampart
- half towers 60mm + 9 mm rampart = 69mm
- 3 bases fit on the wall, 2 on the tower and half in the half tower (one if two are joined)
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Can you not make it so that a full unit of warmaster (i.e. 3 stands) fits in the tower, as well as on the wall section?
Dave
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On the wall 3 bases fit. THe towers would have looked way too big and out of dimension if 3 bases would be on top.
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Standard collision, eh? The sole decision I see is to make a tower with a top of 60x40.
Ie the whole set of towers has to include some of 40x40mm, some of 40x60 and 1-2 of 60x60 (or more - the donjon or a sort).
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2 bases on a tower would be fine in my opinion. I'd be happy to assume that some troops are inside the tower itself (so wouldn't penalise any shooting from that unit), and 2 stands is normal for the many artillery units you'd commonly find mounted on towers.
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I agree with Geep.... (check the Art of Siege in Warmaster magazine) a unit is supposed to hold the inside and top of the tower.
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Definitely 3 bases long walls
Maybe three bases deep for towers?
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for now 2 bases will be on the top of the tower.
And here is the first version of the gate
(http://i299.photobucket.com/albums/mm316/brx-photo/Warmaster/1052164_10201496458554375_1216340245_o.jpg)
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Looks really good to me!
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And here is the first version of the gate
Nice, but from the picture I would say that is app 3cm wide. From a gaming POV it will make more sense to have the opening actually at 4cm, a stand-wide.
Also, strictly as a suggestion, consider making the "hole" in the wall actually an insert (say a 5x5xdepth dimension) and allow for various "gate" types to be slotted in .......
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We will explore the gate ideas. THanks for the tips!!
In the meantime, we did a quick test on with the printer company.
They will not be availble for a while so we had to do something small and fast for a test run.
And behold: The village well WIP
Some changes are needed but what we wanted to see we could see.
(http://i299.photobucket.com/albums/mm316/brx-photo/Warmaster/village-well.jpg)
(http://i299.photobucket.com/albums/mm316/brx-photo/Warmaster/village-well2.jpg)
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That's awesome! The detail is perfect.
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*Throws money at his monitor screen!*
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Impressed !! :P 8)
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Thanks guys! I make sure the others hear your positive comments.
The corner tower is being finished and when the summer holidays are over, we will have the test print on that one too. And when that is done, well and tower casting test will be done. Then the wall. Many things to do.
:)
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Before Stormwind start throwing tons of money to his Windows..... is there any indication of pricing ?
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Currently I only got an estimate on the well. Around 4-5 EUR + shipping.
We need to wait until the printer guys are back to work in August, then we will get an official quote from them.
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Superb, I can't wait to see what's next. Consider me queuing to pay! :)
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I'm in the queue too. You could be on to a winner here!
It would be nice to see other "Old World" Empire style buildings too. Something like the 30mm scale (Warhammer) Fortified Manor House, various towers, the semi ruined monastary for the Siege of Maisontaal.... Etc Etc...
You could do a range of warmaster scale buildings.....
Dave
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A definite +1 to the suggestions that Dave has put forward....
Lots of different Warmaster scaled buildings is what we all want!!
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Town "furniture" like that well, grain stores / simple houses would be fabulous. At the minute for 10mm empire houses, only Total Battle Miniatures have anything that makes me want to part with money.
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I think I will start saving up some money for this
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Shouldn't we let them finish the castle before we start dumping more and more buildings at their feet? ;D
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count me in too! :)
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We are glad if there are suggestions!
When we are finished with the castle, it highly matters what is needed by the community.
We could design a cool pig farm and when nodody wants it, all the work was for nothing. So keep coming with the ideas. We are grateful for them.
When we decided on a name for us, we will also create a facebook page to enhance communication, but not forgetting the forums.
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Leaxe......
Put up a separate post and let the forumites put up suggestions 8) they are a perty crafty bunch !!
Also.... where are you guys based ? As you might wanna look into proper distribution (and cost) to figure out your potential clientbase....
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We are in Hungary. Budapest.
The thread for the suggestions is a good idea. Will do that.
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Strange where links can take you ..... 8) http://www.castlemagic.com/new2012photos.html (http://www.castlemagic.com/new2012photos.html)
I was looking at some options for a catchy name.....
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8)
Stone texture in progress...
(http://i299.photobucket.com/albums/mm316/brx-photo/Warmaster/TOWER-stones.jpg)
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Ahh nice, more suggestions to put up !
Please considerer to have BOTH variations available !!!
Having visit a considerable amount of castles over the last 50 or so years, there is ample scope for both full stonework, but as least as many places where it would just be cornerstoning and framing being visible on the vertical planes of towers and walls, whereas the rest would be "plastered" (both from esthetic and military reasons!)
In consideration with your picture....
the front-part (with the door) with full stonework is nice
the left-part (with just the windows) would be what I would probably opt for for my towers.......
having both available as an option would be nice
ps. the crenelations would be visible stonework in all cases, so texture away there !!!
pps. the flooring for the fighting deck of the tower could be both stonework or wood! in either case, it would tend to be slightly dome shaped and have "holes" a;;owing excess water to flow down the side of the tower....
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Looking great - thank you for updating us!
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Have to echo what Lex has said here.
Also somewhat curious as to how the tower/wall is to be arranged if the side has both a door and arrow slits?
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Thanks for the input. I will check with the others about the versions.
The doors will go to the walls if placed next to the tower. If the tower is standalone, we have a balcony option in mind.
In the meantime I created a facebook page too.
http://www.facebook.com/EDG.Studio
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Any updates on your work? It's looking great so far.
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You could do a Kickstarter?
Dave
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Hi guys! Sorry for the delay in replying but I had a marriage and a little holiday. ;D
I have good news. In my absence there was great progress.
first test print is done.
I will post the pictures to our Facebook page.
Kickstarter would be cool. As we are Europeans, we are now checking the options with Indiegogo
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Congratulations on your marriage and honeymoon!
And also, good work - nice pictures!
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Uploaded the pictures of the first test cast
(https://fbcdn-sphotos-d-a.akamaihd.net/hphotos-ak-ash3/1185220_161541894049989_572899123_n.jpg)
https://www.facebook.com/EDG.Studio
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Looks great! But I hope it's hollow!
Can the top fit a 40mm square base?
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Very nice!! :o
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Excellent, it look at least as good, if not better than the original Forgeworld Warmaster castle.
Even though it would be more expensive, I would prefer it to be solid!
Dave
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I can't wait for these to be released! Any idea at a pricing yet?
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- the castle tower is solid one piece. Only the top can be removed.
- My personal opinion is that it looks MUCH better than the FW one. I do not have the original FW fortress, only have closeup pics of it, but I have the wizards tower at home and I would trade it immediately for another wizard tower with stone texture like this...
- Top of the tower can hold 2 bases easily:
(https://fbcdn-sphotos-e-a.akamaihd.net/hphotos-ak-prn1/1235919_161810750689770_398362263_n.jpg)
- Pricing: I will have a number by the end of this week
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Looks nice. And theoretically perfect. I do think the design would have been better if those stones around the windows and such stuck out a bit more. I know it's slightly less realistic, but on the scale we're talking about these accents make the model more...I dunno...convincing (not sure that's the right word).
But beyond that the model looks really great, what material are you casting it in?
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These look /amazing/ and I can't wait to see how these progress.
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Hi,
Casting will be in resin. I have no idea of the exact type. Will ask the caster.
We were thinking a lot about making the model pure fantasy style or more realistic. At the end it stayed like this. We figured that the windowsill can be accentuated by painting.
And this way it makes the orcs harder to take hold and climb in. :)
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Fair enough!
By the way, did you ever check out the stuff done by Tabletop World (http://www.tabletop-world.com/)? :)
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yes, we know their excellent stuff.
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I think what makes their stuff so awesome is that it looks very natural. The walls aren't perfectly straight and that sort of thing, making it really look as if they've been built stone by stone.
However, on a scale such as Warmaster that might be a bit overkill.
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My personal opinion is that it looks MUCH better than the FW one. I do not have the original FW fortress, only have closeup pics of it, but I have the wizards tower at home and I would trade it immediately for another wizard tower with stone texture like this...
I have the FW one at home and i would say the tower and walls are really really inspired by the FW one. But it's ok, they are great. Some few additions, or modification. emplacement of the door, etc. I think the crenels are really the same. The size is the same too. The work on the stones. The global aspect is really very prooch (not to say the same).
So i would say it's a very nice job for those two components and i would buy them eyes closed if i did not had mines already.
BUT
The gate is ugly :(
(http://i299.photobucket.com/albums/mm316/brx-photo/Warmaster/1052164_10201496458554375_1216340245_o.jpg)
What are those big fatty flat towers on each side ? Come one, guys, you can do far better than just picking the same file than the one of the little towers and had one third of it width and one more window.
It looks really... Boring. Too straight. Too big. Too massive. Too flat. More like a Napoleonian era construction.
The FW one may look too "medievalish" but at least it looks fun and nice.
(http://www.collecting-citadel-miniatures.com/wiki/images/thumb/4/45/Fwm008.jpg/800px-Fwm008.jpg)
I love the well ! Very very nice idea.
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Perhaps a little visit to Stronghold/Stronghold 2/Stronghold 3 artwork might be in order? Might give some inspiration, albeit medieval, on how to approach a change if one is on the cards?
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Marell, that is a Work In Progress - I think you will see some more detail and "embellishments" on it before it is complete!
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hi guys,
I am really grateful for all input! Its good to have several oppinions and ideas, so keep it coming!
the picture is just WIP. No texture or details yet.
We will post more pictures when the gate section has progress.
The wall section is being done now.
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Leaxe, the castle is looking really good so far. I like everything I see. Good work! Keep it up!
Do you plan to cast the towers as a solid piece? Are you going to have a hollow are inside to save on weight and resin?
Are you going to cast the castle yourself? I would love to do it for you, but alas, I am in North America.
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Yep, but as it's the two massiv towers i dislike, i had to say it now or it would have been too late :)
Why not proposing two different walls ?
for example one with hoarding.
(http://www.autour-des-chateaux.com/Fortification/Images/Hourdsexterieur.jpg)
(http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/thumb/8/84/Hourds_Castelnaud.jpg/781px-Hourds_Castelnaud.jpg)
And one with a stair in the inside, and one with stables ?
There was an attempt to make a more german looking castle from GW. You can see it in the unreleased section of the CCM wiki, in the warmaster section :
http://www.collecting-citadel-miniatures.com/wiki/index.php/Warmaster_-_Unreleased
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It is never too late. If it is too late, we add the idea to our list.
The wooden plank style tower top is already in the list. :)
I collected loads of pictures a while ago.
The warmaster link is useful, thanks!!
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I was not especially proposing a wooden roof, more a wooden passage along the wall. But both idea can be interesting.
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What do you guys prefer?
- getting the tower in this stage and then get the other parts later?
- wait to get the whole fortress set together?
We can start making the single tower now and then later make the wall and the gate available and the extra small details that are added to the tower (stairs, balcony etc.)
The well is ready for production, so you could order it right away.
I will put the prices on FB this afternoon. Have to check the postage fees.
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As long as the price is not too high I will buy no matter the release order although I would prefer first the tower and other "main" buildings...
Will you be releasing that covered well too?
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Tower is 12 + shipping and the well would be 5+shipping at the moment.
I will have exact shipping prices later today.
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12 Rand doesn't sound bad, but something tells me you're using a different currency... Would you be kind enough to specify?
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12 Rand doesn't sound bad, but something tells me you're using a different currency... Would you be kind enough to specify?
I presume it is Euro's, seeing their location... but who knows 8)
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oh, sorry. 12 EUR
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Thankies ;)
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Very interesting to see how this evolves - the village well has me more smitten than the towers! =D
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Personally, I will be waiting until you can buy the walls, towers and gated wall sections all at one go, so I can order the entire castle in one go. Just towers by themself won't be that much use I'm afraid, no matter how great they look.
Dave
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I'm very interested in this castle. Any idea on how well it scales with Warmaster Siege equipment (the ladders or towers released by GW)? (not a big issue- scale is all over the place with the ladders, siege towers and FW castle)
I'd be willing to pay for the towers soon (to help with funding further work) but would prefer to not receive anything until the whole castle is done (to save on postage). Would that help, or be too confusing?
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Only just spotted this thread!
I'd be very interested in getting a decent castle rather than making it myself (which I can totally do, it just takes longer!).
I would prefer a whole castle too, rather than picking up bits one at a time.
It looks really cool! :)
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If affordable I'd rather get a whole castle as well
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Just to stick it out there, how about another exterior curtain wall with round towers to make undercutting them harder? They did stop using square towers after not all that long a time :)
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Hi,
By curtain walls you mean something like this?
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/File:Krak_des_chavaliers_plaine.jpg
Round towers are also on our idea list. That would need new walls and gate too.
If anyone wants to already have small towers or village wells, just drop us a message at facebook or to our email ([b]edg.studio@yahoo.com[/b]) and you can already have them.
Production will start later this month.
I will get the wall section later this week and then work continues on the gate and some small add-ons.
If you have an idea what would be cool, do not hesitate to send me message or post on our FB page, perhaps with an example.
one tower would be 12 Eur + around 7 Eur with registered shipping.
well would be 5 Eur + 5 Eur registered shipping (standard shipping is 2 Eur)
If you want multiple items already, contact me, I send u the details.
modified the wrong number in the well shipping line
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Yeah that's the one, although I'm thinking more of the Tower of London as its the best castle on earth because its just down the road from me lol
Shouldn't be too hard to work in on a computer though, just getting the angles right yeah?? Would it be easier to put a cut in the tower so you/we can slot the walls in to the round towers or square depending on the look we're after ;-)
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our 3d guy can solve it for sure.
8)
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If you have an idea what would be cool, do not hesitate
I think you could try something asymmetrical about the main gate, and maybe walls.
- A little round tower here, on the external side.
- A stair on the backside.
- Some small stables as proposed, against the inner part of the wall.
About the main gate, really, it would be better to have a the huge towers with several parts of tower (don't know how to explain, as if there was several rower built one after the other, like on the GW model) better than a heavy and so massive one. I really think this part need structural modifications.
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Possible tower add-ons on our Facebook page
(https://fbcdn-sphotos-a-a.akamaihd.net/hphotos-ak-frc3/970352_164555443748634_311132447_n.jpg)
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Any reference pics of a stone balcony like this? Looks painfully out of place to me...
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I have no actual picture for a real balcony.
There was one version similar to this too.
http://farm8.staticflickr.com/7124/7733283886_7db82ccee8_z.jpg
In fact, wood was the first test, but it would be too thin.
This is just an idea for using the door hanging in the air IF the tower is a standalone piece.
As part of a fortification, the door in the air opens to the top of the wall.
The other outcropping looks better.
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It would probably work better without the crenulations. Like in the picture you show. A balcony would not often be found on the outside of the structure where they are more needed.
The proper terminology for the other structure would be Garderobe (and let me tell you, the people using the "windows" below that thing wont be please :-X
Are you sure that woodworks would not work? It looks like you could (re)use components of the Well.
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I will ask our 3D pro for the wooden version picture.
In the meantime I have uploaded the two more versions he did for the stone balcony.
https://www.facebook.com/media/set/?set=a.164555440415301.1073741834.149814275222751&type=3
Being under the garderobe is not too good if you are thinking about the same thing. :-X
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Balcony looks better.
And I would definitely NOT have that garderobe over the stairs leading into the tower :o
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Balcony looks better.
And I would definitely NOT have that garderobe over the stairs leading into the tower :o
luckily that is just an add-on. You put it anywhere where no harm can be done due to falling organic matter. 8)
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yup...normally that would be the OUTSIDE of the castle, delivering it in the (dry) moat. I know of a place where there would be several garderobes emptying on the same niche inside the catle, and the matter carted of to be (re)used......
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Perhaps a small semi-circle balcony with a longer base might be a little more fitting? The balcony without crenellations doesn't look too bad either - with them it just looks weird.
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Yes, you have catched it about nice additions to break the too high regularity.
Balcony is an idea, but i think wooden parts would be better. You said it would be too thin, but no need to make it hollow. An addition of a wooden covered external corridor could be plain, and it would really be a nice addition if you want my opinion.
Like the little part you can see here along the up of the wall... But larger and made of wood :
(https://scontent-b.xx.fbcdn.net/hphotos-ash4/p206x206/999770_164555447081967_231087279_n.jpg)
The stone balcony remain a nice idea, but i think it would be nicer with a very decorated aspect. Not just stones put together. As on your picture. This type of balcony are really architect prowess. They where created only for important castle and clearly where the occasion to decoration, etc, to impress the newcomers.
A small watch tower, thin and high, that you could put on top of a classical tower, or clip on the side, would be a nice addition too. To break the too perfect regularity, again.
Anyway, with those new additions, you're clearly on the good way ! This project if really nicer with them. I will relay it on the french forum.
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Yeah this is really shaping up nicely! I'd be really tempted to get a single tower, just as a terrain piece / objective as well!
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It looks better and better 8)
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This is definitely coming along very nicely.
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Any updates on this?
I love how the painted well looks! <3
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Wow, this is awesome work.
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WE WANT SOME NEWS !!
And some new add-ons :)
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Yeah this and E&C's ogres haven't had any news for a whiiiile. =-<
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WOW , looking amazing . Want some , and hopefully they may expand range and races .
Stuart
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I had no news but i found that on ebay this morning :
http://www.ebay.com/itm/The-Lonley-Tower-10mm-terrain-warmaster-forge-world/111275902939
http://www.ebay.com/itm/The-Lonley-Tower-with-stand-and-balcony-10mm-terrain-warmaster-forge-world/111275906759
But... Where are add-ons ? WE WANT ADD-ONS !!
Balcony, stables, stair, etc... And a roof ! Most towers had roofs back in the medieval days :)
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Yeah I was just about to post this! They look gorgeous, even if not used as terrain but rather, a centrepiece, they look fab.
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When the walls parts will be available, the towers will be far more usefull for siege scenarios.
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Sorry guys, it seems I am not getting any notifications from the topic.
The good news is that after a long time, now we can start producing the tower.
Please check the latest picture at:
https://www.facebook.com/EDG.Studio
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The add-ons are next on the schedule.
Then the wall parts.
We need to sell some of these to fund the next print run for the masters.
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OMG you have to repost those WIP High Elf waystones here ASAP! They are exactly what I have been looking for!
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These waystones? :D
https://fbcdn-sphotos-g-a.akamaihd.net/hphotos-ak-prn1/t31/1025267_204200203117491_1255857353_o.jpg
I am waiting for the caster to respond, then I have more info. The transparent ones are the masters.
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Wicked, I am excited to see anyone making fantasy scenery, going to post this on our forum.
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leaxe, is that tower hollow:
(https://scontent-a.xx.fbcdn.net/hphotos-prn1/t1/1512722_204199766450868_2099493826_n.jpg)
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It does not come in parts like the master. It has been assembled for the moldmaking. The inside is hollow. I will post a picture of the unpainted copy where the hole is visible as soon as I get it tonight.
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The inside is hollow.
That is a good idea, for it will lower shipping costs.
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Hi there ,
love the detail in the models , when more is available count me in . Any chance expanding into other 10mm scenery as well for other races ,
how much are the high elf oblisc things ?.
Stuart
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(damn, I am still not getting notifications from the topic)
We have plans to make more stuff.
drop me a mail at edg.studio@yahoo.com or here and I send you the details.
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I just wanted to dig this topic up to say that I recieved my tower, base, well and elven waystones in good condition and eventually I'll tidy them up and get them based!
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I received mine recently, and was able to put some paint on it.
I'm very happy with the level of detail and construction.
WIP, have to wash/highlight the wooden parts:
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How much filing / chopping / filling did you have to do to get your tower to fit the stairs in the base?
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How much filing / chopping / filling did you have to do to get your tower to fit the stairs in the base?
Not much at all. I used some corse sandpaper to even out the base of the tower and get rid of some resin excess from the casting. After that, I test fit it and just needed 1-2 cuts with a hobby knife to get rid of the odd bead of resin on the base. Very snug fit after that. I didn't even have to touch the stairs themselves.
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That thing looks pretty sweet, well done to leaxe and the crew.
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captPiett, what are those buildings behind the castle? They look interesting.
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captPiett, what are those buildings behind the castle? They look interesting.
Those are gamecraft miniatures half timber buildings, 10mm. They're laser cut wood with MDF half timber details you glue on top. They're pretty good, but I have yet to figure them out, painting wise. The detail is too crisp and smooth for dry brushing and washes. Also, the roofs are paper card with tiles printed on top.
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Cool keep . I will certainly look into aquiring one .
Stuart
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Any more from these guys?
http://www.ebay.co.uk/itm/Windmill-Warhammer-Warmaster-Forge-World-Flames-of-War-10mm-15mm-terrain-/121400074179?pt=Games_US&hash=item1c44021fc3
I saw their really nice looking Windmill on eBay, and their facebook has some nice artillery positions they cast for Epic.