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Warmaster => [WM] Warmaster Fantasy Rules Questions => Topic started by: Heiko on July 10, 2013, 10:23:48 PM

Title: Rage of Chaos - Handling
Post by: Heiko on July 10, 2013, 10:23:48 PM
Good evening,

today we´ve had a nice game between Chaos and the Tomb Kings. During this (later on lost) game happened the following situation:

I´ve charged with my Chaos Warriors a Undead Brigade. My Sorcerer - owner of the Ring of Magic - used his ring and performed the spell "Rage of Chaos".

1. My opponent thought about the option to use his dispel scroll.... So - if he had used it - would the Ring  of Magic AND the Scroll are out of the game? Or - it is possible to use the Scroll, when one side uses something like the Ring of Magic? How does it work?

2. I was able to cast "Rage of Chaos" and made my first roll - I´ve got a SIX. As usual, I´ve tried to get more than that and made a second roll - it was a SIX too.

The rules say, these TWELVE attacks go down on my Chaos Warriors before the fight starts. Okay, understandable. Now the problem: My opponent says, the result of these attacks counts toward the battleresult of the first round. (I have lost with these twelve attacks seven hitpoints of my unit. I had to take one base, the second one was also nearly gone....) Was my opponent right? Do these results of the cast count TOWARDS the result of the first round?

I hope you can help me with both problems.

Greeting!
Title: Re: Rage of Chaos - Handling
Post by: Edmund2011 on July 10, 2013, 10:49:42 PM
The effect of the spell is during the round of combat, so I understand they count for the result of the first round or the full combat phase in case of Chaos unit gaining the bonus attacks:

"The unit gains bonus Rage of Chaos attacks for the following combat phase"
[...]
"Rage of Chaos attacks that rebound in this way are struck only once in the first round of combat: they are not struck each round"

Remember your dead Chaos Warriors (because of the spell) are able to attack too (the hits are taken during the Combat, not before)
Title: Re: Rage of Chaos - Handling
Post by: Lex on July 10, 2013, 10:54:31 PM
Scroll can deny a successful cast.

Wounds caused count in the first round, similar to S&S.
Title: Re: Rage of Chaos - Handling
Post by: Edmund2011 on July 10, 2013, 10:59:02 PM
Wounds caused count in the first round, similar to S&S.

Yes is very similar, but not 100% the same: S&S is resolved before the combat. If a stand is removed by arrows before reaching the enemy it does not attack. This is spell is during the combat.
Title: Re: Rage of Chaos - Handling
Post by: Lex on July 11, 2013, 07:44:59 AM
Wounds caused count in the first round, similar to S&S.

Yes is very similar, but not 100% the same: S&S is resolved before the combat. If a stand is removed by arrows before reaching the enemy it does not attack. This is spell is during the combat.
Effect as in: all hits established count for Combat Resolution in 1st round of combat.

And actually, the spell is cast as part of Shooting/magic.... and carries over into combat
Title: Re: Rage of Chaos - Handling
Post by: Heiko on July 11, 2013, 08:56:49 AM
Thanks so far, to top it the final question about "working on fight-results":

The Troll ability to reduce losses of hitpoints (as far as the stand is not already out of the game...) - does this ability Change the result of the fight too? Or does it just bolster the remaining hitpoints of surviving trolls?

Greetings!
Title: Re: Rage of Chaos - Handling
Post by: Claus on July 11, 2013, 11:55:04 AM
It just bolsters remaining hit points but has no effect to the combat result
Title: Re: Rage of Chaos - Handling
Post by: Heiko on July 11, 2013, 03:13:45 PM
So - this is also clear now. Thanks to all of you - the topic can get closed. (Do I have to do it? It is up to others?)

Greetings!
Title: Re: Rage of Chaos - Handling
Post by: Lex on July 11, 2013, 04:27:47 PM
OP can close