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Title: [WM] Empire
Post by: Meister.Petz on August 18, 2009, 08:13:49 AM

Hi there. Here are a few pics of the first epmire unit of my new commission work:

Halberdiers

(http://img142.imageshack.us/img142/197/halberdiers001.th.png) (http://img142.imageshack.us/i/halberdiers001.png/) (http://img216.imageshack.us/img216/9971/halberdiers002.th.png) (http://img216.imageshack.us/i/halberdiers002.png/)
(http://img197.imageshack.us/img197/4595/halberdiers003.th.png) (http://img197.imageshack.us/i/halberdiers003.png/) (http://img136.imageshack.us/img136/8918/halberdiers004.th.png) (http://img136.imageshack.us/i/halberdiers004.png/)

Hope you like them ... I'll keep them coming.
Greetings from Austria
Peter

Title: Re: [WM] Empire
Post by: Lex on August 18, 2009, 08:24:11 AM

DANGG  8)  even with the original pictures you would swear these are 28mils, instead of 10s !!

Title: Re: [WM] Empire
Post by: azrael71 on August 18, 2009, 01:21:41 PM

painting eyes on 10mm rank & file is wrong ;)

Great work.
I hope to get this good one day.

Title: Re: [WM] Empire
Post by: pw on August 18, 2009, 02:22:27 PM

Absolutely superb stuff, they look fantastic.

Would you be prepared to give a step by step on how you did them? I ask because I've just settled on the exact same scheme and to be frank if I can get them looking anything like yours I'll be absolutely delighted and perhaps a little shocked. Please.....

Title: Re: [WM] Empire
Post by: m4jumbo on August 18, 2009, 03:33:26 PM

Very nice.  That is going to be an impressive looking army. 

Title: Re: [WM] Empire
Post by: Meister.Petz on August 18, 2009, 06:03:27 PM

Wow ... I didn't expect that nice answeres :)
Thanks to all of you - I'll try to make a step-by-step (with fotos) with the next Halberdiers. Give me some days and I'll post it in here.

Greetings and thank you once again.
Peter

Title: Re: [WM] Empire
Post by: Stomm on August 18, 2009, 10:45:14 PM

Very nice, do I detect the use of an all-figure brown-ish ink wash?

Title: Re: [WM] Empire
Post by: pw on August 18, 2009, 10:57:40 PM

Looking forward to the step-by-step, I expect I'll be following it slavishly...

Title: Re: [WM] Empire
Post by: Ale on August 18, 2009, 11:31:01 PM

Good job I like it. I think the figures are very well painted and they have a lot of details!!!
The decition of not painting the eyes was good in this scale.
Congratulations.

Title: Re: [WM] Empire
Post by: Pugwash on August 19, 2009, 01:17:56 PM

Very, very nice Meister.Petz  ;D

I look forward to seeing more.  You've inspired me to get the last of my empire finished up!

Title: Re: [WM] Empire
Post by: Meister.Petz on August 19, 2009, 05:31:15 PM

Quote from: Stomm on August 18, 2009, 10:45:14 PM

Very nice, do I detect the use of an all-figure brown-ish ink wash?

Nope I've not used sth. like that. That miniatures are done with layering ... only the metallics became a wash ... see more on my step-by-step post coming up in the next few days.

Greetings
Peter

Title: Re: [WM] Empire
Post by: jchaos79 on August 19, 2009, 11:14:30 PM

Looking forward to see the step by step pics.

Empire figures are beatuful and it is highly remarked when the paint is a great work.

Are you going to build all your empire army in these scheme of colours (red and white)?

Title: Re: [WM] Empire
Post by: Meister.Petz on August 20, 2009, 08:28:04 AM

I want to paint different units with the same colours. Main colour is red, which will be on every unit. Other colours are white (like in this unit), maybe light blue, green, etc.

So there will be red and white halberdiers, kannons, pistoliers, crossbowmen, etc. ... always 1 unit per colour combination and unit type.

Next unit will be a red and white cannon unit. Hopefully finished on the weekend, have lots of work to do. :(

Greetings from Austria.
Peter

Title: Re: [WM] Empire
Post by: Meister.Petz on August 24, 2009, 08:20:48 PM

Ok, here is my Step-by-Step for doing a red and white Warmaster Empire soldier:

Step 1: Prime it and correct with black if not every surface is covered
(http://img18.imageshack.us/img18/2001/step01k.jpg)

Step 2: Paint the flesh parts, you may need more layers to make the black not shine trough the colour. I used Dwarf Flesh.
(http://img220.imageshack.us/img220/6484/step02.jpg)

Step 3: Paint one side in light grey (here: Fortress Grey) ... this is the ground colour for the white and especially for the hollow parts
(http://img18.imageshack.us/img18/7306/step03e.jpg)

Step 4: Other half gets a deep red (Scab Red) ... same reason as the grey
(http://img80.imageshack.us/img80/1596/step04.jpg)

Step 5: Paint the brown surfaces like beard, ground, shoes, some wood or pockets
(http://img220.imageshack.us/img220/8623/step05.jpg)

Step 6: Use the wash "Ogryn Flesh" on the flesh parts ... take as much as you want, the more you use, the darker the skin gets
(http://img223.imageshack.us/img223/8907/step06.jpg)

Step 7: I used "Chainmail" for all the metal surfaces ... sword, helmet, and so on
(http://img80.imageshack.us/img80/8994/step07.jpg)

Step 8: Ok now the miniature gets some life ... paint white (or a white - light brown/grey mix) on the higher surfaces over the light grey layer. Leave the hollow parts light grey. The feather on the helmet is made by drybrushing (I think we all know how this works ;))
(http://img220.imageshack.us/img220/8747/step08.jpg)

Step 9: "Vermin Brown" for the wood of spears and other long sticks like this. Also leave some dark brown places where the shadow should be.
(http://img39.imageshack.us/img39/435/step09.jpg)

Step 10: The pocket and shoes and other leather-like surfaces get "Snakebite Leather" ... same here: dark brown = shadow
(http://img223.imageshack.us/img223/6378/step10.jpg)

Step 11: Take a small brush for the beard - trust me, its worth it :) I used "Kommando Khaki" for this beard and hair. Just made some strokes, but you can also paint the whole beard in one colour (exeption: the shadow parts ;))
(http://img39.imageshack.us/img39/639/step11r.jpg)

Step 12: "Blood Red" is the colour of the bright parts of his uniform. Leave the shadows .... blablabla, you know what I mean ;)
(http://img300.imageshack.us/img300/9274/step12.jpg)

Step 13: Almost done. Last thing to do is using the wash "Badab Black" on the metal parts ... this technique looks cleaner than drybrushing metal surfaces.
(http://img196.imageshack.us/img196/6708/step13q.jpg)

Step 14: add some this and that, a canon here and some crewman there. Basing materials, different browns and some grass e violá

Imperial Cannons

(http://img329.imageshack.us/img329/8017/empirecannons1.th.jpg) (http://img329.imageshack.us/i/empirecannons1.jpg/) (http://img199.imageshack.us/img199/2641/empirecannons2.th.jpg) (http://img199.imageshack.us/i/empirecannons2.jpg/) (http://img44.imageshack.us/img44/9343/empirecannons3.th.jpg) (http://img44.imageshack.us/i/empirecannons3.jpg/) (http://img233.imageshack.us/img233/2977/empirecannons4.th.jpg) (http://img233.imageshack.us/i/empirecannons4.jpg/)

Hope you like them ... and also the step-by-step. Was much work (so you better like it :D).
Greetings from happy-painting Austria
Peter

Title: Re: [WM] Empire
Post by: azrael71 on August 24, 2009, 09:29:07 PM

Great tutorial.
A bit different to how I paint them but not much :)
Newcomers to the game often get very overwhelmed by the small scale of the models.
This sort of article helps out a great deal.
Perhaps it could do with it's own thread!

Title: Re: [WM] Empire
Post by: Meister.Petz on August 25, 2009, 08:21:28 AM

Thank you but for a sticky tutorial or article this may be a bit short. ;)

Next update will be from my Skaven (so my own miniatures :) ).

Greetings
Peter

Title: Re: [WM] Empire
Post by: pw on August 26, 2009, 10:20:19 AM

Superb stuff. Many thanks for this. It's almost exactly how I'd imagined you'd done it. I was hoping but not expecting that you'd have some cunning time-saving tips but this is 'real painting' and very much what I tend to do myself. I'll pack up some toys for my forthcoming trip to Germany and see how close I can get to the look you've got. The only change I might make is to use foundation paints for the base red and greys as I seem to remember my Scab Red being a little too thin and speed will be of the essence.

Thanks again, and do please keep sharing, these look superb.

Title: Re: [WM] Empire
Post by: Meister.Petz on August 26, 2009, 11:13:00 AM

Ok ye, vallejo colours do a much better job, but citadel are for this low painting standard much more comfortable bec. of their pots. You may want to know this tab. http://www.librarium-online.com/forums/archive/index.php/t-169833.html for vallejo-citadel colour matches.

You can also try to use the high end colours (blood red and skull white) and then use the washes. The use of the citadel washes is much faster than layering and may even look a bit better than this hard highlights.

Fortress grey and scab red on the black primer is no problem, because if you thin the colours with water a bit, then it automatically runs to the hollow parts of the miniature. On high surfaces you dont need a clean grey (or red) colour, because another layer of white (or bright red) comes over it.

Greetings and yes, I'll keep painting+posting ;)
Peter

Title: Re: [WM] Empire
Post by: Stomm on August 26, 2009, 05:49:34 PM

Nice little step-by-step. I note that you only use two steps for your red, I personally tend to use about five or six depending on if I'm going to add a blazing orange final highlight. I have relatively recently discovered that using the foundation red, with a red was and a blood red highlight works quite well on its own for a quick result though.

Talking of which, on the subject of painting white, specifically white cloth. I think that there are two main routes for this, the grey route which you've gone for, and the brown route which I ended up using for my Reiklanders. As the main colour is white, without having to worry about quarters (I had started doing Averlanders, I didn't get past painting a single strip...), I use a black undercoat, bestial brown 'gunk brush', then followed by a skull white 'gunk brush', which is followed up with a clean 'once over' with skull white before moving onto re-painting the details in black and then working back up from there.

I really should do a step-by-step one of these days...

Title: Re: [WM] Empire
Post by: Guthwine on August 26, 2009, 05:58:25 PM

Quote from: Stomm on August 26, 2009, 05:49:34 PM

.... I personally tend to use about five or six depending on if I'm going to add a blazing orange final highlight...

This is madness!!! *persianvoice* :D

Wow five or six layers for a whole unit sounds like alot of work on 10mm, even my heroes only get 4 depending on the color.

Title: Re: [WM] Empire
Post by: Meister.Petz on August 26, 2009, 07:32:52 PM

Madness? This is

WARMASTAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAA

Title: Re: [WM] Empire
Post by: Stomm on August 27, 2009, 09:09:12 AM

Yes well, for 'rank and file' reds, I just go through the Citadel reds, so that's three, maybe with a touch of orange at the top. However for extra-quick results you can if you're careful get away with just using blood red by glazing it a bit, IoW watering it down so much that on the first pass about 50% of the black undercoat shows through.


Anyway, needless to say I haven't finished many models with each colour using 4+ layers in WM. Perhaps my most detailed 'finished' model is probably the yellow wizard I painted ages ago that appeared in Warmag. I really haven't been able to do hardly any painting these last four years or so, but saying that I did stay up until 3am last night re-honing my skills on some WH40K figures that I've had 'on the go' for ages now. It turns out that most of my paints have dried to that 'solid gloopy' stage, and a fair few of my inks have dried out completely. Looks like I'm going to have to invest in a box of GW's new washes sooner than I'd hoped, especially as my local store is going to be running a Terminator painting comp to line up with the release of Space Hulk...

Title: Re: [WM] Empire
Post by: jchaos79 on August 27, 2009, 12:10:48 PM

Quote from: Meister.Petz on August 26, 2009, 11:13:00 AM

Ok ye, vallejo colours do a much better job, but citadel are for this low painting standard much more comfortable bec. of their pots. You may want to know this tab. http://www.librarium-online.com/forums/archive/index.php/t-169833.html for vallejo-citadel colour matches.

Very useful the link, and also the paint guide. It will be great to have more of these. This summer I have no time to paint, but when I could, maybe I try to make also one of these guides. It will be great if all of us do it to see different manners of painting!

Title: Re: [WM] Empire
Post by: pw on August 31, 2009, 07:42:55 PM

Here you go, just to prove that the all the work you did on the step-by-step guide wasn't for nothing here's one of mine painted almost exactly according to your specification:

(http://i67.photobucket.com/albums/h291/Levinas/DSC03502.jpg)

Not difficult to do but it took me absolutely ages (so I guess difficult to do quickly!). I'm really pleased with the result - although they're not quite as neat as yours these chaps will do fine on the tabletop. Thanks again.

Title: Re: [WM] Empire
Post by: Meister.Petz on September 03, 2009, 09:22:30 AM

Wow ... great job 8o

... and yep - they take long =)

Title: Re: [WM] Empire
Post by: pw on September 03, 2009, 01:49:13 PM

Thanks, given that I was aiming to replicate the look you pioneered I'm delighted that you like them. As for the speed, I've stalled horribly. I'd planned to paint up a load of stuff this week (I undercoated 700 pts worth but so far (after four days) all I've got to show for my efforts is that one strip of infantry and a strip of cavalry! I'm hoping that when I get the six strips of halberdiers finished I'll find that the 8-man stands of archers are quicker to do!

Title: Re: [WM] Empire
Post by: Carrington on September 03, 2009, 02:06:51 PM

Beautiful paint jobs.

I hate to say it, but I get very interested in monochrome imperial uniforms when I think of painting up my Halberdiers.  Nuln, maybe?

Title: Re: [WM] Empire
Post by: pw on September 03, 2009, 02:22:32 PM

 ;D ;D ;D

I thought Nuln myself and haven't ruled it out despite having started the first six strips. In fact, the fact that I'm still painting those same six strips makes it all the more tempting! I guess using handgunners as 'counts as' crossbows would keep it all fluffy and nice. But just how good would an all-black army look on the tabletop? I feel a test stand coming on...

Title: Re: [WM] Empire
Post by: azrael71 on September 04, 2009, 07:40:34 AM

Very nice work.
I love the red and white scheme.

Title: Re: [WM] Empire
Post by: Carrington on September 04, 2009, 01:22:26 PM

Quote from: pw on September 03, 2009, 02:22:32 PM

;D ;D ;D

I thought Nuln myself and haven't ruled it out despite having started the first six strips. In fact, the fact that I'm still painting those same six strips makes it all the more tempting! I guess using handgunners as 'counts as' crossbows would keep it all fluffy and nice. But just how good would an all-black army look on the tabletop? I feel a test stand coming on...

I'd have to try to look for some Brunswicker Napoleonics or the like -- gold or silver facings would stand out nicely.

I'd also probably snip the musketeers and crossbowmen into singles and base 5/base -- more opportunity for a nice flocking job.

Title: Re: [WM] Empire
Post by: Stomm on September 06, 2009, 09:44:39 PM

I'll have to see if I can take a photo of the Nuln Halberdiers I painted a couple of years ago. I was painting them very carefully, but then sadly rushed the last few details to get them ready for an event, which in my view pretty much ruined the models... A shame really, as I think the wood grain on the halberds was quite good...

Title: Re: [WM] Empire
Post by: jchaos79 on September 07, 2009, 12:02:49 AM

It will be nice see those nuln units!!

I thought Nuln is famouse for its artillery... but I do not know the scheme colour

Title: Re: [WM] Empire
Post by: Stomm on September 07, 2009, 07:17:42 AM

Black....


Incidentally GW have released called "Uniforms and Heraldry of The Empire", which I imagine would be a useful painting reference resource, especially for those who don't also play an Empire army in WH since their first army book, and thus have all of the army books to use as a reference guide...