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Battlefleet Gothic => [BFG] Discussion => Topic started by: Gorlak on July 29, 2013, 02:22:15 PM
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Hello all,
I finally found some time this weekend to start on the box of pieces that I ordered in those horrible last days when we discovered GW were stopping production of BFG models. As such, it rekindled my interest in creating the Vengeful Spirit as a centre piece for my (new) Chaos fleet. Frustratingly, given my research last night, I did not buy the models at the time that I require for my plan of this model.
Before I dive headlong into eBay for the ships (I'm already watching all the Battleships on there...) I wondered if anyone is willing to sell any unwanted Battleship models? I am after;
1x Retribution
1x Chaos Battleship (preferably Despoiler, but not too fussy!)
I thought I'd try on here first as it avoids ebay fees for the seller and, frankly, I'd rather see the money stay within this community! That, and I thought here would have the best chance of someone having such a spare/no-longer-needed model. ;)
The concept is as per the diagram:
(http://imageshack.com/a/img849/3717/1s0u.jpg)
I've altered the tone of the constiuant parts to make it clear what is from what. This is obviously only a very quick mock-up. This is an attempt to have something that can represent what we now know is referred to as the 'Gloriana' class battleship. Any further suggestions are of course welcome.
The other ship I'd like to make is my Blood Angel Venerable Battlebarge (http://www.forum.specialist-arms.com/index.php?topic=3268.msg26317#msg26317), which would require a Despoiler prow (hence my prefernce for a Despoiler model above!) and any Imperial Battleship. I appreciate the chances of 2 Imperial Battleships and a Despoiler being available are slim to none however.
It is definitely a long shot, but thought it worth a try asking on here. I am happy to pay via Paypal or whatever you prefer, just wanted to see what people had, one way or another.
Cheers,
H
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Hello all,
I have managed to get my hands on the first ship needed (an Emperor class was the first) and am hoping to pick up the other two soon (a Despoiler and a Retribution).
My only issue now is I am not 100% certain wheather a Despoiler prow or Desolator prow would look better on an Imperial hull as my Blood Angel Venerable Battlebarge (http://www.forum.specialist-arms.com/index.php?topic=3268.msg26317#msg26317).
This photo shows a mashup with a Despoiler prow, but obviously this view can be a little misleading:
(http://imageshack.com/scaled/large/202/azgq.jpg)
I took a quick plan view photo this morning of the options to at least eye-ball the issue:
(http://imageshack.com/a/img703/3492/pssu.jpg)
Which do people think would look better on an Imperial Battleship hull? Any help appreciated!
Thanks,
H
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Apologies for the double post, but to keep the updates consistant, I've added the mock-ups below.
I'm just double checking really and asking for second opinions before chopping up models.
I've done some (very quick!) mock-ups to test the visual impact:
Option A - Despoiler:
(http://imageshack.com/a/img845/8656/wq9j.jpg)
Obtion B - Desolater:
(http://imageshack.com/a/img823/244/cgu5.jpg)
I do like the idea of the Despoiler, both for its seeming relationship/similarity to the 'modern' battlebarge prow (a sort of 'design lineage', as I mention in my other thread) and the fact that a battlebarge would focus on launch bays, which suggests the Despoiler prow.
On the other hand, the Desolater does look cool, and I keep thinking of the description of 'The Red Tear' in Fear to Tread by James Swallow (the BA Horus Heresy novel) that describes a prow like this on a Blood Angel battleship...
Tricky.
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i cant see the attached pictures for some reason... am i the only one with this problem?
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I've hosted the pics in the Public folder of my Dropbox, which seems to be working ok? I've tried replacing this with links to both a Google+ album (a truly terrible service that has become) and Skydrive (very good, but didn't seem to work when I put the links into the forum code...) but Dropbox seemed the most successful. Let me know if this persists and I'll try another route.
Cheers,
H
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http://imageshack.us/
;D
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http://imageshack.us/
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Done ;)
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I like the Despoiler prow a bit better.
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I like the despoiler prow as well. I'd also suggest using some styrene to push the launch bays and batteries a little further out of their sockets to beef them up a bit and bring them closer to the despoiler prow's lines. I did that with my Emperor (pics later in my thread when I get around to doing a second pass at her decorations) and put the gun batteries in the back to get it to look like the "Divine Right" artwork from the rulebook, and with a some detailed gap filling between the hangars, a little bit of effort goes a long way toward giving the impression of greater mass. I feel like the same sort of thing here could keep the hull in line with the prow and keep it from looking like it tapers from the prow to the stern. It would also give room to mount rows of little turrets next to the spine on top of the hangar bays... Crap, now you've got me wanting to take a try at a build like this!
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Try with the Repulsive's prow. I think it fits almost perfectly in this battleship hull. ;)
(http://www.games-workshop.com/MEDIA_CustomProductCatalog/m1184082_99110802012_BFGRepulsiveMain_445x319.jpg)
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Thank you all for the suggestions and linked images. These were the very same images I was looking at (I have Collected Visions, but not HH boardgame - google images helped) as a starting reference point.
The problem with the HH boardgame version is that it appears to simply be a variant of the Repulsive class, whcih is already smaller than both the Desolater and Despoiler - hardly fitting for Horus's flagship/a Glorina class ship that can carry Legion style forces. Therefore, an upgrade beyond this is necessary. The other difficulty is getting a-hold of a Repulsive hull to use for conversions. I don't even have a stock Repulsive in my collection, let alone one for conversions! :-[ (damn you GW...)
So, an update. I have now sourced an Emperor, a Retribution and a Despoiler as the basis of the conversions. From these, I am hoping for a Venerable Battlebarge (comparable to Despoiler class) for my Blood Angels and the Vengeful Spirit.
Venerable Battlebarge (Blood Angels):
Having test fitted some options and components, I feel the original plan of a Despoiler prow on an Emperor class is not working. I can't get the image of a spanner out of my mind... :o So, an alternative option is needed. A stock Despoiler, converted to have side armour (as the modern BB) and Imperial weaponry is looking good. This does mean the Despoiler components wouldn't be available for the Vengeful Spirit though...
Vengeful Spirit (Sons of Horus/Black Legion):
Now, this has been the hardest to reconcile. The previous plan was a Retribution with additional Chaos Battleship upper hull at the rear, in the style of the Grand Cruisers. As mocked up here:
(https://dl-web.dropbox.com/get/G33K/BFG/Vengeful%20Spirit%20Diagram_01.jpg?w=AAAp8CrWKNRjEBtB4LGH8m83yHbgYIRnkSzL_PGwuRPMcQ)
However, this may not be possible and doesn't really fir with the consensus I'm getting from the forum.
Having tried a few options and components though, a new plan is forming, particularly taking inspiration from the ongoing Heresy Era Battlebarge threads and this image:
(http://images1.wikia.nocookie.net/__cb20110314225821/warhammer40k/images/a/a0/The_Vengeful_Spirit.jpg)
So, what does everyone think of this double-decker version -
(http://imageshack.com/a/img593/6500/5fcd.jpg)
Too much? I'm worried it might be...
I am not sure whether to go for this, obviously with some fairly extensive work to get the prow right, or go for a version using the Chaos Battleship upper hull and try(!) and source a Repulsive prow and/or hull for the conversion. Decisions decisions! Any help or opinions are of course welcome!
Thanks,
H
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Too tall, needs to be longer!
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Gah, this was my fear also. Not the best option then. Perhaps it has to be the Chaos Battleship top hull and Imperial Battleship main hull, like a scaled up Vengeance Grand Cruiser. The prow is the tricky bit. A Repulsive would be good, but I think its going to simply be too expensive to do.
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Gah, this was my fear also. Not the best option then. Perhaps it has to be the Chaos Battleship top hull and Imperial Battleship main hull, like a scaled up Vengeance Grand Cruiser. The prow is the tricky bit. A Repulsive would be good, but I think its going to simply be too expensive to do.
That is similar to my current thinking on the VS: Chaos Battleship upper hull extended to four bays long, with an Imperial battleship lower hull and Desolator prow. This will make a very large and imposing (intimidating) ship, but won't be a simple build. See top and side mockups below. After comparing the Desolator and Repulsive prows I prefer the Desolator for this application. Its quite a bit longer than the Repulsive prow and fits the HH novel descriptions (broad spearpoint) better IMHO.
A simpler version would be: Chaos Battleship upper hull with a Vengeance cruiser lower hull and Desolator prow.
Version 1
(http://i16.photobucket.com/albums/b44/timdps/Battlefleet%20Gothic/Vengsp_zpsb75360a8.jpg) (http://s16.photobucket.com/user/timdps/media/Battlefleet%20Gothic/Vengsp_zpsb75360a8.jpg.html)
Your double stacked idea is good (but perhaps not for the VS), but it does need to be longer for a Heresy era battle barge based on the Imperial battleship design.
An interpretation of the Aratan:
(http://i16.photobucket.com/albums/b44/timdps/Battlefleet%20Gothic/30KAratanClassShipRev_zps80413e1d.jpg) (http://s16.photobucket.com/user/timdps/media/Battlefleet%20Gothic/30KAratanClassShipRev_zps80413e1d.jpg.html)
Another version with a stretched rear hull:
(http://i16.photobucket.com/albums/b44/timdps/30KAratanstretchscale2_zpsa54fc091.jpg) (http://s16.photobucket.com/user/timdps/media/30KAratanstretchscale2_zpsa54fc091.jpg.html)
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Would the large bay doors of the despoiler prow not be a necessary piece of a large battle barge, especially of that era?
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Would the large bay doors of the despoiler prow not be a necessary piece of a large battle barge, especially of that era?
At the time of the Heresy, Terminus Est was a unique ship. Despoiler design did not go into production until M36 and then only 15 ships. Its possible that the prow design was used on other Heresy era ships, but it seems kind of unlikely. Regular launch bays certainly are large enough to launch Thunderhawks, so the large BB front launch bays are not absolutely necessary.
The regular Space Marine battle barge existed then, so seems to me that the Marine battle barge prow would be a more likely prospect for a transplant than the Despoiler prow.
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Could've sworn that the battlebarges as we know them only came about as a result of the heresy... Or am I going crazy?
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Could've sworn that the battlebarges as we know them only came about as a result of the heresy... Or am I going crazy?
There are multiple images of the battle barge and at least one image of the strike cruiser in HHCV. Unless you can find evidence of them only coming later, the evidence says they existed during the Heresy. If you do find evidence that they did not exist then, then we just have conflicting evidence and no decision can be made...
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I figure the fleets of the Great Crusade employed a variety of ships ranging from line cruisers and battleships to dedicated planetary assault ships. For that matter, there's more than enough evidence that if it was/is capital-ship scale, and capable of deploying large numbers of Legionaries/Marines at once, then it often picked up the appellation "Battle Barge" in reference to its dual role as a warship and troop ship.
For that matter, we've got floating cannon ships in "The Battle for the Fang" Space Marine battles book, which Magnus uses to force the (Scouring/immediately post-Scouring era) Space Wolves to keep their void shields up over the Fang and keep any aircraft grounded, so there's evidence for a whole additional sub-class of floating battery monitors there too (whether custom-built or brought along for particular use, although I can't imagine many Legions using such a thing on a regular basis, other than perhaps the Iron Warriors and the Death Guard).
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Correct. Battlebarge is what it does, not what it is. They're not a class but a reason to be. The whole deal with having a marine BB model is the intersection of The Rule of Cool and Playability. :)
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I figure the fleets of the Great Crusade employed a variety of ships ranging from line cruisers and battleships to dedicated planetary assault ships.
Just read somewhere that most numerous ships during the Heresy era were grand cruisers as opposed to M41's preponderance of regular cruisers.
Going to have to find the quote again though...
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Thank you for all the great input, it is much appreciated! I didn't think the VS would be very straight forward, so discussing it here to get a reasoned consensus helps a great deal. I've been thinking about this a lot the last few days, with all the various parts spread out on my desk.
That is similar to my current thinking on the VS: Chaos Battleship upper hull extended to four bays long, with an Imperial battleship lower hull and Desolator prow. This will make a very large and imposing (intimidating) ship, but won't be a simple build. See top and side mockups below. After comparing the Desolator and Repulsive prows I prefer the Desolator for this application. Its quite a bit longer than the Repulsive prow and fits the HH novel descriptions (broad spearpoint) better IMHO.
Version 1
(http://i16.photobucket.com/albums/b44/timdps/Battlefleet%20Gothic/Vengsp_zpsb75360a8.jpg) (http://s16.photobucket.com/user/timdps/media/Battlefleet%20Gothic/Vengsp_zpsb75360a8.jpg.html)
timdp - I think you post above is very much in line with what I was thinking for the VS. Your thoughts on the prow (Desolater vs Repulsive) in particular are very interesting. As I said before, getting hold of a Repulsive prow (or ship) will likely be very difficult now, so I was coming to the conclusion it would actually be easier to model it in CAD (Rhino or Sketchup) and have it 3D printed. Its depressing when that is the 'easier' option! ;) However, this does open up the opportunity to alter the Repulsive prow slightly. I can model it as the Repulsive prow, but scale it appropriately to be more along the size/proportions of the Desolator prow. This should then fit more as a model and also refers back to the image in the HH board game.
Given the above, would anyone with a Repulsive prow be so kind to provide some measurements for it? This would probably be easiest and most useful as photos alongside a ruler, if at all possible. I had a quick look on Google Image search, but no joy. The closest was our very own Armiger84's blog (http://armiger84.blogspot.co.uk/2013_05_01_archive.html), but that didn't have quite the right dimensions needed. It would be very much appreciated if anyone has such info!
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Can´t wait to see it assembled!
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Could've sworn that the battlebarges as we know them only came about as a result of the heresy... Or am I going crazy?
There are multiple images of the battle barge and at least one image of the strike cruiser in HHCV. Unless you can find evidence of them only coming later, the evidence says they existed during the Heresy. If you do find evidence that they did not exist then, then we just have conflicting evidence and no decision can be made...
Actually, they were build after the heresy. But then GW / horus nonsense messed up history.
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Actually, they were build after the heresy. But then GW / horus nonsense messed up history.
Hi Horizon,
Which source material talks about this? I'm new at this so must have missed it.
thanks.
tim
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iirc a White Dwarf article.
But also if you read the fluff entry in Armada about Space Marines it is written from a point that the IN does not know the exact specifications of Barges. From that on one can read that they have no historical info on them.
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I guess that Battle Barges before the Horus Heresy could have been many different kinds of ships, as we've seen in the old cardgame artwork. However, the introduction of the Codex Astartes and the separation of powers meant the Astartes weren't allowed to have certain types of ships anymore. It's possible that from that moment the type of ship we now know as the Battle Barge was the single type of ship that was allowed to fulfill that role for the newly formed Chapters.
It might also explain why some first and second founding chapters might have some different classes of ships around, kind of as relics from the Crusade/Heresy.
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Psst, look at this: http://blogfleetgothic.blogspot.nl/2010/05/vaisseau-noir-super-lourd-de.html
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That's actually pretty awesome looking... Damn.
The sex pop-under ad was not so nice though >.>
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Well then I am glad I have an add blocker in all browsers I use (opera and next and Firefox before).
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Psst, look at this: http://blogfleetgothic.blogspot.nl/2010/05/vaisseau-noir-super-lourd-de.html
Interesting. A Repulsive expanded and configured more like a Vengeance with LBs to make it a battle barge.
Doing something similar using a Desolator hull and prow will get closer to Vengeful Spirit IMO.
A couple of possibilities:
(http://i16.photobucket.com/albums/b44/timdps/Battlefleet%20Gothic/Chaos_Desolatorfinal_zpsf8a03756.jpg) (http://s16.photobucket.com/user/timdps/media/Battlefleet%20Gothic/Chaos_Desolatorfinal_zpsf8a03756.jpg.html)
Emperor with Desolator prow and front upper hull:
(http://i16.photobucket.com/albums/b44/timdps/Battlefleet%20Gothic/EmperorBattleshipmodfinal_zpsccca7df0.jpg) (http://s16.photobucket.com/user/timdps/media/Battlefleet%20Gothic/EmperorBattleshipmodfinal_zpsccca7df0.jpg.html)
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The Desolator-based approach might be the better of those two...
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Personally I like the one with the Emperor class hull better, but I'd still add the prow of the Repulsive to it.
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Perhaps combining some of the Desolator pieces with Imperial parts on the aft section of the hull?
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Here is the complete (extended) Desolator upper hull on top of the Emperor lower hull. Design and space conflict issues will have to be resolved the in engines/rudder area. This is really just an enlarged grand cruiser in its design and looks to me to be a good direction for the VS assuming the engines rudder area can be resolved.
Note that four Chaos weapons bays are the same length as three Imperial weapons bays.
(http://i16.photobucket.com/albums/b44/timdps/Battlefleet%20Gothic/Emperordesolatorcross_zps52f0c8a7.jpg) (http://s16.photobucket.com/user/timdps/media/Battlefleet%20Gothic/Emperordesolatorcross_zps52f0c8a7.jpg.html)
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My main concern is the prow, as currently it has no relation to the rest of the lower half of the vessel.
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My main concern is the prow, as currently it has no relation to the rest of the lower half of the vessel.
The photochop above is just a quickie mockup, call it a sketch. :-) I foresee some mods to the prow. One possibility is dropping the prow a bit lower the same way a Vengeance prow is lower on its hull. Another thought is to turn the prow into the the literal image of the description, a spearpoint, including making the prow deeper.
(http://i16.photobucket.com/albums/b44/timdps/Battlefleet%20Gothic/Desolatorprow1_zpsdfc4adaa.jpg) (http://s16.photobucket.com/user/timdps/media/Battlefleet%20Gothic/Desolatorprow1_zpsdfc4adaa.jpg.html)
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i think the very top image is hte better one, looks more streamline and less bulky, but still like it an pak a punch and lead an assult
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Here is the complete (extended) Desolator upper hull on top of the Emperor lower hull. Design and space conflict issues will have to be resolved the in engines/rudder area. This is really just an enlarged grand cruiser in its design and looks to me to be a good direction for the VS assuming the engines rudder area can be resolved.
Note that four Chaos weapons bays are the same length as three Imperial weapons bays.
(http://i16.photobucket.com/albums/b44/timdps/Battlefleet%20Gothic/Emperordesolatorcross_zps52f0c8a7.jpg) (http://s16.photobucket.com/user/timdps/media/Battlefleet%20Gothic/Emperordesolatorcross_zps52f0c8a7.jpg.html)
Thank you for putting these together timdp, they are very useful. The one you show here is very much where I was heading from the discussions we've been having in this thread. My feeling though is still to go with an up-scaled prow based on the Repulsive prow, 3D modeled and printed. Essentially I am imagining the Repulsive prow made slightly larger to address the concerns of fitting, mentioned above, and to add some structure below, similar to the area that has been stretched in your Desolator image above. I will model this in either Rhinoceros or Sketchup when I am back from Sicily next week.
In related news, I have now managed to purchase a (painfully) expensive Repulsive from eBay, which will form the basis of the 3D model and should make modelling that much easier to reference. I will of course be posting work in-progress images here.
I have also started making enquires about 3D printing services. imakr (http://www.iMakr.com/) have a physical show room near me in Clerkenwell, London, but their machines there aren't really of a high enough resolution. I have had a look at i.materialise.com (http://i.materialise.com/) and there is of course Shapeways.com (http://www.shapeways.com/), but I've not had expeirence with either. I may ask what people where using over on TacComms as that always looked excellent.
As always, thank you all for the invaluable input!
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Have been looking at the HHCV Vengeful Spirit pic a bit more and have decided we are not even close regarding the scale of the VS. Take a close look at the weapons bays area in this pic. Note the double stacked rows of five weapons batteries. Now start laying out a bunch of weapons batteries out on the workbench in the same layout as the pic... Each one of those five battery bays is about 4" long in BGF scale. An Emperor is 5" long in BFG scale. All of those itty bitty ships in the background are probably battleships...
In Flight of the Eisenstein, Garro notes that the accelerator cannons on the VS are twice as long as Mortarian's flagship Endurance. Endurance appears to be a grand cruiser in HHCV and a BFG grand cruiser is 5" long making the accelerator cannons about 10" long, which is about how long they appear to be compared to the 4" long weapons bays.
Going by the sizes of the weapons bays, the VS is at least 16" long in BFG scale. Given that the IW Iron Blood from the new FW Extermination book is more than 11" long, 16"+ does not seem wrong for the VS...
Put that in yer pipe an smoke it....
Tim
Vengeful Spirit (Sons of Horus/Black Legion):
However, this may not be possible and doesn't really fir with the consensus I'm getting from the forum.
Having tried a few options and components though, a new plan is forming, particularly taking inspiration from the ongoing Heresy Era Battlebarge threads and this image:
(http://images1.wikia.nocookie.net/__cb20110314225821/warhammer40k/images/a/a0/The_Vengeful_Spirit.jpg)
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There is also this new artwork for the cover of the new Vengeful Spirit novel, presumably showing the Vengeful Spirit:
(http://i16.photobucket.com/albums/b44/timdps/Battlefleet%20Gothic/VengefulSpirit-Art4_zps8e462fe0.jpg) (http://s16.photobucket.com/user/timdps/media/Battlefleet%20Gothic/VengefulSpirit-Art4_zps8e462fe0.jpg.html)
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Iffy image to establish size, it looks pretty..... small in comparision.
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Iffy image to establish size, it looks pretty..... small in comparision.
If you are talking about the novel cover, I agree, no way to establish size, but it does show a relatively standard Imperial prow and an amazingly tall weapons bay section. much like the CV illustration. Check out the second (upper) row of lights through the clouds/smoke and then the ship structure (or guns firing) in the cloud/smoke hole above that (above and to the right of the uppermost Thunderhawk).
The CV image however, makes it pretty easy to establish size:
(http://i16.photobucket.com/albums/b44/timdps/Battlefleet%20Gothic/15bays_zps5124d19d.jpg) (http://s16.photobucket.com/user/timdps/media/Battlefleet%20Gothic/15bays_zps5124d19d.jpg.html)
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Have been looking at that pic a bit more and have decided we are not even close regarding the scale of the VS. Take a close look at the weapons bays area in this pic. Note the double stacked rows of five weapons batteries. Now start laying out a bunch of weapons batteries out on the workbench in the same layout as the pic... Each one of those five battery bays is about 4" long in BGF scale. An Emperor is 5" long in BFG scale. All of those itty bitty ships in the background are probably battleships...
Holy... You have a point there, and it's terrifying. I... I want a piece of this.
Put that in yer pipe an smoke it....
Done and done.
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Hi guys,
I don't know if this can help, but I did a quick 3d mockup of the model based on the illustration, to see how it would turn out! And it's terrifying....
Cruiser for scale!
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Hi guys,
I don't know if this can help, but I did a quick 3d mockup of the model based on the illustration, to see how it would turn out! And it's terrifying....
As it should be!
Thanks for mocking this up Armand! Gives a pretty good idea of the massive size of the VS. What is the BFG model scale length of your mockup? Looks like you have not added engines yet though.
When you next work on it,you might want to stack the weapons batteries four high like the illustration, instead of three. There seem to be two banks stacked above the weapons batteries (at least in the front bay) that might be launch bays or possibly lance decks with the light blobs being lance turrets. I'm currently thinking lance decks... The center vertical strip weapons look like bombardment cannons to me. Black areas at the bottom of the bays are probably launch bays for fighters and flight decks for larger landing ships as well.
Will be doing a small order on your Shapeways store soon. :-)
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By my reckoning it's 4 decks of weapon batteries, above that is two decks of lance or large launch bays, and two decks of launch bays among the weapon batteries on the lower two decks. It also appears to have prow torpedoes.
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New illustration that could be the Vengeful Spirit, given the five wide banks of gun batteries.
I have no idea where the illustration comes from.
(http://i16.photobucket.com/albums/b44/timdps/Battlefleet%20Gothic/vengefulSpirit_zps2543bf2a.jpg) (http://s16.photobucket.com/user/timdps/media/Battlefleet%20Gothic/vengefulSpirit_zps2543bf2a.jpg.html)
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That picture is from HH book 2, IIRC
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That images stems from deviant art:
http://www.deviantart.com/art/Fire-Everything-117678230
Someone made it for his brother's birthday.
Here is a Necron re-design from him...
(http://th09.deviantart.net/fs70/PRE/f/2013/180/1/2/ship_by_adamburn-d6b6sod.jpg)
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Thanks Horizon!
This is quite a piece of work (called Fire Everything) and the Necron redesign is great as well.
I would think that he used the HHCV illustration of the Vengeful Spirit as a starting point...
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in this is a picture of a Gloriana ship (mid left hand side, bottom of teh 40k stuff)
http://www.nerdist.com/wp-content/uploads/2014/09/Sci-Fi-Ships-Updated-PIC.jpg
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in this is a picture of a Gloriana ship (mid left hand side, bottom of teh 40k stuff)
http://www.nerdist.com/wp-content/uploads/2014/09/Sci-Fi-Ships-Updated-PIC.jpg
Pretty sure that we do not have any confirmation that the Iron Blood is a Gloriana class ship.
More discussion of the Iron Blood and the other two ships pictured in Extermination here:
http://www.forum.specialist-arms.com/index.php?topic=6209.15
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The problem with the HH boardgame version is that it appears to simply be a variant of the Repulsive class, whcih is already smaller than both the Desolater and Despoiler - hardly fitting for Horus's flagship/a Glorina class ship that can carry Legion style forces.
I had dismissed the HH boardgame version as well because of the big Repulsive bottom fin, but after looking at this image I'm no longer sure of the dismissal. The bottom center of weapons bay area has the same diagonal lines as the HHCV VS image. The wepons bay are appears to be 5 weapon bays tall as well. Prow looks a bit different from a Repulsive too. Can anyone who has the game post a good image of the ship?
(http://i16.photobucket.com/albums/b44/timdps/Battlefleet%20Gothic/HHbdgame%20VS_zpsb9nnwglk.jpg) (http://s16.photobucket.com/user/timdps/media/Battlefleet%20Gothic/HHbdgame%20VS_zpsb9nnwglk.jpg.html)
Also regarding Space Marine battle barges during the Great Crusade: Found another bit of text in Extermination just above the ship list. I guess the bit in bold clarifies that M41 style battle barges did exist during the Heresy.
"Battleships or Battle Barges
Battleships are the principal/capital class of warship in the Armada Imperialis
Range 8-12 km in length, though some were constructed far larger.
Battle Barges are any variant or retrofit of Battleship class hulls modified and optimized for use by the Legiones Astartes specifically for Space Marine planetary assault and ship-to-ship boarding actions.
Purpose-built Battle Barges have also been constructed, particularly in the Great Crusade’s later years.
In common parlance, any capital class vessel used by the Legiones Astartes exclusively is often referred to as a Battle Barge regardless of the technical truth of the matter."
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I had dismissed the HH boardgame version as well because of the big Repulsive bottom fin, but after looking at this image I'm no longer sure of the dismissal. The bottom center of weapons bay area has the same diagonal lines as the HHCV VS image. The weapons bay are appears to be 5 weapon bays tall as well. Prow looks a bit different from a Repulsive too.
Oh well, never mind. The turrets are huge making the ship very small...
(http://i16.photobucket.com/albums/b44/timdps/Battlefleet%20Gothic/game%20Vengeful%20spirit_zpsiev3jr63.jpg) (http://s16.photobucket.com/user/timdps/media/Battlefleet%20Gothic/game%20Vengeful%20spirit_zpsiev3jr63.jpg.html)
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Call me stupid but what boardgame is that from? :o
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FFG Horus Heresy