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Specialist Games General Discussion => Modeling & painting => Warmonger Miniatures => Topic started by: Dave on May 29, 2014, 08:41:31 PM
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The Kickstarter is live!
https://www.kickstarter.com/projects/1765086496/10mm-german-landsknechte-with-zweihander-great-swo
It's slated to end on Sunday, June 22, 2014 at 11:59 PM EDT.
The prices are lower than what we talked about before and shipping will be an additional fee to be charged when your pledge is ready to ship (aiming for November at this point).
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Edit: 2014-10-02 -
The Landsknechte with Zweihänder (Great Swords) (http://warmonger-miniatures.com/store/10mm-landsknechte/zweihander-great-swords.html) and Landsknecht Pikeniere (Pikemen) (http://warmonger-miniatures.com/store/10mm-landsknechte/pikeniere-pikemen.html) are now available up on the Warmonger Miniatures website (http://warmonger-miniatures.com/).
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Live and it has it's first $20 ;D
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Whoooooo! 1% funded!
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Well, you've got to start somewhere ;)
C'mon guys, get pledging!
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5% now!
Oh this is exciting!
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Thanks for the support guys. If you have any questions feel free to ask here or on Kickstarter.
Nearly at 15% now.
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I will be committing to buy.....
I've also sent out a message to the Downunder Warmaster players to see about a combined bigger pledge. Hopefully it will all go well.
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I'll pick up 4 units in a combined pledge, Big Red.
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I will be in too... just need to figure how to get the Visa-pledge past the Warden
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Do you have any concept sketches for the Pikemen, Arbelesters and Handgunners? Are they going to be closer to German Empire style or more like Swiss/Italian style?
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No sketches, I told Bob what I was after and he ran with it. The stretch goals would be in the same style as the Zweihander. In terms of the Pikemen, here's what I was thinking:
- 1 Command strip facing the narrow edge (bearer walking with banner flowing behind him, and a flute player behind him)
- 2 Rank and File strips facing the narrow edge (front figures in "charge for horse", back figures in "port")
- 4 Rank and File strips facing the wide edge (readiness/walking positions)
Units would come with 1/5/9 respectively.
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good news
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50% in around 28 hours? :o
Awesome. Thanks to everyone who's backed so far. Lesson learned though, next time I'll get LeVar Burton to do a video for me. :P
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Got a pledge in too.
It would be great to see some pics of the pikes as soon as possible, as I could be in for some of them too (even though I have lots of pikes already!)
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Thanks Forbes.
Once we make the stretch goal I'll ask Bob to start work on them. All my costs (sculpts, shipping stuff, business stuff) have been out of pocket thus far, I don't want to add another sculpt commission to that if they're not a sure thing though.
However, if they're made and you didn't pledge for any I'd be willing to throw them in the same box so you can save on shipping. They'd be at $10 each, not at your "extra units" cost (there's got to be some incentive to pledge :P).
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Fair enough - though the way the total is going so far, that stretch goal my get there fairly soon!
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2 days in out of 24 and it's at 75%, I think we can consider that a vote of confidence. =-P
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Indeed, some popular product you got going there. I hate to see what these private iniatives will do to the insane Ebay pricing of Warmaster stuff in the long run. No, not really, actually I'm loving it! :D
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limited run minis? probably not at all.
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2 days in out of 24 and it's at 75%, I think we can consider that a vote of confidence. =-P
:) :)
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94% of the way there, impressive ;D ;D
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I've pledged indirectly, via Forbes (for 4 units of zweihanders, as I originally stated). We're combining to save on shipping.
Dave
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Thanks Dave.
Would people be interested in Halberdiers as well? They wouldn't be overly useful for a DoW army (unless you use the Zweihanders as Marauders and the Halberdiers as Swordsmen, or something to that effect) but for Empire players or historical gamers they'd definitely be useful.
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Personally, not really interested in halderdiers, as I have lots of GW ones. For nice sculpts might go for 1 or 2 units to add a bit of variety.
If halderdiers can be easily created from the swordsman or pikemen then it would be a quick way to expand your range.
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Myself, I'd be interested in a unit that would fulfil the birdman role. =-p
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Just an update, I've had two decreases and four cancellations this past week. I'm assuming the decreases are due to people taking back anything they might have pledged towards pikemen. The cancellations, perhaps the fickle nature of wargamers?
I'm currently running the numbers for getting the Pikemen sculpted at the current pledge amount (read that as "how much will I be in the hole if I get them sculpted"). I'm not promising anything, just making you all aware.
If they get done, and you want to add them to your order AFTER the Kickstarter finishes (and save on shipping) that'll be doable for $10 each, regardless of your pledge level.
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Bummer about the reductions/cancellations. I'm reaching out by email to folks I know who play Warmaster, and I'll open up another TMP thread as the Kickstarter end approaches.
That really sucks that TMP doesn't let you post news items any more without being an advertiser.
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Thanks for the info Dave.
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The average KS cancellation rate is approximately 5%-8%, so I am told. Its entirely normal that a few people back out for a variety of reasons - changing their minds, not having the cash they thought, unexpected bills, etc - and says nothing about the products that they backed.
As it stands, with 4 days to go, you are at about 106% of the target, so well done for this. Even with an 8% cancellation, you are looking at $1956 before Amazon takes their 9%(?).
Congratulation.
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Dave,
I'm one of the French backers - ordered 8 units, hoping there will be a mix of pike and swords. Thanks for making this happen.
And thanks to Vincent who offered to group our order, and I hope we'll get to see zweihander, pike, paymasters, civilians, woodelves, dwarf miners, and many many more.. :)
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Back up to 40 people now and $2202. :D
I'm surprised a trader hasn't put in a largish backing, such that he could have a stock of, say, 50 units. Trader adds a few percent and sells them on. Everyone's happy.
There's obviously a demand for these figures, disappointing that no established firm is switched on enough to offer to be a dealer?
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Thanks guys.
@andys - Ya, probably because it's a Kickstarter and not an actual product at this point. Maybe once I'm up an running that might be a possibility.
The backer response was what I was hoping to get so I'm happy at this point. It's my foot in the door, so to speak. If I can get another 2-3 units sculpted over the coming 12 months I'll be happy.
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There's just over 14 hours to go if anyone's interested in pledging and hasn't yet. We're currently sitting at 2280.
https://www.kickstarter.com/projects/1765086496/10mm-german-landsknechte-with-zweihander-great-swo
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Funded! Congratulations Dave :D :D :D
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Thanks andys.
KS has already collected the funds and I've e-mailed Bob about starting the Pikemen.
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Congrats Dave! Looking forward to seeing those pikemen.
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Great news Dave! I didn't contribute this time, too many other things on my list, but I'm really happy these are going ahead. Maybe when those pikemen are done I'll have some spare cash...
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Congrats Dave!
Not sure what the snafu was on my end - probably the lousy internets in the hotel lobby I ordered them from and now I'm back too late for the KS; however, we'll connect separately, I'm excited to see these and participate in your next KS!!
Awesome to see you out of the gates and off to the races!
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I was to late for the kick starter , how do I go about ordering 4 units of the swordsmen ?
Stuart
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Once the KS pledges have shipped I'll be putting them up on the Warmonger website.
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Hey guys, looking for your thoughts on the Pikemen:
https://www.kickstarter.com/projects/1765086496/10mm-german-landsknechte-with-zweihander-great-swo/posts/893166
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Sounds good to me. Looks like you've got all the bases covered. I would second the opinion someone has already mentioned that the strength of the pikes is going to be something to watch out for. You wouldn't want them to bend too easily, or worse, break but I'm sure you'll already have this in mind. Looking forward to seeing them.
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I got an e-mail from Bob today, hopefully I'll have some pics of the dollies this week for you guys.
I ended up going with the banner/musician strip in line as per the suggestions on the French forum (most banners were in the middle of a block). Also, there's now going to be 4 rank and file strips in line, and 3 in column. You'll get 6 in column strips per unit (2 per base) and 8 in line strips (those plus the banner/musician strip will mean 3 per base). So each base will be laid out something like the attached. All the figs will be able to be separated if you like, so you can arrange your units however you want if you're not a fan of the layout pictured.
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I just got this pic from Bob this morning. He said they should be done in the next week to ten days
Pikemen Dollies Pikemen Dollies
(https://lh4.googleusercontent.com/-_9y84Y7vdxc/U70pKWVBfWI/AAAAAAAARRo/RHOohdzmzeM/s640/unnamed.jpg) (https://lh4.googleusercontent.com/-_9y84Y7vdxc/U70pKWVBfWI/AAAAAAAARRo/RHOohdzmzeM/s1024/unnamed.jpg)
You guys will also be getting one more rank and file Zweihander strip. Either unit will now have two of each rank and file and a banner/musician strip (15 strips/30 figures total).
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Missed the Zweihänders! The would be great addition to my Empire army. But I guess they will be available even in the future.
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Nice to see the pikemen prototypes. However, I would probably stay with one pose in the case of "receive and ready" guys. They should behave like a unit and each pose had actually a precise meaning. Just check the famous de Gheyn's The Exercise of Arms.
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Yep, once the backers have theirs shipped out they'll be up on the Warmonger website.
The front of the three in column strips will be "charge for horse" poses (three on left), and the back of each the "at port (three on right).
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Late on the comment, but very glad to have supported this! They'd see more use for historicals on my end. Forgive me if I've missed it, about roughly would you believe the Kickstarter ones will be going out? I'm not often on the internet, so don't want to miss paying the postage!
Can't wait to see some meat on those pikes!
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November is what I said on KS, although it's looking like more August/September now.
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I'd better crack on with the 8 units of crossbowmen, 2 units of camel riders and a steam tank that I've still not even started yet then! No rest for the wicked! ;D
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Pike with a bit of meat:
(https://lh5.googleusercontent.com/-PBBeNAfWLoA/U8QOKwdJdaI/AAAAAAAARR8/CTYay4bSWE8/s640/unnamed.jpg) (https://lh5.googleusercontent.com/-PBBeNAfWLoA/U8QOKwdJdaI/AAAAAAAARR8/CTYay4bSWE8/s1920/unnamed.jpg)
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Oh wow they look beautiful!
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Nice progress... :)
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Hi Dave,
Would be interessted in some units of swordmen for my DoW.
Birdmen would be cool, too. Pikeniers I have enough self-produced.
Regards,
Jurisch
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Round two:
(https://lh4.googleusercontent.com/-nT052Vh1uUA/U86RSxIOHtI/AAAAAAAARS4/p_Ot_s1szqk/s640/unnamed.jpg) (https://lh4.googleusercontent.com/-nT052Vh1uUA/U86RSxIOHtI/AAAAAAAARS4/p_Ot_s1szqk/s1440/unnamed.jpg)
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Ahhh these are gorgeous!
I must admit I was a bit skeptical of pikemen as there were other options available - but man these are great, love the musician on the right, there.
Well. That's 2 Dogs of War units almost available. =D
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Wish I had seen that kickstarter in time... 8)
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What a month or two and they'll be available.
There's another interesting KS going on at the moment:
https://www.kickstarter.com/projects/324283889/potato-salad
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Hi
I made an initial pledge on the Kick-starter of 4 units I would like to also add 4 units of the pike how do I do this
Regards
Paul
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2nd to last paragraph Paul:
https://www.kickstarter.com/projects/1765086496/10mm-german-landsknechte-with-zweihander-great-swo/posts/879180
I'll cover that when the surveys go out in a week or two, and I'll invoice you for them along with the shipping when they're ready to ship.
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Big ol' final shots time!
(https://lh5.googleusercontent.com/-B-gsio-Rpgs/U9xGy_7hb6I/AAAAAAAARTo/7q01-H3XWr0/s640/command%20and%20extra%20zwei%20strip%20height%20of%20pic%2040mm.jpg) (https://lh5.googleusercontent.com/-B-gsio-Rpgs/U9xGy_7hb6I/AAAAAAAARTo/7q01-H3XWr0/s3000/command%20and%20extra%20zwei%20strip%20height%20of%20pic%2040mm.jpg)
(https://lh4.googleusercontent.com/-rU-CJgF98vQ/U9xG0Gorg4I/AAAAAAAARUU/3ZYpLXA_nZ4/s640/pikemen%202%20height%20of%20pic%2025mm.jpg) (https://lh4.googleusercontent.com/-rU-CJgF98vQ/U9xG0Gorg4I/AAAAAAAARUU/3ZYpLXA_nZ4/s4000/pikemen%202%20height%20of%20pic%2025mm.jpg)
(https://lh5.googleusercontent.com/-iu3GxjnWomI/U9xG09vlJhI/AAAAAAAART4/5k1h8Ew77dU/s640/pikemen%20pic%20height%20of%20pic%2038mm.jpg) (https://lh5.googleusercontent.com/-iu3GxjnWomI/U9xG09vlJhI/AAAAAAAART4/5k1h8Ew77dU/s4000/pikemen%20pic%20height%20of%20pic%2038mm.jpg)
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All I can say is "When do you want my money...??"
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They look excellent!!!
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Absolutely beautiful, love them!
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Looking very cool . ;)
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Greens are in the mail, and surveys went out to the backers today.
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These are all so beautiful - can't wait to see them in the flesh!
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Greens have arrived, I should be able to pick them up Monday. Assuming everything's good I'm hoping to get them down to the mold guy Tuesday or Wednesday.
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I would say that these are of the quality of GW sculpts, which is the best compliment I can give 10mm models. =D
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I'm pretty happy with them too. I needed to touch up a few things yesterday but now they're down at my caster as of this morning.
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Good news - do you have an ETA for them being cast?
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Nothing official, I'm guessing the end of the month though.
He did a test master mold today with one strip. The vulcanization had to be cooler than normal so took a little longer, the master and green apparently came out good though.
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Heading down tomorrow morning to take a look at the masters. The pikes might see a brass rod introduced before casting to strengthen then. That's dependent on cost and quality, however.
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Yeah I think I'm going to have to give in and get a few of both these units!
Are the sales looking strong enough to warrant you moving onto crossbowmen? (I seem to remember you saying that was next after pikemen)
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The backers have pre-ordered an additional 100 units beyond what sold on KS. Assuming those all come through I'm in pretty good shape finance-wise, hopefully I'll sell some more too once they're up on the website.
Given that, another unit would be in the cards this year. It'll either be crossbowmen, handgunners or halberdiers.
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It's so good to see the progress this project is making - I'm already planning paint schemes for my pikemen and swordsmen.
Given that, another unit would be in the cards this year. It'll either be crossbowmen, handgunners or halberdiers.
This is fantastic news, but from a purely selfish perspective I'd be really pleased if the sculpts are substantially different to the WM Empire equivalents - I have plenty of those. Perhaps the crossbowmen could be in heavy armour?
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Given that, another unit would be in the cards this year. It'll either be crossbowmen, handgunners or halberdiers.
But there are no Halberdiers in a DoW army.
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Yes, but these are meant equally for historical or as Empire proxies as well as use for DoW.
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Yep, aiming for historical accuracy (so crossbowmen will have a breast plate at most, depending on what my research turns up) and proxies for both DoW and Empire.
Also... MASTERS!
(https://lh5.googleusercontent.com/-u7mGae2TBd4/U_x7KEl8xgI/AAAAAAAARXc/GFD63a604ic/s640/unnamed.jpg)
(https://lh5.googleusercontent.com/-locmLALF__w/U_x7KHFoqhI/AAAAAAAARXg/_S75K5ruRZA/s640/unnamed2.jpg)
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Nice!
My vote is for "historically accurate DoW" :P :handguners/arquebusers, then crossbowmen before halberdiers.
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My Empire force doesn't have too many Halberdiers or Crossbowmen so I wouldn't be too sad to see more. Mind you, I love the idea of some primitive looking arquebusiers.
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Hi, I managed to miss this on Kickstarter (I've been away from WM for some time) and wonder if these will be for sale at some point?
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They'll be up on the WM website once I've shipped to all the backers. That's looking like September at this point.
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They'll be up on the WM website once I've shipped to all the backers. That's looking like September at this point.
Great news but on the other hand...
...D'oh! I'd better make a start on reducing the painting backlog! :'(
Curse you Dave ;) ;D
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Really good news , as I would like some swordsmen and puke units .
Stuart
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Heh, now I'm wondering what a Landsknecht Puke unit would look like. Lots of bright colors? :P
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Their favourite food would be pavement pizza :o ;)
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Great Dave!
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The caster gave me a soft delivery of Friday, we'll know for sure tomorrow.
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Looks like it'll be next Tuesday now. More pics then, assuming all goes well.
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After a minor delay due to a blown compressor, I picked up the production models this morning. I managed to spot check a few of them and grab some pictures before work. The quality is excellent from what I've seen. I'm hoping to have everyone's pledges shipped out in the next two weeks. After that they'll be up on the website for sale.
(https://lh4.googleusercontent.com/-RNctOzdjh0U/VBBAXZD6HrI/AAAAAAAASCM/GhB2IUeMmGU/s640/IMG_0030.JPG) (https://lh4.googleusercontent.com/-RNctOzdjh0U/VBBAXZD6HrI/AAAAAAAASCM/GhB2IUeMmGU/s1600/IMG_0030.JPG)
(https://lh3.googleusercontent.com/-Lui5CAa251k/VBBAXee1qRI/AAAAAAAASCM/iThJ3YWnGQY/s640/IMG_0031.JPG) (https://lh3.googleusercontent.com/-Lui5CAa251k/VBBAXee1qRI/AAAAAAAASCM/iThJ3YWnGQY/s1600/IMG_0031.JPG)
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They look excellent Dave- well done!
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So great Dave!
Figures seems perfect. Congratulation and thank you for the effort!
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These... Are perfect. I think these are the first warmaster quality sculpts produced apart from Copplestone in the past few years. =D
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Packed up 100 units of Zweihanders last night, didn't find any miscasts. There's mold lines here and there, the worst being stuff like that on the Zweihander banner pictured above. There was maybe a half dozen strips or so with flash. I'm pretty happy with the casting quality.
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Mate, that is amazing - I am so happy to see this stuff.
Can't wait to see what the arbalesters look like.
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can't wait
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I've gotta admit.... I'm a bit excited!! :) :)
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I've been ploughing my way through the lead mountain this last week or two. I've only got a unit of crossbowmen and 2 units of Ogres for my Dogs of War army left to paint (plus 18 various Empire/Dwarf/Araby/D-o-W units to finish off the basing). So these should arrive just in time to a clear painting station ;D
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Ha ha, sounds good, Andy! We expect pictures... ;-)
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Patience, patience. :)
At the moment we're looking after the middle son's rabbits and SWMBO has recaptured half of the table in the back room, so it's all a bit cramped in there.
I need to have something on the go, or she'll take over the whole table. Her scrapbooking takes up an order of magnitude more space than my stuff :(
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Ha ha, scrapbooking is it? My friend at the club just remarried and his (lovely) new wife has quilting as her hobby. It's alright because the amount of money she spends on sewing stuff means he has a perfect excuse to spend it on tin soldiers. =D
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Yep, same here. Whenever SWMBO queries how much I spend, I just quietly turn my head and look at the collection of scrapbooking stuff she's got that fills a shelving unit in the back room. 10/10 to whoever dreamed up scrapbooking, it's virtually a license to print money!
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@Andys
I'll keep that in mind for when I meet the future Mrs Stormwind. ;-)
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Invoices are out, with a few exceptions. I'll be packing and shipping each night until everything's out. Next step will be working on a simple website and automated inventory/order system.
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Cool stuff...looking forward to receiving my 4 units :)
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Wicked, can't wait to see the webstore!
Will you need to do another kickstarter for the next units?
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Not sure on another KS at this point. It'll depend on what sales look like once they're up on the website. I cleared the first third on the pledges last night, so the websites still a couple weeks out.
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I will, of course, advertise them to my local gaming group. =D
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Shipping notice received!!
Quite excited about these. ;D
Hope that we don't get clobbered by customs :-[
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Second third went out today. I'm hoping to clear the remaining invoices I have, take care of the special cases and the locals tonight. That's going to involve a lot of pikemen bagging.
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All but nine orders are now out of the door. I'm hoping to tackle those when I get back Sunday, including the massive French order (5lbs of figures).
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Looking forward for it :)
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Waiting patiently for the web store !.
I want some as well .
Stuart
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Five more orders to ship and I'm done with Kickstarter.
If people are interested in buying these once they're available can you PM me with the numbers you'd be after? If I need to have more spun up I'd like to ask ahead of time to keep on top of the orders.
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Just got my hands on these last night and they're beautiful sculpts! Well done, Dave.
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Does it make suffering through all those updates worth it?
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Does it make suffering through all those updates worth it?
Not in the least. I have contacted the Better Business Bureau, Chamber of Commerce, and the Consumer Protection Agency. My complaints are many, but fall under four broad categories:
1) too many updates
2) too few updates
3) the kickstarter was too quick, and the thread too short (three months and less than 10 pages? C'mon man, don't make other kick starters look bad!)
4) no Aztecs planned for release
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Wait, did you seriously get complaints? I can't believe it, that's nuts.
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Not really, just this:
http://www.tabletopgamingnews.com/2014/06/14/90013/#comments
My local group has since run with it, hence my too many/few updates.
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Wait, did you seriously get complaints? I can't believe it, that's nuts.
"Killing this project with too few updates" paraphrasing a complaint I saw on tmp or some such. So naturally I pick that scab whenever I have the chance :P
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Not really, just this:
http://www.tabletopgamingnews.com/2014/06/14/90013/#comments
My local group has since run with it, hence my too many/few updates.
Yeah, that's the one. I agree with that guy!
...what a dingus.
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Oh man, I'm sorry. This Is Why We Can't Have Nice Things, people!
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My order arrived today which is phenomenally fast given that you only got the ball rolling in May. Excellent work!
I've not had a chance to look over the pikemen yet, but the zweihanders are absolutely fantastic sculpts with crisp detail, loads of variety and dynamism. The casting quality is better than the GW Empire figures I was prepping at the same time (no mould lines or flash that I could detect) and they scale perfectly.
Thanks! Really looking forward to the next sets.
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Glad you like them. D&D did a great job with the casts, yes.
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hi Dave,
got mine yesterday. they are brilliant. great faces and detail to paint :0)
i'm sure i'll be getting more and anything else you and Bob create
impressive zero flash, even on the underside of the base!
many thanks
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Mine arrived in the UK today, really quick turn around on the whole project, so a big well done on the organisational part.
And as others have said the casts are amazingly clean, I don't think I have seen any flash or mold feeds on any of the figures. Excellent.
The clothing looks great, lots of slashing and bits of armour.
Still not 100% sure about cast on pikes, I do like the lack of assembly which can be hard work on small figures, but there is the problem of bendy pikes. But I think I will take lack of assembly over bendiness.
For those who want to create very dynamic units, most of the zweihanders should clip apart, but you will need fine clippers to get between the feet of some. But I think in general there are that many pairs you won't need to.
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Mine arrived today as well. They look even better in the flesh, errm, metal ;).
I'm not sure my painting skills are up to doing them justice but I'll give it a go.
Forbes, I think only one pair of Zweihanders needs to be cut, to place a couple of guys behind the standard bearer and musician.
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Hi Dave
Just received my pike and Zweihanders really pleased beautiful castings detail superb, only one pike casualty out of the 16 pike units which is very good for the mail :) can't wait to get them painted and on the table
will purchase more for sure if you produce other units.
Many Thanks
Paul
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CAUTION!!
Whilst pressing the strips into Blue Tack prior to undercoating, I've discovered the Zweihanders bend easily at the ankles.
None have broken but the first time it happened it was a little un-nerving.
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Sounds great, my wallet is ready. =-D
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Mine arrived while I was away on a trip. Marvelous little minis, great work on them!
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Glad you guys like them. In terms of snipping them apart...
Only one Zweihander strip is problematic, the crossed swords one. If you have a sharp knife it's manageable though, but will need some filing afterwords.
Each of the three front-rank pikemen strips would need to be cut as well as the plumes on the guy in the front hit the pike of the guy in back. I can't see much of a reason to separate those guys unless you're not a fan of how I laid the unit out.
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Waiting in line with the other gamers , when will they be out on general release for the rest of us ?.
As I would like swordsmen and pikemen .
Stuart
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Hoping to have it live this week.
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Hi Dave,
I received the figures, they are really nice and well done. :)
I have updated the catalogue with some pics.
Thanks for your effort and good work to make them possible.
Keep'em coming! 8)
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Thanks for updating the catalogue, Ed!
I'm a bit worried about losing those pikes in the post I must admit. x-D
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For those who have been asking, the Landsknechte with Zweihänder (Great Swords) (http://warmonger-miniatures.com/store/10mm-landsknechte/zweihander-great-swords.html) and Landsknecht Pikeniere (Pikemen) (http://warmonger-miniatures.com/store/10mm-landsknechte/pikeniere-pikemen.html) are now available up on the Warmonger Miniatures website (http://warmonger-miniatures.com/).
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And there was much rejoicing!
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Good looking page-store. Congratulations
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Despite being a backer, I admit I was rather behind on it all. Only just got that shipping charge payed. :-[
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Today I received my two units of Pikemen and two units of Swordsmen (did a bulk order with a fellow member from my country) and I am very happy with them. The sculpts and casting are fantastic, great work Dave!!!
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I'm starting to paint up my first unit of Zweihanders - and have some questions about armour.
Some of the chaps are wearing helmets (this is pretty obvious, even to me!)
Do some have breast plates? For instances the pose with the sword held two-handed over his head, and the standard bearer, what about the one holding his dagger in the right hand? Lots of the poses have their arms in front of the body, so its not too important.
Some seem to have some plates at the top of their legs - are these armour?
Ultimately in 10mm I know that I can choose to paint a chest as a breast plate, or as a puffed out jacket. But it would be good to know what the intention is (or what was typically worn historically)
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All the figs should have breastplates, yes. The parts on top of the thighs are tassets, and yes they're armor.
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Great, thanks Dave
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All the figs should have breastplates, yes. The parts on top of the thighs are tassets, and yes they're armor.
Ooops, thought they were pouches of some sort - gets the paint brush out... :-[
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These are great!! Now I just need to sell off all those 28mm models that are collecting dust...
Are there any concrete plans for future releases? As a latecomer to warmaster, halberdiers would be incredibly useful (Aswould crossbows and handguns, of course), and if I could get an entire army I this kind of quality is be very happy!
Some gendarmes wouldn't go astray, either ;)
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Once I'm a bit closer to breaking even it'll either be Halberdiers, Arquebusiers or Crossbowmen. Once the infantry's done, light and heavy cav, light and heavy artillery, and characters.
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And maybe one day, birdmen? =-P
Nah, I know, but a man can dream.
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Like the new models . When are they for general sale ?
Would quite happily support up and coming new units as I feel alot of members would .
Stuart
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@Stuart:
The link is in his signature! =-)
http://www.warmonger-miniatures.com/store/10mm-landsknechte/
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I need halberdiers more than crossbowmen, but at the same time - I reeeally want to see Bob's take on DoW style crossbowmen/arbalesters. =)
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I don't think you'll see a huge amount of money from the 'common' units (Halberdiers, Crossbowmen, etc.) as for every newbie who really needs them there's also people like me who won't get them. Maybe the newbies will make up for that in quantity bought though?
More unusual units like the birdmen will probably also not sell as well- I'd have an interest in one or two as a DoW unit, but they don't really proxy into Empire or things newer people are likely to want.
Your first model choices really were excellent for marketing.
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I don't think you'll see a huge amount of money from the 'common' units (Halberdiers, Crossbowmen, etc.) as for every newbie who really needs them there's also people like me who won't get them. Maybe the newbies will make up for that in quantity bought though?
More unusual units like the birdmen will probably also not sell as well- I'd have an interest in one or two as a DoW unit, but they don't really proxy into Empire or things newer people are likely to want.
Your first model choices really were excellent for marketing.
You're probably right. However, with the availability of decent proxies for the main armies, Warmaster has the potential for some (albeit extremely slight) growth. At the moment, I'm extremely keen on starting Warmaster, but it's incredibly difficult to convince my mates due to the lack of decent proxies for anybody but a few of the human armies.
Dave, surely you could use kickstarter to fund the entire process now? You've already provided an extremely high-quality product, so people will know the standard of models that you're producing, as well as your ability to stick to a reasonable time-frame. If there's a market for halberdiers, crossbows and handguns, that's one way to find out!
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I'd be against Kickstarter as, from what I understand, both Kickstarter and Amazon take a cut of the money. I'd argue that now that you're a bit more established, with product to show off, that it's better to move into a webstore/forum advertised business.
If I'm wrong about Kickstarter then there's no reason to not try that though.
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I'd be against Kickstarter as, from what I understand, both Kickstarter and Amazon take a cut of the money. I'd argue that now that you're a bit more established, with product to show off, that it's better to move into a webstore/forum advertised business.
If I'm wrong about Kickstarter then there's no reason to not try that though.
Good call. I think that kickstarter can push people over the edge though- they see how many others are interested, and feel some sense of accomplishment by helping to add to the total. I could be wrong though, that's just popcorn psychology. ;D
I imagine that it gives businesses a little more confidence that they'll at least break even as well- they know exactly how much they'll get and when.
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It's 5% to KS and 3-5% to Amazon. Not sure why they give a range, I was always charged 5%. In the end, it's better to think of it as an advertising fee than anything else.
If I did do another it would likely be like the last: pay for the sculpts out of pocket and have the KS fund the molding/casting.
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Fair enough. Whichever way you choose, I'm looking forward to it! Just gotta sell off some space marines so I can buy some of the pikes and greatswords!
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So I just received 2 units of the pikes and 2 units of the two-handers (just bought them from the Warmonger website).
My first impression unfortunately is coloured by the lack of protection in which they were shipped. The two-handers are fine, but a lot of the pikes are really bent and crooked.
In my experience with minaitures spears and pikes can be really hard to make genuinely straight again and the number of times they can be straightened is limited up to a point where they break after a couple of times as they become soft. Therefore it is a shame they start their new life all bent and crooked as it is bound to happen during gaming or painting as well.
The pikemen were packed in see-through plastic bags, one whole unit together in one bag and those bags were just put in a padded envelope and shipped to my country (Denmark).
I will admit I find it disappointing and lazy. It would have taken only one or two minutes to put them on a cardboard with tape to ensure the pikes weren't bent and crooked upon arrival.
That said I think these miniatures are wonderful in quality and casting and the design eclipses that of GW Warmaster miniatures to me!
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My first impression unfortunately is coloured by the lack of protection in which they were shipped. The two-handers are fine, but a lot of the pikes are really bent and crooked.
In my experience with minaitures spears and pikes can be really hard to make genuinely straight again and the number of times they can be straightened is limited up to a point where they break after a couple of times as they become soft. Therefore it is a shame they start their new life all bent and crooked as it is bound to happen during gaming or painting as well.
The pikemen were packed in see-through plastic bags, one whole unit together in one bag and those bags were just put in a padded envelope and shipped to my country (Denmark).
I will admit I find it disappointing and lazy. It would have taken only one or two minutes to put them on a cardboard with tape to ensure the pikes weren't bent and crooked upon arrival.
You're assuming that I get the pikemen with ramrod straight pikes in pristine condition. That's not how it works. I get a soda flat filled with 500 or so of each pose, complete with bent/crooked or broken pikes. I then make units out of the 8 full flats, pulling out the worst of casts (whether they be broken or miscast). To call me lazy after doing this for the 450 units I ordered is a little uncouth, especially when you consider any profit I make is going right back in to doing it all over again.
To expect me to bend every pike straight, back and tape them to card board, and then ship them out to you is unrealistic. That can't be done in 1-2 minutes per unit, and it would increase my shipping and material costs (either increasing your postage or reducing proceeds for another sculpt). When I buy from other manufactures I don't get miniatures packed like that. Granted, I can always return it if things are broken though. I offer that as well, and I'd be willing to take the miniatures back if you don't want them anymore.
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Finally got my new card and Paypal stuff updated, which means I can buy some!
Just ordered 4 pikemen units and 2 swordsmen units. Swordsmen I can proxy as Halberdiers or Skirmishers, Pikemen are a pleasure all of their own for what will be the slow trickle of proxy units needed for to make a DoW army to march into Lustria...
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I am considering start a Ottoman turk army, so Landsknechte will be great adition to our renaissance armies.
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jChaos, exactly how many points of Warmaster do you have overall? =-P
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Do not know ??? never had calculated an overall in points.
For satisfying your curiousity, right now I have more or less 370 painted units for warmaster (characters are not imput in my excell list of units). Also have a small force of vietnam, WWII and SCI FI (based in 30x30mm for CF, BKC, CWC, FWC).
The collection is owned by my brother and I. I have painted the most, but Ed also had painted some and for telling the truth I also bought some units painted. Actually Ed is lowing the scale to 6 and 2mm 8) that is also interesting for exploring another facet/aspect of warmaster game.
Anyway for returning to the main topic I hope to increase and improve our collection with some masterpieces like Dave's Landsckenettes. Wow such great figures!
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I've got 215 units and around 70 characters, just short of 22000 points. So jchaos must have nearly 40000 points in total. Impressive! :D
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I've been painting and playing WWII Eastern Front in 10mm during the summer, but 6mm Medic Wars for WMA and 2mm Napoleonics are under progress too.
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Unit count... uh.... 666
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Draccan, unless you‘re willing to swap needles in for em, pikeniere of any make, in this scale, are always at risk. Personally, I found the bends pretty acceptable. I‘ve had thicker stuff, worse off, so I‘d say job well done.
One thing to consider about making halberdiers, gunners and what, is they‘re still perfectly useful for historical games, and not just Warmaster. Case in point, my original interest in the landschnekts was for this. Certainly anyone with a lot of Empire troops won‘t be interested, but there‘s no reason they would be a hard sell.
Is anyone entering pikeniere in the painting contest? I hope I won‘t be alone in that. I‘ll have the primer photos up on tuesday or so. :D
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Well I just made my order so in a week hopefully I'll have them out and be cleaning them up and sticking them to lollipop sticks...
Then I need to pick a Regiments of Renown colour for them I might go for Pirazzo's lost legion! I like the idea of having some DoW to fight Lizardmen.
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Ok ,
Like the idea of ordering the figures . How can I order some ?.
Stuart
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http://warmonger-miniatures.com
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Ok , a little slow on the up take , and didn't read last page . However now put order in Yeah .
Stuart
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Excellent! The faster the first batch sell out - the faster we might get some halberdiers or arbalesters. =)
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I put in a restock for both units. I'm down to 6 Pikemen and 14 Swordsmen at the moment, sold 52 units so far in October. If sales keep up we'll likely see another sculpt come Decemeber/January.
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Wow, that's great to hear Dave. I really hope this all goes very well for you.
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That is excellent to hear! A Christmas present I can give to myself. =D
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Lovely! I know I‘ve definitely an interest in at least doubling what I got initially, for both.
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Good news !
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I was going to put in an order for 8 pikes this week! >:(
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My casters on the order, should have the restock next week.
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@ Hashut: I strongly recommend you do! Great models, and I'm sure Dave can make the numbers even if it means a slight postage delay (note: I have no idea if this would be the case).
After seeing Dave's post- not much delay at all, if any. Good managing.
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Yeah I'm in the UK and mine arrived - super fast despatch, thank you. =)
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Restock is in, business as usual.
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Excellent!
I've had a chance to look them over now. No broken pikes - just needed to bend them a little back to make them straight. Every sculpt is beautiful, the base bottoms are flat, don't need filing like usual - almost no flash at all.
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Got my zweihänders in the mail last week. Such nice little models!
I will use them for my VC-army as Ethereal hosts since those are so darn expensive to come by.
This will prolly look really good too ^_^
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For Ethereal hosts, this is a cheaper way of doing it:
http://hetairoiwargames.blogspot.co.uk/2013/02/wm-ethereal-host.html
I've shamelessly stolen the above idea and - using Pendraken codes ELM14, ELM19, FU14 and 50 or so mixed spare figures I had lying around - I'll end up with 6 units, costing less than £5 each.
Then you can paint your Zweihanders up as Empire or Dogs of War units to take on the ghosties ;)
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For Ethereal hosts, this is a cheaper way of doing it:
http://hetairoiwargames.blogspot.co.uk/2013/02/wm-ethereal-host.html
I've shamelessly stolen the above idea and - using Pendraken codes ELM14, ELM19, FU14 and 50 or so mixed spare figures I had lying around - I'll end up with 6 units, costing less than £5 each.
Then you can paint your Zweihanders up as Empire or Dogs of War units to take on the ghosties ;)
Ah yes Hetairoi does really nice work in 10mm's :) Basically what I am planning to do with my zweihänders, mixed up with some other loose stuff I have lying around :)
It aint stealing if you call it inspiration! :P