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Warmaster => [WM] Warmaster Fantasy Discussion => Topic started by: jchaos79 on November 24, 2014, 01:29:41 AM
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In 2013 christmas I though a lot about brigades for Empire armylist. Finally I did not play too much this year, and I couldn't practice my theory. Today looking pictures of those days I found I took some shots about the brigades , so I am sharing with you the configurations,
please tell me if you use to play with some of them and how is your experience.
Some configurations i think are worth, others don`t but I consider because they have some reminiscence with historic formations.
Here we go: First my Empire army in Decembre 2013
(http://i648.photobucket.com/albums/uu205/jchaos79/Empire%20WM/army_zpsfa0a642a.jpg)
Then an aerial shot of the possible brigades
(http://i648.photobucket.com/albums/uu205/jchaos79/Empire%20WM/empireformation_zps81d5f567.jpg)
Here we come with cavalry, the question is: Any good about those formations?
CAV Formation 1
(http://i648.photobucket.com/albums/uu205/jchaos79/Empire%20WM/cav1_zps136b2e8d.jpg)
CAV Formation 2
(http://i648.photobucket.com/albums/uu205/jchaos79/Empire%20WM/cav2_zps8ee16f89.jpg)
CAV Formation 3
(http://i648.photobucket.com/albums/uu205/jchaos79/Empire%20WM/cav3_zps521bff72.jpg)
Now infantry brigades (skirmishers are highlighted with blue lines)
INF formation 1
(http://i648.photobucket.com/albums/uu205/jchaos79/Empire%20WM/formacion3_zps0a44d5f2.jpg)
INF formation 2 (up) INF formation 3 (down)
(http://i648.photobucket.com/albums/uu205/jchaos79/Empire%20WM/formacion2_zps38ef8c8a.jpg)
INF formation 4 (correction 4 sk)
(http://i648.photobucket.com/albums/uu205/jchaos79/Empire%20WM/formacion1_zpsf1a45cfe.jpg)
Thoughts? experience? improvements? historical correlation? utility? when to use them?
About Tercio formations, in my opinion is not for WM but it is a WMA topic: see http://www.forum.specialist-arms.com/index.php?topic=5057.0
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Cav1 cand cav3 both have irregular formations - so will be slowed down
Cav3 seems unnecessary- the stands have 360 degree Los so can just be in a line or column. Also it makes them weak if charged.
What are you trying to achieve with some of the formations? Some game advantage or something that looks good.
I rarely use clever brigades.
My only real suggestion is to have the skirmishers facing the wrong way - this gives you good LoS.
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Yep cav 1 & is in irregular formation. Cav 3 could be in regular formation as it allow in cavalry some slight tilt, but you are exposing flanks so doesn't seems very interesting too.
What I tried to do is just question to the WM ruleset about how it works with renaissance formations. I am not trying to add rules or force to use those formations. I seek something that looks good more than advantage.
I am not trying to "discover" clever brigades but some renaissance flavour in the look of the army but inside the rules.
Looking backwards is very common, I do not use it because I do not like the "look", unless I need it in a specific turn (beware boys, harpies are near, Keep and eye in the sky !).
The point of this topic is just discuss and chat about empire army
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I always pictured (still haven't painted my entire Empire army) skirmishers as looking backwards to keep opposing fliers from straying within 20 cm behind the unit.