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Battlefleet Gothic => [BFG] Discussion => Topic started by: Gothmog Lord of Balrogs on April 03, 2015, 03:23:07 AM
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LATEST DRAFT HERE 2/13/19
https://www.dropbox.com/s/zxtz8dsplzqa2qk/ASC%202.0%20draft.pdf?dl=0 (https://www.dropbox.com/s/zxtz8dsplzqa2qk/ASC%202.0%20draft.pdf?dl=0)
BLUE is complete! Green means there are rules for it, but not yet in the document!
MAIN LIST UPDATED 12/31
EVERYTHING IMPERIAL IS 100% COMPLETE!!!!
This is including Navis Mecantilis
Totals to date: 77 Vessels, 6 Fleet Lists, and the modular Navis Mercantilis. Tons of heavily researched fluff and a lot of cool pictures. 42933 words, averaging to 487.875 words per page so far (including all the picture pages)
IMPERIAL NAVY (COMPLETE)
Nemesis BB
Reprisal BB
Majestic BB
Terra BB
Invincible Fast BB
Governor GC (& Chaos)
Goliath GC (& Chaos)
Annihilator GC (& Chaos)
Furious GC (& Chaos)
Neptune CB
Chalice Fast CB
Cardinal HC (& Chaos)
Long Serpent CB
Relentless CA
Deimos CA
Daemonslayer CA
Defender CL
Enforcer CL
Turbulent Heavy FF
Claymore Corvette
Firedagger FF
Praetor FF
Tempest Strike FF
Python Scout Sloop
Onager FF
Imperial High Conveyor
Segmentum Solar: Voss Fleet List
Segmentum Pacificus: Hydraphur Fleet List
Ultima Segmentum: Kar Duniash Fleet List
SPACE MARINES
The Eternal Crusader BB (Black Templars)
The Black Avenger BB
Pride of Fenris BB (Space Wolves)
Russvagnum BB (Space Wolves)
Ragnarok BB
Vindictive GC (& Chaos)
Iron Wolf GC
Charybdis GC (& Chaos)
Nicor GC (Carcharadons)
Forgeship GC (Black Templars)
Fist of Russ CB (Space Wolves)
Paragon CB
Crusade SC (& Chaos)
Vanguard SC
Assault SC
Devastator SC
Scylior FF (Carcharadons)
Space Wolves Fleet List
Space Marine Frontier Fleet List
Other Imperial Factions
St Dominica's Vengeance BB (Soriatas)
Emperor Ascendant BB (Soriatas)
Diabolis Extremis GK BB (Inq)
Shadow of Vengeance GC (Inq)
Conquest Star Galleon (RT)
Ordained Destiny Tyrant CA (RT)
Divine Sanction Lunar CA (Inq)
Hawking Exploration CL (Ad Mech, IN, & RT)
Punisher SC (Arbites)
Orion Star Clipper (RT)
Guardian CL (Ad Mech)
Comet CL (RT & Chaos)
Meritech Shrike Raider (RT & Chaos)
Hazeroth Privateer (RT & Chaos)
Jericho Pilgrim Ship (Sororitas & RT)
Inquisitorial FF
Inquisitorial Corvette
Sparrow Escort Carrier (Ad Mech, IN & RT)
Rogue Trader Escort Variants x 3
Navis Mercantilis Vessels
RT Dynasty Fleets
Ministorum Pilgrim Fleets
CHAOS
Favoured Concubine BB
Favoured Concubine Despoiler BB
Blasphemer Class Fast BB
Dethroner Class BB
Repressor Class BB
Amon Class BB
Corruptor BB
Warmaster BB
Defiler BB
Contrador CSM BB
Kharnath Class GC
Repugnant Class GC
The Light Bringer GC
Hellfire Class CA
The Silver Tower Inferno CA
Hellbringer Class Planetary Assault Ship
Pagan Class System Control Cruiser CL
Enticer Light Cruiser CL
Pestilaan Class CL
Plague Hulk
Apostate Class Heavy Raider'
Insanity Class Escort Carrier
Wrath Fleet of Khorne
Pleasure Fleet of Slaaneesh
Plague Fleet of Nurgle
Silver Fleet of Tzeentch
ELDAR
Pheonixship BB
Nebula BC
Ikaros CL
Sumac FF
The Masque DD
Wyrmwood Escort Carrier
Narcissus Escort Carrier
Haven Spire
DARK ELDAR
Nemesis CA
Darkness CA
Subjugation CL
Slaver FF
Gloom FF
Striker FF
Firepoint DD
Chronos DD
ORK
Orkhram's Raza BB
Gouga CL
Bludgeon Escort Carrier
Kult of Speed Fleet List
TAU
Or'es El'leath GC
Kor'O Ry'zon Personal Lar'shi'vre Vessel- Unique CA
Gue'la Lunar CA
Lar'shi'vre CA
Nao'sak'oraes Missile Cruiser
Il'Porrui CL
Il'Porrui CL- Mantis Variant
Il'Porrui CL- Marauder Variant
Vespid Hive Ship CL
Kir'shasvre Escort
Kir'la Escort
Project Distant Darkness Fleet List
TYRANID
Void Kraken of Talassar
Beast of Bhein Morr
OTHER XENOS
Rak'Gol Mangler GC
Rak'Gol Butcher CA
Rak'Gol Mauler FF
Rak'Gol Marauder DD
Q'Orl Chainship
Fra'aal Battlecruiser BB
Diasporex Earthseed BB
Diasporex Jupiter Command BB
Diasporex Europa CA
Diasporex Callisto CA
Diasporex Ganymede CA
Diasporex Defender Ceti CA
Diasporex Frigate
Diasporex Mecury Scout Sloop
Diasporex Solar Collector
Tobari Heavy Raider
Tobari Light Raider
Rak'Gol Fleet List
Diasporex Fleet List
DREADNOUGHTS
Examples and how to design your own super battleships
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I'd like to give you a hand if you need/want the help.
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I'd like to give you a hand if you need/want the help.
Awesome. For now just give the development posts for each race a look as they go up and check out the ships. I'll be working some more tonight or tomorrow on it and hopefully start building the IN and Chaos PDFs.
As well, take a look at the lists above and see if I missed anything. I also lost the list with the source of each ship, so if you know which BFG mag or Warp Rift each of the unfinished ships is in, that would be most useful.
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Expect a rough draft document of IN by the weekend. They will be growingineering over time and should, once I have my fleet painted, have full pictures in them.
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1st Page
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I can't get it to open.
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I just turned off my computer. I'll upload to Dropbox tomorrow or Friday. Should have some more pages done. Formatting kicked my but the first page, but I have a template going now.
And are you on a phone or computer?
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My phone but it normally opens PDFs fine.
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Opens fine here. Moto G. Android 5.0.2.
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Hmm. I'm still on 4.4.4. But I've never had trouble with pdfs before.
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I had trouble with my phone too. Not sure why, but give your pc a try.
For those who can open it, how does it look? Any format issues I should fix before continuing? Caught a typo already (missing punctuation and "Ancient TERRAIN proverb" instead of Terran.
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More progress made
https://dl.dropboxusercontent.com/u/61590635/ASC%202.0/ASC%202.0%20draft.pdf
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I want my Gloriana class battleships!
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I think there is a typo on the nemesis it's saying it's launch bays only have a strength of 2.
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I think there is a typo on the nemesis it's saying it's launch bays only have a strength of 2.
Yep. Should be 6. Already fixed on my working document. Will be updated when I upload the next draft
I want my Gloriana class battleships!
This is something that seems to be on the fence. I really should design a generic Gloriana, HOWEVER there were only ever 20 of them. Furthermore, they all were Legion ships and were highly customized by each legion, which makes them hard to design in game. At least conclusively. Last off all, most all of them were destroyed, particularly for the Loyalists.
I'll probably knock out the core ships listed above then go back as do a special MEGA SHIP section with the Drednoughts, Gloriana Battleships, Phalanx, The Raptorus Rex and other ships like that.
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https://dl.dropboxusercontent.com/u/61590635/ASC%202.0/ASC%202.0%20draft.pdf
UPDATED
Changes made- All IN Battleships added, Goliath and Annihilator GC added
Changed the fluff on the Nemesis class
Added a cover, intro page and a IN title page
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So I expect to finish putting up all the SM, IN, and Chaos Ships in their development threads tonight/tomorrow. I'll also finish the IN portion of the draft ASC tomorrow and upload it Sunday (hopefully).
I will also try my hardest to get the Rouge Trader and Ad Mech Development threads up tomorrow or sunday for us to start working on. Since they are so small, perhaps a Xenos fleet or a Fleet List thread as well.
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Great work man.
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Current draft is up
https://dl.dropboxusercontent.com/u/61590635/ASC%202.0/ASC%202.0%20draft.pdf
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Current draft is up
https://dl.dropboxusercontent.com/u/61590635/ASC%202.0/ASC%202.0%20draft.pdf
Use the same link. Updated.
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Sorry there has been a slow down on this. Expect a big update this weekend. Just because I have not been vocal here about it, does not mean work has not been getting done.
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the last page shows as blank for me, is that where escorts will go?
great job so far, will have to give it all a proper read later
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the last page shows as blank for me, is that where escorts will go?
great job so far, will have to give it all a proper read later
The last page is blank because I use it for formatting in my draft. Once I complete the document it will be gone.
Imperial Navy should be 100% done for PDF this Saturday or Sunday. Chaos by the following weekend.
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Latest PDF With all on IN is complete and uploaded to dropbox. Did a whole nuch of editing, but if I missed anything let me know (already cauht one mistake myself. Page 19 says it is page 13...)
https://www.dropbox.com/s/zxtz8dsplzqa2qk/ASC%202.0%20draft.pdf?dl=0
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I don't understand why you remove the Succubus as it perfectly respect all BFG costs formulas and complete DE very poor ship choice.
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I don't understand why you remove the Succubus as it perfectly respect all BFG costs formulas and complete DE very poor ship choice.
It is already in the BFG:R Dark Eldar Fleet List, so I don't have to include anymore. Back when I started this project a long time ago, Dark Eldar wasn't complete so I had it on the list. Otherwise I agree, but just not required.
If you want to see it go here and checkout the fleet list
http://afterimagedan.blogspot.com/p/as-any-of-you-know-i-am-supporter-and.html
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I don't understand why you remove the Succubus as it perfectly respect all BFG costs formulas and complete DE very poor ship choice.
It is already in the BFG:R Dark Eldar Fleet List, so I don't have to include anymore. Back when I started this project a long time ago, Dark Eldar wasn't complete so I had it on the list. Otherwise I agree, but just not required.
If you want to see it go here and checkout the fleet list
http://afterimagedan.blogspot.com/p/as-any-of-you-know-i-am-supporter-and.html
Ah! Ok! I misenderstood your intent. I believed you were willing to remove the red ones from BFG-R.
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Was a call ever made about the torpedo boats?
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Hi Gothmog,
I offer myshelf to help you if you what. I can give you a couple of hours per week.
Few questions, may you include dreadnought size vessels? What happened with the arbites strike cruiser? And the craftworld eldar?
As well I don't get the point of so many similar escorts, like the pretorian class, witch looks like a 4 bateries havoc.
Anyway good work, wether I can directly help you or not I will probably translate your book into spanish so more people can enjoy ;). As log as there is no problem.
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Sorry I've just seen the punisher cruiser in your other post :D
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Yeah, Punisher SC is already done :)
As for translating to spanish, that would be great. Once I am done I will send the .doc if you want and then you don't have to reformat, just edit the words.
I have considered Dreadnought sized vessels. I have a few rules for them. I am likely going to add a section to the end about them and how to create them rules wise. However, there is really no standard consensus on what they should be and are usually so individualized to the player, I don't want to strictly codify them.
Alot of craftworld stuff already exists in BFG:R so check there. If it is there, I am not redoing it :). However, if I missed anything that exists in the fluff or a BFG mag/warprift someplace, please let me know, especially once doing ELdar.
As for the escorts, if you look in the file I have tried to make them as individual as possible, but some are still pretty close I know. However, they all exist in the fluff someplace, so that is reason enough for me! Plus, once I do fleet lists, I will try to cleverly use them there.
Sorry I haven't been able to work on it the last 2 weeks+. I have been moving/on vacation across the US. HOWEVER I reach my destination tomorrow, so I should be able to resume this week and definitely next week if not this week.
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Fine, then lets just get in contact, my complains were no really complains, Actually the escorts are quite nice.
by craftworld I was meaning " craftworld" craftworld , not craftworld ships, it was on the old compendium. ;)
Dictar was about to finish one this year and "someone" may bring another one to birth in the future. ::)
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Fine, then lets just get in contact, my complains were no really complains, Actually the escorts are quite nice.
by craftworld I was meaning " craftworld" craftworld , not craftworld ships, it was on the old compendium. ;)
Dictar was about to finish one this year and "someone" may bring another one to birth in the future. ::)
Didn't take them to be complaints, and this project is more than welcome to constructive criticism ;D
AH the actual craftworld. I believe there are rules for it in the BFG:R Eldar supplement. I'll double check. If not, it would more than likely go with the rest of the "dreadnoughts" since they are all so unique to each person that makes them.
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Newest Draft is up, including 1/2 of the space marines!
https://www.dropbox.com/s/zxtz8dsplzqa2qk/ASC%202.0%20draft.pdf?dl=0
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This is something that seems to be on the fence. I really should design a generic Gloriana, HOWEVER there were only ever 20 of them. Furthermore, they all were Legion ships and were highly customized by each legion, which makes them hard to design in game. At least conclusively. Last off all, most all of them were destroyed, particularly for the Loyalists.
I'll probably knock out the core ships listed above then go back as do a special MEGA SHIP section with the Drednoughts, Gloriana Battleships, Phalanx, The Raptorus Rex and other ships like that.
You haven't read the latest Horus Heresy book by Forge World yet I see. There has been a bit of a retcon I guess since now the Gloriana class Battleship seems to be more common. The Word Bearers were known to have had nine of them (even though several of them belonged to other Legions previously).
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DRAFT UPDATED
DOWNLOAD HERE (DROP BOX LINK)
https://dl.dropboxusercontent.com/u/61590635/ASC%202.0/ASC%202.0%20draft.pdf (https://dl.dropboxusercontent.com/u/61590635/ASC%202.0/ASC%202.0%20draft.pdf)
SPACE MARINES VESSELS COMPLETE
I have to add the Space Wolves Fleet list,, and a few IN fleet lists, but I will get to that soon.
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This is something that seems to be on the fence. I really should design a generic Gloriana, HOWEVER there were only ever 20 of them. Furthermore, they all were Legion ships and were highly customized by each legion, which makes them hard to design in game. At least conclusively. Last off all, most all of them were destroyed, particularly for the Loyalists.
I'll probably knock out the core ships listed above then go back as do a special MEGA SHIP section with the Drednoughts, Gloriana Battleships, Phalanx, The Raptorus Rex and other ships like that.
You haven't read the latest Horus Heresy book by Forge World yet I see. There has been a bit of a retcon I guess since now the Gloriana class Battleship seems to be more common. The Word Bearers were known to have had nine of them (even though several of them belonged to other Legions previously).
Which one was this, as I have read all of them and don't remember this.
It is still something in 40k that doesn't exist anymore though, and something that I would need to treat carefully upon codifying. As well, there are already ships with names of famous glaorianas in the BFG:R Fleet lists.
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This is something that seems to be on the fence. I really should design a generic Gloriana, HOWEVER there were only ever 20 of them. Furthermore, they all were Legion ships and were highly customized by each legion, which makes them hard to design in game. At least conclusively. Last off all, most all of them were destroyed, particularly for the Loyalists.
I'll probably knock out the core ships listed above then go back as do a special MEGA SHIP section with the Drednoughts, Gloriana Battleships, Phalanx, The Raptorus Rex and other ships like that.
You haven't read the latest Horus Heresy book by Forge World yet I see. There has been a bit of a retcon I guess since now the Gloriana class Battleship seems to be more common. The Word Bearers were known to have had nine of them (even though several of them belonged to other Legions previously).
Which one was this, as I have read all of them and don't remember this.
The latest of Forge World's Horus Heresy books which deals with the war for Calth. :)
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Looks really great. What program do you use for the drawings?
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Looks really great. What program do you use for the drawings?
Nothing special. I am just taking existing drawing and using Microsoft Paint to cut and layer them together. Really easy. Then to remove any annoying colouration in the background and around the edges of the ships, I put them into Microsoft Powerpoint and use the "remove background" tool.
The document itself is just formated in Microsoft word. I use powerpoint to make the tables for ship stats too.
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Ah. Good ol power point. I also like the naming of a Rainbow Warriors strike cruiser. Didn't expect to see that.
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So glad to see work continuing on this. I follow the BFG FB group and the updated rules seem widely accepted.
Last I followed, the updates to the Imps and Chaos for BFG:R seemed perfect. I'm not sure what other races were completed/updated or if any changes were suggested/added to the core rules.
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So glad to see work continuing on this. I follow the BFG FB group and the updated rules seem widely accepted.
Last I followed, the updates to the Imps and Chaos for BFG:R seemed perfect. I'm not sure what other races were completed/updated or if any changes were suggested/added to the core rules.
Here are the rest of the rules
http://afterimagedan.blogspot.com/p/as-any-of-you-know-i-am-supporter-and.html
None to the core rules, just fleet lists. Use FAQ 2010 for core rules.
I plan on finishing BFG:R once done with ASC 2.0 if Afterimagedan doesn't come back
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I plan on finishing BFG:R once done with ASC 2.0 if Afterimagedan doesn't come back
IIRC There's only Planetary Defences to do. Could be wrong tho...:s
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I plan on finishing BFG:R once done with ASC 2.0 if Afterimagedan doesn't come back
IIRC There's only Planetary Defences to do. Could be wrong tho...:s
On his site there is orks and rogue traders to finalize
And there is alot of fomating and typos. The Inquisition one needs work in this regard too.
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By the way, how about adding the ships from the Navis Mercantilis? I know they aren't official, but there was an article about it in Warp Rift (link (http://specialist-arms.com/bfg/warprift/warprift19.pdf). I can imagine there being some more info about transport ships and other civilian craft in the RPG books by Fantasy Flight Games. :)
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Awesome, thanks for the link!
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Awesome, thanks for the link!
No problem!
By the way, how about adding the ships from the Navis Mercantilis? I know they aren't official, but there was an article about it in Warp Rift (link (http://specialist-arms.com/bfg/warprift/warprift19.pdf). I can imagine there being some more info about transport ships and other civilian craft in the RPG books by Fantasy Flight Games. :)
I'll look into it. I had discounted merchants for the most part. Basically saying that they are so weak compared to warships that the generic armed freighter and transport stats can represent a broad range of merchant vessels, but that Warp rift does have a good variety and I could just move the High Converyor to the Navis Mercantilis as well...
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Sorry. Been moving into my new house. Should get some more content out this weekend/upcoming week
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By the way, why have the Rok'gol ships been removed?
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By the way, why have the Rok'gol ships been removed?
It was either because they are else where in BFG:R or in BFG:FR, but I have decided to ignore BFG:FR, so I will likely do them too
Expect to see more work this week
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I keep getting a 404 Error from dropbox when trying to view the draft pdf. Am I doing something wrong?
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I keep getting a 404 Error from dropbox when trying to view the draft pdf. Am I doing something wrong?
Hmm. Let me looks into that
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So I guess I broke my drop box when I built my new PC and switched to that. Trying to fix it now.
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I keep getting a 404 Error from dropbox when trying to view the draft pdf. Am I doing something wrong?
Should Work now.
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Awesome, thanks!
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New draft
https://www.dropbox.com/s/zxtz8dsplzqa2qk/ASC%202.0%20draft.pdf?dl=0
Ignore the page numbers at the Imperial Navy. Have to add IN fleet lists still, so SM page numbers will go up still.
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LATEST DRAFT HERE
https://www.dropbox.com/s/zxtz8dsplzqa2qk/ASC%202.0%20draft.pdf?dl=0 (https://www.dropbox.com/s/zxtz8dsplzqa2qk/ASC%202.0%20draft.pdf?dl=0)
It now includes ALL Imperial Navy vessels and fleet lists, ALL SM ships and one of their fleet lists. I have 3 more SM fleet lists to add (Space Wolves and 2 Maelstrom lists) and some SoB ready to go to add to it.
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updated. This update contains the SW fleet list, 2 Adeptus Sororitas Battleships and an Inquisition GC, as well as other minor changes to the document and vessels.
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Is the Furious Grand Cruiser supposed to have only 2 shields? Seems weird for a Grand Cruiser
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Is the Furious Grand Cruiser supposed to have only 2 shields? Seems weird for a Grand Cruiser
Yes. Balance with the 6+ Front armour. And the normal repulsive starts with 2 and can upgrade to 3. Maybe I should add that option
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Might be an okay option, I played my first game with it yesterday at 2 shields and you're right, with the 6+ prow it seems like a good balance. 3 shields would just make it a great anchor to the line of cruisers Imperials need
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Posted this before but have not seen anything about it
Looks like the military/semi-military ships from Battlefleet Koronus were picked up, but not the additional transports:
Carrack Class
Goliath Class factory ship (obviously a modified Mechanicus Ark, although the dimensions listed indicate it is a cruiser sized vessel)
Universe Mass Conveyor
Would like to suggest adding a complete selection of transports/factory ships from small to very large. As a new player I have not used transports yet, but have seen a number of convoy scenarios where different classes of transport ship might be interesting. Would also like to see them added for completeness and to expand the universe a bit, since there will obviously be a very wide range of transport sizes across the 40K universe (there is even one bigger than the Universe).
Basic transport: Existing GW or FW model
Heavy transport: Exisiting FW model
Light Cruiser sized transport (Carrack Class, as it appears to be based on an CL hull)
Imperial cruiser sized transport (not the Conquest Class Star Galleon which is a special case)
Imperial BB sized transport
Really big transport (Universe Mass Conveyor)
Tim
PS. A few tug classes might also be useful.
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Posted this before but have not seen anything about it
Looks like the military/semi-military ships from Battlefleet Koronus were picked up, but not the additional transports:
Carrack Class
Goliath Class factory ship (obviously a modified Mechanicus Ark, although the dimensions listed indicate it is a cruiser sized vessel)
Universe Mass Conveyor
Would like to suggest adding a complete selection of transports/factory ships from small to very large. As a new player I have not used transports yet, but have seen a number of convoy scenarios where different classes of transport ship might be interesting. Would also like to see them added for completeness and to expand the universe a bit, since there will obviously be a very wide range of transport sizes across the 40K universe (there is even one bigger than the Universe).
Basic transport: Existing GW or FW model
Heavy transport: Exisiting FW model
Light Cruiser sized transport (Carrack Class, as it appears to be based on an CL hull)
Imperial cruiser sized transport (not the Conquest Class Star Galleon which is a special case)
Imperial BB sized transport
Really big transport (Universe Mass Conveyor)
Tim
PS. A few tug classes might also be useful.
I want to do these under Navis Mecantilis. Hope to get the rules up and done in december? Maybe?
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I want to do these under Navis Mecantilis. Hope to get the rules up and done in december? Maybe?
OK, cool!
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I have a question about Space Marines ships in the draft. I do think there is a problem with Thunderhawk lauch bays. Per FaQ 2010 venerable rules we have the equivalence of 2 launch bays for 1 Thunderhawk bay.
A friend of mine comes wanting to play some of BFG R ships such as Vindicite class. But I cannot see how 6 Thunderhawk bays can fit on a Vindicite class. As variant of Repulsive class, which mini model could fit a maximum of 8 standard launch bays hence 4 Thunderhawk max.
Could you tell me what are the rules for BFG R, are you following FaQ2010 Space Marine annex rules for Thunderhawks bay numbers?
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So the side bays follow your logic fine. Now consider the prow. Since it is based off Chaos and not IN ships I took the Despoiler prow as the basis. It is just the profile view doesnt convey this that well. As well it is supposed to be a full on planetary assault ship, thus the high number of bays.
Also consider the strike cruiser with 2 prow LB, even in its small size. Not hard to assume the vindictive can manage the same.
If you look at the Iron wolf, which looses it's prow bays, it conforms to your postulation.
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Thanks for your answer, we understand your concept better now.
The problem for us is the number of Thunderhawks bays on a ship. We are agreing with FaQ2010 concept about a Thunderhawk bay is worth twice the number of standard IN/CH launch bays
So having a battleship with 7 Th bays is worth 14 bays of standard IN/CH Battleship. When actual maximum is 8 bays for either Chaos (Despoiler) or IN (Emperor) per official or semi-official rules, 12 maximum bays you can glue on a BB mini and 8 on a Cruiser mini.
More, having cruisers with 6 Th bays worth 12 launch bays of standard IN is pretty overpowering for us.
Even more as we are talking of Thunderhawk dual purpose ordnances.
So Iron Wolf with "only" 4 Th bays worth 8 launch bays of standard IN match more our criterias of a maximum on a Space Marine on a Grand cruiser.
On BFG FR we have in our SM formula cost a maximum and a extreme number for SM Thunderhawks bays
Max 2 th. bays on Light cruisers and cruiser Extreme number 3 th. bays
Max 3 th. bays on Battlecruisers and cruisers Extreme number 4 th. bays
Max 3 th. bays on Grand Cruisers. Extreme number 5 th. bays
Max 4 on venerable BB design and 5 th. bays on battlebarge. Extreme number 6 and 7 th. bays
Each additionnal bay above the maximum number (up to extreme number) reduce the speed by 5cm or increase global cost by 10% for each added bay (10% increase coming from the 5cm engines modification from the blue book campaign section to compensate the 5cm reduction).
Note in our view per minis and official book profiles for Imperium and Chaos only SM design can have prow bays (which fit the odd numbers). Venerable design from IN or Chaos can only have side bays.
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So the fact that these are "Venerable" is simply to fill that battlefield role and limit the number of them that can be employed (ie 1). It is not venerable in the same sense that it is a borrowed vessel from those fleets lists, as they cannot use/take the Vindictive (well I guess Chaos can in this case). And the despoiler, a chaos vessel, has a prow bay.
Your maximums are taking into account only the sides and then a single bay for the front it seems, even though every example of a prow launch bay in BFG:R has 2 TH launch bays on the front (3 in the case of the battlebarge).
However, I can kinda see it from the point that IN/CH ships with 2 hardpoint sides typically only have 3 LB on the side, even though a single hardpoint usually accounts for 2. I understand this 50% reduction of the second hardpoint is a function of balance.
I think I fluff justify it well in terms of it being a 100% dedicated planetary assault ship.
However, comparing it now to the nemisis, I do see that it does seem somewhat undercosted, and an additional 15 to 30 points may be called for. OR Perhaps a reduction of 1 on the prow to better match the system of the IN/CH cruiser LB reduction. I don't think the Raganarok will change though seeing as it matched the IN BB convention of 2 hardpoints giving the full 4 LB capacity and the prow of the SM BB prow LB capacity of 3.
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updated the main list and download link
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EVERYTHING IMPERIAL IS 100% COMPLETE!!!!
This is including Navis Mecantilis
Totals to date: 56 Vessels, 5 Fleet Lists, and the modular Navis Mercantilis. Tons of heavily researched fluff and a lot of cool pictures. 30324 words, averaging to 467.14 words per page so far (including all the picture pages)
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Great job!
How about a typo in Navis Mercantilus: "allow for module construction of vessels"?
"Modular" instead of "module"?
Tim
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Great job!
How about a typo in Navis Mercantilus: "allow for module construction of vessels"?
"Modular" instead of "module"?
Tim
Thanks! This is the best kind of feedback as well, since no matter how many times I read or spell check it, that is the kind of mistake I will miss everytime!
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ASC
Vindictive
Based on Repulsive, but saw action in the Great Crusade when Repulsive is a post Heresy ship?
Ironwolf
Same issue.
Rogue Trader Escorts
Brigatine should be Brigantine?
Barques tend to have historically been larger ships. Perhaps a different name would be better?
Havoc Frigate/Praetor Frigate /Infidel Raider/Meritech Raider/Onager
All of these ship apparently use the same basic hull… Surely we can come up with some cheesy fluff that links all of these VERY similar ships.
Praetor:
"Predecessor to the later Falcion (sp:Falchion) and Cobra classes…"
2010 says Predecessor to the later Sword and Cobra classes. Falchion is post Heresy.
Havoc Frigate:
There appear to be two different Havoc escorts. 2010 version is all weapons batteries while the BFGR Traitor Fleets 1.4 is 2 WB and 1 torpedo
To differentiate between these two ships, perhaps make the Praetor a destroyer or heavy destroyer, since it has torpedoes (and change the Traitor fleet ship to match 2010)? This would also tie in to the "larger escort to fulfill the role of the Cobra" plans stolen from the Monsk orbital shipyards (became Infidel)
The design plans were then lost during or shortly after the Heresy.
Meritech Raider/Infidel
To tie the hull design to the Meritech Clans, they "found" plans for Havoc/Praetor and adapted the hull to their radical technologies?
Or stole them from the Monsk orbital shipyard, used them and also sold them to Chaos factions who built the Infidel?
Onager
Falchion (post Heresy ship) pic for a heresy era ship?
Ignoring the "Nova Cannon in an escort issue" (rolls eyes) ;-), Did Nova Cannons even exist on cruisers during the Heresy? The only Heresy era ships I see with Nova Cannons are the Apocalypse and Victory battleships. Assuming they did, would not Onagers be built out of Praetors or Havocs instead of building a "new escort"? Might be nicer to make them a post Heresy development.
Traitor Fleets
Heretic Light Cruiser
Predecessor to the Dauntless (which fought in the Heresy), but first noted appearance in M32?
Crusader Pattern Forgeship
Forgeship should be two words like forge world, both in the title and description?
Also: Famous Ships, Heracles (Black Templarsy Chapter)
Kuat Seiner indeed…
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ASC
Vindictive
Based on Repulsive, but saw action in the Great Crusade when Repulsive is a post Heresy ship?
Ironwolf
Same issue.
Rogue Trader Escorts
Brigatine should be Brigantine?
Barques tend to have historically been larger ships. Perhaps a different name would be better?
Good point about the Vindictive and Ironwolf. I will fix that.
Yes, it should be brigantine. Typo, will fix.
I used the name Barque right out of the Warp Rift it was in. I will do some research, but I am ultimately not that concerned. Destroyers are bigger than frigates afterall, but not in BFG.
Havoc Frigate/Praetor Frigate /Infidel Raider/Meritech Raider/Onager
All of these ship apparently use the same basic hull… Surely we can come up with some cheesy fluff that links all of these VERY similar ships.
Praetor:
"Predecessor to the later Falcion (sp:Falchion) and Cobra classes…"
2010 says Predecessor to the later Sword and Cobra classes. Falchion is post Heresy.
Not sure of adding "linking" fluff as it is kinda understood IMO since they are all imperial design and escort class. Given mechanicus design philosophy and STC technology, they are implied to be similar. BUT more so is a lack of space to add linking fluff.
Will fix the typo. Thanks. And if the Falchion is post heresy, it could be a predecessor to that too.
Kinda weird to be a predecessor to Sword and Cobra, as those are VERY divergent. But I will look into the fluff again.
Havoc Frigate:
There appear to be two different Havoc escorts. 2010 version is all weapons batteries while the BFGR Traitor Fleets 1.4 is 2 WB and 1 torpedo
To differentiate between these two ships, perhaps make the Praetor a destroyer or heavy destroyer, since it has torpedoes (and change the Traitor fleet ship to match 2010)? This would also tie in to the "larger escort to fulfill the role of the Cobra" plans stolen from the Monsk orbital shipyards (became Infidel)
The design plans were then lost during or shortly after the Heresy.
It is meant to be the Imperial Equivalent in a way to the BFG:R Havoc. I can't change the BFG:R ship to match the 2010. As well, the 2010 version doesn't matter to this since it is meant to be used with BFG:R. The difference between the two is in the shields and speed, plus the preator is 1 WB less.
Meritech Raider/Infidel
To tie the hull design to the Meritech Clans, they "found" plans for Havoc/Praetor and adapted the hull to their radical technologies?
Or stole them from the Monsk orbital shipyard, used them and also sold them to Chaos factions who built the Infidel?
Fluff taken directly from official sources with minor changes for clarification. mostly word for word.
Onager
Falchion (post Heresy ship) pic for a heresy era ship?
Ignoring the "Nova Cannon in an escort issue" (rolls eyes) ;-), Did Nova Cannons even exist on cruisers during the Heresy? The only Heresy era ships I see with Nova Cannons are the Apocalypse and Victory battleships. Assuming they did, would not Onagers be built out of Praetors or Havocs instead of building a "new escort"? Might be nicer to make them a post Heresy development.
Yes I believe they did. And part of the luff is that it is an adhoc vessel, so it is easy to believe some have been built since the heresy and likely could have used a Falcion hull. This improvised design concept is why there are 2 designs on the page.
Traitor Fleets
Heretic Light Cruiser
Predecessor to the Dauntless (which fought in the Heresy), but first noted appearance in M32?
Is this in BFG:R? It isn't in the ASC....
Crusader Pattern Forgeship
Forgeship should be two words like forge world, both in the title and description?
Also: Famous Ships, Heracles (Black Templarsy Chapter)
I copied the name Forgeship and the famous ship Heracles DIRECTLY from the Black Templars fleet list released in Fanatic Magazine (issue 90 I believe). I don't have a random y in my master file, but maybe I fixed that previously.
Kuat Seiner indeed…
I have a couple easter eggs like this hidden in the file. Why not have fun with it?
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For the vindictive/iron wolf fluff fix, I just ammended the start to be this
"A rare offshoot of the STC core plans that would later produce the infamous Repulsive-class Grand Cruiser, Vindictive-class grand cruisers were a far more common sight in the days of the Great Crusade before the Horus Heresy, serving amongst the Astartes Legions."
Minimal change to the text while achieving the goal of making them related to the Repulsive without violating the time line.
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Re the Havoc Frigate/Praetor Frigate/Onager/Chaos Havoc Raider/Chaos Infidel Raider/Meritech Shrike Raider ships, I'm just trying to come up some coherent deep background as a basis for the fluff for this series of ships. It does not ALL have to fit into the fluff descriptions
We have two ships built pre-Heresy, one first built during the heresy and three supposedly first built after the Heresy, all based on the same hull.
Praetor Class Frigate: Pre-Heresy. How did the Praetor become a frigate? Havoc Class Frigate description in 2010 calls the Praetor a destroyer while the Havoc is a frigate.
2010 Havoc Class Frigate: Pre-Heresy.
Onager: Heresy era ship. Would not Heresy era Onagers be built out of already existing Havoc frigates instead of building a "new escort"?
It seems likely that the plans for this pre-Heresy ship have been floating around the galaxy, not to mention ex-Heresy ships fleeing to the Eye of Terror and still existing as well as being replicated, all leading eventually to:
Chaos Havoc Class Raider: M36
Chaos Infidel Class Raider: M40
Meritech Raider: M41
Suggested hull development flowcharts:
Preator Class Destroyer > Chaos Havoc Class Raider > Infidel (All are torpedo equipped ships)
Design aspects incorporated into: Cobra
2010 Havoc Class Frigate > Meritech Raider (With additional non-Imperial technologies added.) (Weapons batteries only)
Design aspects incorporated into: Sword
Having two different ship classes named Havoc is a bit confusing. Not sure how Onager would fit in. Could be an offshoot of both designs.
Traitor Fleets
Heretic Light Cruiser
Predecessor to the Dauntless (which fought in the Heresy), but first noted appearance in M32?
Is this in BFG:R? It isn't in the ASC….
This is a comment on BFG:R Traitor Fleets, not ASC
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After a 3 month break, updated again with 1st Chaos Vessel!
https://www.dropbox.com/s/zxtz8dsplzqa2qk/ASC%202.0%20draft.pdf?dl=0
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Just an FYI, this is still ongoing. Sorry I don't use the forums that much anymore. Mostly manage the large Facebook Group (I am one of the Admins).
BUT expect Chaos BB done by the end of the week.
Current draft here!
https://www.dropbox.com/home/Public/ASC%202.0?preview=ASC+2.0+draft.pdf (https://www.dropbox.com/home/Public/ASC%202.0?preview=ASC+2.0+draft.pdf)
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That's your personal URL, if you want us to see it you neet to paste the one from the "Share" pop-up ;)
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Just an FYI, this is still ongoing. Sorry I don't use the forums that much anymore. Mostly manage the large Facebook Group (I am one of the Admins).
BUT expect Chaos BB done by the end of the week.
Current draft here!
https://www.dropbox.com/home/Public/ASC%202.0?preview=ASC+2.0+draft.pdf (https://www.dropbox.com/home/Public/ASC%202.0?preview=ASC+2.0+draft.pdf)
A few questions:
1. What FB group is that?
2. Did you consider adding the Chaos Dethroner Battleship I put in the other subforum in it?
3. Could you please put that somewhere that we can all see it? :D
Thanks!
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Facebook Group
https://www.facebook.com/groups/2387912808/ (https://www.facebook.com/groups/2387912808/)
Yes, I am going to add the Dethroner. Looks great, was meant for BoN, will get life here.
As for putting the link where everyone can find it, it is in the top post and the official/unofficial rules thread. I have used drop box and maintain the same file name with each update so that the link NEVER changes, just the content. So all you need is the link once and you can always get to the most recent version!
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Would you like to add Starlight's Edge and Corsair Prince Kiranthrasil Moonhunter? :)
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Only with a model available. ;)
Or schematics.
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Would you like to add Starlight's Edge and Corsair Prince Kiranthrasil Moonhunter? :)
Sure, where are they?
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Another new update after a LONG Haitus. At least it was less than a year this time.
https://www.dropbox.com/s/zxtz8dsplzqa2qk/ASC%202.0%20draft.pdf?dl=0 (https://www.dropbox.com/s/zxtz8dsplzqa2qk/ASC%202.0%20draft.pdf?dl=0)
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Stuff that could be added:
Imperials:
Chalice class Battlecruiser (RT:BFK 22)
Ambition class Cruiser (RT:BFK 24)
Lathe class Monitor Cruiser (RT:ItS 152)
Secutor class Monitor Cruiser (RT:ItS 152)
Viper class Scout (RT:BFK 28)
Carrack class Star Galleon (RT:BFK 29)
Exchequer class Merchant Trader (RT:EotA 109)
Wolf class Raider (RT:CR 209)
Scourge class Frigate (Probably 6+ armour) (RT:HA 84)
Bastion class Defence Monitor (system defence ship) (RT:HA 81)
Ignis class Heavy Cruiser (RT:EotA 106)
Kali class Fast Attack Cruiser (RT:FS 68)
The Tribune
All the stuff from the HH series (Some have rules already, but it'd be awesome to have them fixed and put here)
Xenos:
Yu'Vath Void Wasp (RT:GMK 26)
Yu'Vath The Whisperer (RT:GMK 27)
I'll look out for more stuff that's referenced and post it here
RT:CR is Rogue Trader RPG: Core Rulebook
RT:GMK is Rogue Trader RPG: GM Kit
RT:BFK is Rogue Trader RPG: Battlefleet Koronus
RT:ItS is Rogue Trader RPG: Into the Storm
RT:EotA is Rogue Trader RPG: Edge of the Abyss
RT:HA is Rogue Trader RPG: Hostile Acquisitions
RT:FS is Rogue Trader RPG: Fallen Suns
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THANKS! I'll look into all those. If you can add their source, that would be most helpful.
The Viper scout is renamed the Python in the ASC 2.0 to avoid confusion with the Viper destroyer in BFG:R
The merchants and galleons are covered by the Navis Mercantilis modular ship creator for the most part, but I'll check and see if those should be picked up as variant enough. It just comes down to time and effort really.
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There you go! Added the references for the RPG ships :)
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Thanks!
I remember why I didn't add the Ambition! Because it got added to BFG:XR (replaced the Murder if I am not Mistaken) in the RT Fleet List!
Chalice is in there. Check the IN section. It is a Fast Battlecruiser.
Viper class scout is renamed Python to avoid confusion with Viper Destroyers.
But I'll definitely look into the rest.
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I'll look through the stats for those ships and let you know what makes them different to other ones so we can craft fitting rules for them
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By the way, since you've also included fan produced models in the rules (Crusade Pattern Strike Cruiser), how about including some other fan productions, I'm thinking the Heresy Barge (https://www.shapeways.com/product/KM4S9AUPR/bfg-heresy-barge?optionId=41131481) here, but also the amazing models by Battlegroup Helios (https://vanguardminiatures.co.uk/product-category/battlegroup-helios/helian-fleet/), and maybe even some of these designs (https://vanguardminiatures.co.uk/product-category/battlegroup-helios/gothic-starships/). :)
Oh, and Gloriana class ships of course! The Vengeful Spirit and Macragge's Honour seemed to have make comebacks in the video game Battlefleet Gothic Armada 2.
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Dreadnoughts (IE Glorianas) are planned for the last section of the book. Where as alot of these don't belong in main BFG, ships of that class don't really either, so I was going to treat them differently and special and its going to take a lot of brainstorming and work to get them right. Don't want to hold up the rest for them.
A few fan creations were to match the most common 3rd party things out there.
The problem with Battlegroup Helios, is as awesome of suclpts as they are, they really are just alternatives to the main line. Like you can clearly make a Lunar class or Mars Class or Tyrant etc. etc. Same for their escorts. And the Novan ships are just SM Replacements.
Basically they are like a separate hull form, like Kar Duniash vessels or Voss Pattern ships.
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Updated. Jericho Pilgrim ship and RT Dynasty fleet list completed. Trying something weird and new messing with LD and fleet commanders in that list.
Same link as always, but provided again for expedience https://www.dropbox.com/s/zxtz8dsplzqa2qk/ASC%202.0%20draft.pdf?dl=0 (https://www.dropbox.com/s/zxtz8dsplzqa2qk/ASC%202.0%20draft.pdf?dl=0)
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Same for their escorts. And the Novan ships are just SM Replacements.
Hmm, the Novan Fast Cruiser (https://vanguardminiatures.co.uk/shop/novan-fast-cruiser/) fits more with the old school (Space Fleet) Imperial Navy models, dunno if you have rules for those yet. The Felis Stealth Ship (https://vanguardminiatures.co.uk/shop/novan-elites-felis-class-stealth-ship-x-4/) was conceptually inspired by the Death Watch Kill Ship, which also doesn't have rules yet.
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Same for their escorts. And the Novan ships are just SM Replacements.
Hmm, the Novan Fast Cruiser (https://vanguardminiatures.co.uk/shop/novan-fast-cruiser/) fits more with the old school (Space Fleet) Imperial Navy models, dunno if you have rules for those yet. The Felis Stealth Ship (https://vanguardminiatures.co.uk/shop/novan-elites-felis-class-stealth-ship-x-4/) was conceptually inspired by the Death Watch Kill Ship, which also doesn't have rules yet.
looking again I guess they are more varied. The fast cruiser is the siluria in BFG:XR already.
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Fair enough indeed!
I just need rules for that small ship Stealth Ship I designed. ;D
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Have you checked the stealth option from the khareshi expanse rules I added several years ago?