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Title: another Warmonger commission
Post by: Dave on December 07, 2015, 08:07:33 PM: Warmonger is slightly in the black this year. Rather than pay taxes on it come next April, I decided to commission part of the next unit instead. Bob's going to be sculpting three Halberdier strips for me this month. Pics as I have them.

I'm hoping for a few more sales between now and next April so I can cover the rest of the unit before I do a KS for them. If that doesn't happen I'll either delay the KS or risk trying for a higher goal.
Title: Re: another Warmonger commission
Post by: Lex on December 07, 2015, 08:35:28 PM: nice news !
Title: Re: another Warmonger commission
Post by: Blindhorizon on December 08, 2015, 03:21:21 PM: Would you consider pre orders for the halberdeirs to get them to a KS sooner? How much do you need to sell to get them out sooner?
Title: Re: another Warmonger commission
Post by: Dave on December 08, 2015, 04:49:44 PM: Pre-orders are an option. Given what still needs to be sculpted (the biggest expense) I'd need 1,900 USD with a KS (roughly 210 units). Taking pre-orders instead of a KS I'd be able to do it at 90% of that (1,710 and 190 units).

PayPal allows for pre-orders, I just haven't investigated how to go about them. In a nut shell, someone pays and it gets put into a holding area. I get to withdraw it from that area the day before I ship. What happens if someone cancels their payment or I have to refund it, I'm not sure. I don't think there's much risk for the buyer, but I could be left holding miniatures that people backed out on. Not the worst problem for me, but I try to stay lean and liquid by keeping inventory low. There's also the problem of I get 50% of the cash I need, what then? Can I refund it all without penalty?

Of course, all that's if we do it on the up-and-up with PayPal. If someone were to send me a gift, with the understanding that I'd send them a gift of miniatures sometime in the next 6 months, that would be something to talk about.

All that being said though, every dollar I make selling the products I have goes towards getting the next one sculpted or some form of business overhead. So if you want them sooner, pimping them across the internet and to friends helps just as much.
Title: Re: another Warmonger commission
Post by: Dave on December 08, 2015, 05:02:02 PM: Another thought on pre-orders is to use Celery (https://www.trycelery.com/). I still get hit with fees, but it's 2% and PayPal's 2.9% + $0.30 instead of Kickstarter's 10%.

The trade off there is the marketing (I'd be responsible for driving all sales to it, KS wouldn't be helping) and it's not well known like KS (so people might be put off). Is the 5% extra I'm paying KS worth that?
Title: Re: another Warmonger commission
Post by: Stormwind on December 08, 2015, 06:05:54 PM: "If someone were to send me a gift, with the understanding that I'd send them a gift of miniatures sometime in the next 6 months"

That's kind of what I did when contributing to the Skeleton project.
Title: Re: another Warmonger commission
Post by: Tiberius on December 08, 2015, 08:44:09 PM: Very exciting news! If I don't get any Warmonger miniatures for Christmas, I will be buying some soon after. Keep up the good work, and thank you!
Title: Re: another Warmonger commission
Post by: Dave on December 16, 2015, 12:53:04 AM: Bob said he'll be sending some pics this week.
Title: Re: another Warmonger commission
Post by: Stormwind on December 16, 2015, 10:17:20 AM: This sounds great, I guess they'll look closer to the Elite Halberdiers than the strip ones, or closer to the Pikemen you've already done, in that sense.
Title: Re: another Warmonger commission
Post by: Dave on December 17, 2015, 03:29:08 PM: The first WIP shot:

(https://lh3.googleusercontent.com/-PXIHexzZb9E/VnLigeY3IdI/AAAAAAAAaUQ/YNpEKcSGT2c/s640-Ic42/index.jpg) (https://lh3.googleusercontent.com/-PXIHexzZb9E/VnLigeY3IdI/AAAAAAAAaUQ/YNpEKcSGT2c/s0-Ic42/index.jpg)

Bob's still working on the detailing.
Title: Re: another Warmonger commission
Post by: Aquahog on December 17, 2015, 03:36:49 PM: Good start!
Title: Re: another Warmonger commission
Post by: Geep on December 17, 2015, 09:30:01 PM: Very nice
Title: Re: another Warmonger commission
Post by: Tiberius on December 18, 2015, 01:26:38 AM: Glorious! I can't wait!
Title: Re: another Warmonger commission
Post by: Big Red on December 18, 2015, 04:58:50 AM: Love 'em!!

I know this might not be an immediate thought but any ponderings about some mercenaries.? e.g. Halflings archers or militia or similar?
Title: Re: another Warmonger commission
Post by: Dave on December 18, 2015, 12:19:04 PM: The odder stuff I'll likely stay away from. In order to recoupe costs and pay for another unit I need to sell at least 225 packs. AfterRthese the cav, arty and characters are next.
Title: Re: another Warmonger commission
Post by: Stormwind on December 18, 2015, 09:32:54 PM: I think that Eureka's halflings are the only ones we're going to be getting any time soon!

@Big Red: Did you mean something that would fit the "marauder" slot in the DoW list? I kind of imagined using these halberdiers for that, myself.
Title: Re: another Warmonger commission
Post by: Dave on December 18, 2015, 11:43:37 PM: Ya. My plan was these guys for swordsmen, and zwiehanders for marauders,
Title: Re: another Warmonger commission
Post by: jchaos79 on December 19, 2015, 04:33:16 PM: Great figures! good work
Title: Re: another Warmonger commission
Post by: Dave on December 31, 2015, 09:42:40 PM: Here's the latest shots.

(https://lh3.googleusercontent.com/-MkTaqtH84Fg/VoWtznehavI/AAAAAAAAabY/S_A_BgQLZio/s640-Ic42/4375961E-B158-4668-82BF-567B4AACC7EFF2C71561-8554-4D8B-9D56-B3E702215C37.jpg) (https://lh3.googleusercontent.com/-MkTaqtH84Fg/VoWtznehavI/AAAAAAAAabY/S_A_BgQLZio/s0-Ic42/4375961E-B158-4668-82BF-567B4AACC7EFF2C71561-8554-4D8B-9D56-B3E702215C37.jpg)

(https://lh3.googleusercontent.com/-ZBZWRTza36g/VoWt0W0GUhI/AAAAAAAAabg/-kibZcJ6ShE/s640-Ic42/1B72EF78-B4A1-4728-BB9B-F2E23EE3C85A3603B9B4-8BD9-45CF-8D87-D26A2E32EC2A.jpg) (https://lh3.googleusercontent.com/-ZBZWRTza36g/VoWt0W0GUhI/AAAAAAAAabg/-kibZcJ6ShE/s0-Ic42/1B72EF78-B4A1-4728-BB9B-F2E23EE3C85A3603B9B4-8BD9-45CF-8D87-D26A2E32EC2A.jpg)

(https://lh3.googleusercontent.com/-EPsw-BeybZc/VoWt1MitI2I/AAAAAAAAabo/atEchmuGjWU/s640-Ic42/E09D0CD8-5BCC-419E-A46A-8E927347470D93EA06A8-0AE1-4817-A1C0-589E1CCDC099.jpg) (https://lh3.googleusercontent.com/-EPsw-BeybZc/VoWt1MitI2I/AAAAAAAAabo/atEchmuGjWU/s0-Ic42/E09D0CD8-5BCC-419E-A46A-8E927347470D93EA06A8-0AE1-4817-A1C0-589E1CCDC099.jpg)
Title: Re: another Warmonger commission
Post by: Stormwind on January 01, 2016, 01:16:42 PM: Oh very nice!
Title: Re: another Warmonger commission
Post by: forbes on January 01, 2016, 01:48:54 PM: These look tempting.

Not that I need any more Halberdiers - but I said that about the xbows, and these look nicer.

The top left one, looks like he would make an ace Warden of the Tower of London, from Tudor times.
Title: Re: another Warmonger commission
Post by: dry_erase on January 01, 2016, 03:11:04 PM: Once again, these are excellent and I'm always impressed by how efficiently you go from idea to delivery!

Like the crossbows, I don't need halberdiers at all and I'm really looking forward to some of your other planned miniatures. But also like the crossbows, I'll buy some anyway.
Title: Re: another Warmonger commission
Post by: Stormwind on February 05, 2016, 03:57:49 PM: Any more greens for the halberdiers?

I'm egging on my friend Christoph to plan an Empire/DoW army so having basic troops available will be great.
Title: Re: another Warmonger commission
Post by: Tiberius on February 05, 2016, 08:44:48 PM: I'll be buying some halberdiers. Those are gorgeous. Nice work, I can't wait!
Title: Re: another Warmonger commission
Post by: Dave on February 05, 2016, 11:41:39 PM: Nothing yet, had a few more sales but not enough to comission anything yet.
Title: Re: another Warmonger commission
Post by: Dave on February 26, 2016, 05:20:14 PM: Commissioned the banner and musician strip for these guys today.
Title: Re: another Warmonger commission
Post by: forbes on February 28, 2016, 07:01:27 PM: Cool. I so don't need these, I must have a dozen painted Empire Halberdier units. But they do look really good.
Title: Re: another Warmonger commission
Post by: Stormwind on February 28, 2016, 09:19:53 PM: Great to hear, I'm sure these will be the equal of the already brill other units.
Title: Re: another Warmonger commission
Post by: Dave on March 04, 2016, 05:30:33 PM: Got some shots of the command strip from Bob:

(https://lh3.googleusercontent.com/-N7_M6zJN2Lg/VtnFRGsX09I/AAAAAAAAazQ/BywYx6WEmwM/s640-Ic42/Image-1.jpg) (https://lh3.googleusercontent.com/-N7_M6zJN2Lg/VtnFRGsX09I/AAAAAAAAazQ/BywYx6WEmwM/s0-Ic42/Image-1.jpg)

These were meant to be based facing the narrow edge of the stip (one behind the other) so the standard won't work as is. I've asked Bob to shelf the standard for now (saving it for a command pack down the road) and sculpt another standard that'll work when facing the narrow edge. The fifer is likely going to get a helmet too.
Title: Re: another Warmonger commission
Post by: Stormwind on March 04, 2016, 06:39:11 PM: Oh that's a shame! Well I love the flautist there. =)
Title: Re: another Warmonger commission
Post by: Dave on March 08, 2016, 01:22:29 PM: Take two:

(https://lh3.googleusercontent.com/-eF4tDbAOIlU/Vt7RpRPeBWI/AAAAAAAAa1A/5184r-SS6-o/s640-Ic42/Image.jpg) (https://lh3.googleusercontent.com/-eF4tDbAOIlU/Vt7RpRPeBWI/AAAAAAAAa1A/5184r-SS6-o/s0-Ic42/Image.jpg)

(https://lh3.googleusercontent.com/-Ojhl_pyP5lw/Vt7Rpu3Bb8I/AAAAAAAAa1E/4FBvoNU903U/s640-Ic42/Image-1.jpg) (https://lh3.googleusercontent.com/-Ojhl_pyP5lw/Vt7Rpu3Bb8I/AAAAAAAAa1E/4FBvoNU903U/s0-Ic42/Image-1.jpg)
Title: Re: another Warmonger commission
Post by: mlkr on March 08, 2016, 01:29:49 PM: Good stuff!
Title: Re: another Warmonger commission
Post by: Stormwind on March 08, 2016, 04:12:52 PM: Oh neat! Glad that these are coming along.
Title: Re: another Warmonger commission
Post by: Bel on March 09, 2016, 02:05:44 AM: great idea for making banners
Title: Re: another Warmonger commission
Post by: adamsg01 on March 09, 2016, 12:43:23 PM: these blokes are the bee knees. Better start saving now I guess...Thanks for the update
cheers
Title: Re: another Warmonger commission
Post by: Dave on March 09, 2016, 05:01:02 PM: I got shots of the final sculpts from Bob today:

(https://lh3.googleusercontent.com/-_nJG5xDCYho/VuBWKT8YGcI/AAAAAAAAa3k/o5RF8l-a8TU/s640-Ic42/Image-1.jpg) (https://lh3.googleusercontent.com/-_nJG5xDCYho/VuBWKT8YGcI/AAAAAAAAa3k/o5RF8l-a8TU/s0-Ic42/Image-1.jpg)

(https://lh3.googleusercontent.com/-5ScWT9KPejU/VuBWKQq_wTI/AAAAAAAAa3o/dlq1qhU8ptY/s640-Ic42/Image-2.jpg) (https://lh3.googleusercontent.com/-5ScWT9KPejU/VuBWKQq_wTI/AAAAAAAAa3o/dlq1qhU8ptY/s0-Ic42/Image-2.jpg)

(https://lh3.googleusercontent.com/-Xtsv5wMTno4/VuBWKacxeaI/AAAAAAAAa3s/O7Il1br-N44/s640-Ic42/Image-3.jpg) (https://lh3.googleusercontent.com/-Xtsv5wMTno4/VuBWKacxeaI/AAAAAAAAa3s/O7Il1br-N44/s0-Ic42/Image-3.jpg)

(https://lh3.googleusercontent.com/-9J6iU4ATEtY/VuBWKhzrGWI/AAAAAAAAa3w/mZVA1J3eb0c/s640-Ic42/Image.jpg) (https://lh3.googleusercontent.com/-9J6iU4ATEtY/VuBWKhzrGWI/AAAAAAAAa3w/mZVA1J3eb0c/s0-Ic42/Image.jpg)

I expect I'll commission the last eight sculpts in April, and will likely do the Kickstarter for them then too.
Title: Re: another Warmonger commission
Post by: forbes on March 09, 2016, 07:19:26 PM: Looks really good.

If I'm being picky, The head of the banner bearer perhaps looks a little small - it may be the close fitting plain helmet, but it doesn't look quite tall enough. There was one of the Zweihander chaps who had this too.
Title: Re: another Warmonger commission
Post by: Dave on March 10, 2016, 04:09:18 PM: I'll take a look when they get here to see how it measures up. I'm not too worried on the height thing, there's 1mm of variance between most of the figs so far.
Title: Re: another Warmonger commission
Post by: Stormwind on March 10, 2016, 04:14:14 PM: Really great progress.

How close are we to Halberdiers at this point? As soon as they're done I'll post them on my local forum. My friend Christoph wants an Empire army, I really want to get him to buy of proxies from you!
Title: Re: another Warmonger commission
Post by: Dave on March 10, 2016, 04:41:51 PM: I'll likely do the KS to cover the last 8 sculpts, moulding and casting in April. Delivery would likely be June.
Title: Re: another Warmonger commission
Post by: forbes on March 10, 2016, 05:25:26 PM: Quote from: Dave on March 10, 2016, 04:09:18 PM
I'll take a look when they get here to see how it measures up. I'm not too worried on the height thing, there's 1mm of variance between most of the figs so far.

Sorry, not the comparative height of the figures, just the size of the top part of his head- it looks a bit small. It may just be the visual effective of a tight fitting helmet.
Title: Re: another Warmonger commission
Post by: Dave on March 10, 2016, 06:16:52 PM: Ah, it might be compounded by the fact that the images are 800-1000% bigger than the figures. It it's noticeable in-the-putty I can bulk it up before casting.
Title: Re: another Warmonger commission
Post by: andys on March 10, 2016, 07:59:35 PM: Just to throw something into the figure size discussion - could I suggest a drummer boy for the musician if any more infantry units are planned?
Title: Re: another Warmonger commission
Post by: Dave on March 10, 2016, 08:06:41 PM: I'm planning on doing one more banner/musician infantry strip (for the command pack) and that will have a drummer on it.

If you back the KS and would like the drummer strip from the Zweihander pack instead of the new fifer strip just let me know. If I have extras (probably have a few) I can swap them out for you.
Title: Re: another Warmonger commission
Post by: Geep on March 11, 2016, 01:43:20 AM: Looking good. Is it possible to order multiples of just the banner and musician? Aligned the way they are means they'd fit the previous hand gunners and crossbowmen too.
Title: Re: another Warmonger commission
Post by: Dave on March 11, 2016, 02:52:31 AM: The zweihander strip ought to work too. Either way let me know when filling out the KS survey, I can get extras for you.
Title: Re: another Warmonger commission
Post by: Dave on March 11, 2016, 01:52:20 PM: Just sold another 20 packs so the Kickstarter for the Halberdiers is a definite thing for April. I'll start work on it when I get back from Adepticon.
Title: Re: another Warmonger commission
Post by: toadie on March 11, 2016, 08:30:02 PM: Quote from: Dave on March 11, 2016, 01:52:20 PM
Just sold another 20 packs so the Kickstarter for the Halberdiers is a definite thing for April. I'll start work on it when I get back from Adepticon.

Some of the 20 packs are for me I think :) So I hope you mean you'll start work on the Kickstarter after Adepticon, rather than start work on fulfilling those orders! ;)
Title: Re: another Warmonger commission
Post by: Dave on March 11, 2016, 08:40:33 PM: Ya, the KS. If you're Kyle, your stuff is on its way.
Title: Re: another Warmonger commission
Post by: toadie on March 11, 2016, 09:56:41 PM: No not Kyle... :(

Paypal says my stuff is on it's way though :)
Title: Re: another Warmonger commission
Post by: Stormwind on March 22, 2016, 04:26:21 PM: Excellent, my friend has got Empire on his list next, hopefully he'll be ordering some Zweihanders at the very least, and some other things if I twist his arm.
Title: Re: another Warmonger commission
Post by: Dave on March 26, 2016, 11:34:58 AM: Bob's going to be working on the last 8 sculpts these next few weeks. I'll likely launch the KS the second week of April.
Title: Re: another Warmonger commission
Post by: Dave on April 06, 2016, 01:40:53 PM: Some WiP that I got from Bob last week. Still hoping to launch next week, I need to get the KS approval first though. That usually takes a couple of days.

(https://lh3.googleusercontent.com/-JTHeN-AQ8EE/VwUC7i-mKJI/AAAAAAAAbHU/dy4yP_uWNdIvX9cyru6CTsjy4ECp-SGhQCCo/s640-Ic42/unnamed.jpg) (https://lh3.googleusercontent.com/-JTHeN-AQ8EE/VwUC7i-mKJI/AAAAAAAAbHU/dy4yP_uWNdIvX9cyru6CTsjy4ECp-SGhQCCo/s0-Ic42/unnamed.jpg)

(https://lh3.googleusercontent.com/-mlC1fETpeGI/VwUC7zRo9OI/AAAAAAAAbHY/47ZcvExvC9g3aVTqo29VtY-SmzZ34ISCQCCo/s640-Ic42/unnamed2.jpg) (https://lh3.googleusercontent.com/-mlC1fETpeGI/VwUC7zRo9OI/AAAAAAAAbHY/47ZcvExvC9g3aVTqo29VtY-SmzZ34ISCQCCo/s0-Ic42/unnamed2.jpg)

(https://lh3.googleusercontent.com/-4NhhFBSGT-M/VwUC789TuBI/AAAAAAAAbHc/eLWCyh2r8fcnQUYmXnZfPDWr9I6ravokQCCo/s640-Ic42/unnamed3.jpg) (https://lh3.googleusercontent.com/-4NhhFBSGT-M/VwUC789TuBI/AAAAAAAAbHc/eLWCyh2r8fcnQUYmXnZfPDWr9I6ravokQCCo/s0-Ic42/unnamed3.jpg)
Title: Re: another Warmonger commission
Post by: Stormwind on April 06, 2016, 03:50:07 PM: Bloody hell those are great
Title: Sv: another Warmonger commission
Post by: Aquahog on April 07, 2016, 07:57:21 AM: Looking sharp. I might consider a second Empire army.
Title: Re: another Warmonger commission
Post by: werthor on April 07, 2016, 10:07:24 AM: Wow, great minis there!
Title: Re: Sv: another Warmonger commission
Post by: forbes on April 07, 2016, 03:23:51 PM: Quote from: Aquahog on April 07, 2016, 07:57:21 AM
Looking sharp. I might consider a second Empire army.

I like your thinking. I so don't need more halberdiers but these look really good.
Title: Re: another Warmonger commission
Post by: Dave on April 07, 2016, 05:31:50 PM: Thanks guys.

My plan was to use these as DoW "Swordsmen" and save the more elite Zweihander for the 5+ save Marauders.
Title: Re: another Warmonger commission
Post by: Tiberius on April 07, 2016, 06:12:57 PM: Fantastic! Can't wait!
Title: Re: another Warmonger commission
Post by: Geep on April 08, 2016, 07:52:49 AM: Excellent models- andI'm very interested in the insight into his sculpting technique. I wouldn't have guessed you'd use wire pushed into the cork to act as a weapon haft.
Title: Re: another Warmonger commission
Post by: Lex on April 08, 2016, 09:32:55 AM: These make me re-consider making a 10mm version for Mordheim or Frostgrave......
Title: Re: another Warmonger commission
Post by: toadie on April 30, 2016, 09:53:35 PM: Quote from: Lex on April 08, 2016, 09:32:55 AM
These make me re-consider making a 10mm version for Mordheim or Frostgrave......

Me too... as in:
Frostgrave: Into the Breeding Pits (https://www.amazon.co.uk/Frostgrave-Into-Breeding-Joseph-McCullough/dp/1472815742) + DragonLock (https://www.kickstarter.com/projects/1679800548/dragonlocktm-28mm-scale-dungeon-gaming-terrain/description) + DragonLock @ 10mm (http://fatdragongames.proboards.com/thread/3568/printing-dragonlock-10mm-scale) + 10mm minis