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Warmaster => [WM] Warmaster Fantasy Discussion => Topic started by: Barry Pittman on September 23, 2016, 02:05:17 PM
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Hi,
I hope it is OK to post the details of my Kickstarter here....
The 10mm Ogre Kickstarter will be going live in 10 days time, on the 3rd October 2016.
Checkout the preview page and please give feedback and spread the word. The world needs 10mm Ogres!
https://www.kickstarter.com/projects/blackgateminiatures/461973223?token=88e1351f (https://www.kickstarter.com/projects/blackgateminiatures/461973223?token=88e1351f)
Thanks
Barry
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I see schwager made the art ! cool !
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Oh dang that's... You wait years for an Ogre project and then two come along at once! :-X
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What's the other one?
Edit: Obvious question - will the figures be available outside of the Kickstarter after it's finished? I'm not certain I want an Ogre army just at the moment. After I've worked my way through the lead mountain in front of me - next year sometime at this rate - I might be interested.
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Edit: Obvious question - will the figures be available outside of the Kickstarter after it's finished? I'm not certain I want an Ogre army just at the moment. After I've worked my way through the lead mountain in front of me - next year sometime at this rate - I might be interested.
Certainly hope so, if the Kickstarter funds. However, there will be discounts and free stuff in the Kickstarter that will be exclusive to that campaign.
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I really love the Cannoneers, they are absolutely excellent.
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Looking forward to this!
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The clock is running....
Help make the world's first full range of 10mm Ogres a reality!
https://www.kickstarter.com/projects/blackgateminiatures/10mm-fantasy-ogre-miniatures-from-black-gate-minia (https://www.kickstarter.com/projects/blackgateminiatures/10mm-fantasy-ogre-miniatures-from-black-gate-minia)
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I'm a Chieftain now! 8) 8) 8) 8)
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I'm a Chieftain now! 8) 8) 8) 8)
Thank you Ole :)
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This is exciting.
I would /beg/ that, especially if the funding continues to climb up, you consider swapping out the Giant level with artillery options, as there are already some great giant proxies available right now and at least one more coming that I know of.
I've cross posted it on my forum - are you going to post it on Tactical Command and other forums?
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Yes, i agree about the Giant and if the Snow Ogres could swap places with the Mammoth Riders, that would be helpful too.
Copplestones 15mm Snow Trolls could be said to fill the Yhetee slot in the army list, whereas there's nothing easily available to make Rhinox Riders, apart from Eureka's Woolly Rhinos - but they need riders adding to them :(
So bringing the cavalry closer to the start of the list lets backers create a more varied army, assuming the later goals aren't reached.
I'm not sure Greenlings are needed. There are plenty of goblinoid figures on the market already.
Barry - PM sent.
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I'm thinking of going in for the Chieftain level but really hoping that it gets to cannon wielding or armoured chaps to add some variety to the units.
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I'm thinking of going in for the Chieftain level but really hoping that it gets to cannon wielding or armoured chaps to add some variety to the units.
Hmm, yes indeed. Despite what I posted upthread, I must admit I'm very tempted. Might go for the Chieftain level and possibly add an extra couple of units to it. The Character pack would be nice as well.
With some Magister Militum goblin units I've already got and giants, I'd only need to get some Copplestone Snow Trolls to have a >2000 point army.
Must admit, a £1000 seems a big jump to get to release a 4 figure character pack and later a single Chieftain figure, which is then free to the bigger backers. Not sure how that's going to go TBH.
29 days to decide whether to go for it or not.
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This should definitely get cross-posted on the warmaster.fr community, I'm sure it would attract some attention there.
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Thanks for the feedback.
I was maybe a little over cautious with the stretch goals and am working at maybe re-doing them to get the Mammoth Riders way up the list. Subject to that being acceptable to KS and not bad form.
The character pack is a very difficult one. The sculpts are more expensive, being characters. The art is more expensive, again being characters. Added to that people only ever want one character pack no matter how big the army gets. The chances of the characters breaking even financially are very slim and so they are effectively being cross subsidised by the basic units. I will most likely push the character pack down the stretch goals.
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I have reworked the Stretch Goals a little.
The main reason is to get the things people have been asking me most about in the last 24 hours closer to the top of the Stretch Goal list.
The 2nd Stretch Goal at £3,000 now has two parts. The first unlocks the Cannoneer unit and the second triggers the Free Ogre Chieftain model to all pledges of Ogre Chieftain or above. I love this model and so wanted to produce it as soon as financially viable.
The second change is to the 3rd Stretch Goal at £4,000, this again has two parts now. The are both related to the Mammoth Riders and £4,000 give you access to either the unit of three riders and mounts for £10 per unit or the character rider and mount for £5. They have been moved up the list a long way, as people really wanted to see these guys, but in doing so the Mammoth Riders have moved to be a £10 add-on.
The final change is to remove the rest of the Stretch Goal for the time being. They haven't gone away for good, but I think it best to focus on what is most achievable.
Well it's been an interesting first 24 hours and a lot of fun. Ogres for ever!
Barry
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Thank you for listening, it definitely makes it more interesting to me and I'm sure it will for others to.
I have participated in getting figures made and I am aware of the costs of trying to go for a high variety of models. Because GW could afford to offer them at the same price as rank and file blisters I think there's a skewed sense of the value of things like characters and monsters.
I notice you were mentioned on the French forum a while back, too!
https://translate.googleusercontent.com/translate_c?depth=1&hl=en&prev=search&rurl=translate.google.co.uk&sl=fr&u=http://warmaster-fr.niceboard.com/t3152-encore-des-ogres&usg=ALkJrhhIKTNGC-rLn0MFYh25Q-1jEK-Pcw
I'll chuck myself in for Chieftain level at some point soon. If funding does go well enough to get to say, Mammoth riders, I would increase the level to build up an army.
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I'm in for four units :)
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I'm in for four units :)
Thank you Mark :)
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I am delighted to be able to announce that Black Gate Miniatures first product line has funded!
Thanks to each and every person who has pledged to make this dream a reality.
Now I need to convince enough people in the next 27 days to back this project to release not only the Armoured Warriors but the Cannoneer, Chieftain and Mammoth Riders.That means we need to get to £4,000, it sounds like a lot, but it would only take another 50 people pledging £60 each.
I will do everything in my power to spread the world and am working on sending out marketing packs and contacting gaming media outlets, as well as working forums and Facebook etc. But I need your help. Everyone who has backed the project will get a better range of product the further up the Stretch Goals we manage to get. It really is what Kickstarter was designed for. We all win if we can get more people involved in the pledging. So please help spread the word!
I will look at creating some fun add-ons next. Maybe dice. People seem to love dice.
Anyway, we are halfway through day 3 and I can tell you it is a little tiring running a Kickstarter, I can't believe it is only Wednesday.
Thanks again for getting us to funded so quickly.
Barry
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Posted it on the Tactical Command forum!
http://taccmd.tacticalwargames.net/viewtopic.php?f=54&t=31682
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Posted it on the Tactical Command forum!
http://taccmd.tacticalwargames.net/viewtopic.php?f=54&t=31682
Thank you.
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Right, I'm in for 10 units.
Have many of the French community backed this yet? I vaguely recall they put together a joint order for the Evil Men campaign?
Looking forward to a character pack either during the campaign or afterwards if possible.
Barry - assuming the campaign fell a little short of either the £2000 or £3000 goals, what are the chances you'd cast up those "missed" figures as part of the campaign please? It'd be very nice to get the full range available eventually.
Edit: As Stormwind says upthread, if the higher goals are reached, I'd probably increase my pledge as well.
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Right, I'm in for 10 units.
Have many of the French community backed this yet? I vaguely recall they put together a joint order for the Evil Men campaign?
Looking forward to a character pack either during the campaign or afterwards if possible.
Barry - assuming the campaign fell a little short of either the £2000 or £3000 goals, what are the chances you'd cast up those "missed" figures as part of the campaign please? It'd be very nice to get the full range available eventually.
Edit: As Stormwind says upthread, if the higher goals are reached, I'd probably increase my pledge as well.
Thanks for your support Andy.
The plan is to get as much as possible done through the Kickstarter. I am confident that we can now hit £2,000 as a minimum, as we are at £1228 after 4 of the 30 days. That would then unlock the Armoured Warriors. Once they unlock I will launch a new pledge level for 12 units @ £90 with a extra little free exclusive something to say thank you to those willing to buy 12 units. That would allow you, worst case scenario, 8 units of Warriors and 4 Armoured Warriors for £90. That would be a good backbone of any Ogre army.
After the Kickstarter ends, the miniatures will revert to the RRP of £9 per unit.
I certainly hope to be able to continue and roll out the rest of the range either via a further Kickstarter in 2017 or privately financed.
Cheers
Barry
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From the 10mm Wargaming FB Group. (https://scontent-lhr3-1.xx.fbcdn.net/v/t1.0-9/14519893_1186259131466579_1022880157010353519_n.jpg?oh=f17e8a107b2b5ee09f6c55b0f82a8b39&oe=586A847B)
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Looking sweet (and backwards compatible)!
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I'd definitely recommend posting on the French forums, they were a significant portion of my first KS. I found this thread there but no KS link:
http://warmaster-fr.niceboard.com/t3152-encore-des-ogres
Same goes for TMP, it ranks high on the referral traffic as well.
I can also send out an e-mail to my maillist, if you like.
Finally, I suggest a 1GBP donation level. You won't get many there, but every bit counts.
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The Evil Men KS got just over £2600 and 58 backers for a reasonably comprehensive range. I suspect this KS might not hit £3k but should easily reach £2k. Fingers crossed I'm hopelessly wrong!
Come on guys, get pledging!
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I'd definitely recommend posting on the French forums, they were a significant portion of my first KS. I found this thread there but no KS link:
http://warmaster-fr.niceboard.com/t3152-encore-des-ogres
Same goes for TMP, it ranks high on the referral traffic as well.
I can also send out an e-mail to my maillist, if you like.
Finally, I suggest a 1GBP donation level. You won't get many there, but every bit counts.
Thank you Dave for all your advice.
I am on TMP is the Crowd Funding and now the 15mm boards.
Will put in a Greenling £1 pledge level in the next few days.
Have been a bit scared of posting on the foreign boards as my French is poor, but if it not offensive to them to post in English then I will give it a go over the weekend.
Finally, if you would send out a message for me that would be great.
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The Evil Men KS got just over £2600 and 58 backers for a reasonably comprehensive range. I suspect this KS might not hit £3k but should easily reach £2k. Fingers crossed I'm hopelessly wrong!
Come on guys, get pledging!
I have a few things planned for wk2 including add-ons of custom dice and cheap base packs and also Christian Schwager is working on some Mammoth Rider concept art for me.
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I usually just write the message in English and post it along with a google translate French version in the same post. If anyone was offended they didn't say anything on the thread.
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I'm certain marell wouldn't be offended if you asked him for a little help. :)
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Posted up. Needs to get some pictures on there later.
http://warmaster-fr.niceboard.com/t3152-encore-des-ogres#42266 (http://warmaster-fr.niceboard.com/t3152-encore-des-ogres#42266)
Thanks for your help chaps.
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Congrats for hitting the target!
But the real party starts at 3000 I guess.
Ole
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Don't hesitate to post in english on our forum, it's not a big problem as long as it's for the WM cause ;)
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Don't hesitate to post in english on our forum, it's not a big problem as long as it's for the WM cause ;)
Thanks :)
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So week 1 is in the books and we managed to get to over 150% funded. This mean we are well on the way to getting those Armoured Ogre Warriors unlocked at £2,000.
We have received a lot of positive press from all over the gaming community and that, together with the collective push from our backers, has created a good vibe around the project.
Meanwhile, I have given in to demands for a higher pledge level and created the "King of the North" pledge level. For £90 you will get twelve units and a pair of exclusive Black Gate D6's as a special thank you. They will be in Gemini Black/Red with Gold, for those who know the Chessex range.
Next we have two new Add-Ons, both available now.
Black Gate D6's at £1 each or £10 for twelve in either Ivory or White.
40x20mm basing packs. Laser cut 2mm MDF in packs of 50 for £3.
Finally, I have some exciting stuff planned for later this week including the concept art for the Mammoth Riders from Christian. So keep spreading the word please.
Ogres forever!
Barry
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Good work Barry !
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I note that the warriors and armoured guys comprise 9 individual sculpts, whereas the cannoneers are only 4 sculpts.
Whilst freely admitting I know nothing about the economics of the cost of an individual sculpt, it seems to me that if the number of sculpts at the first two goal levels were reduced, the actual cost and thus goal level for those two might also be reduced?
So if the first two units only had, say, 5 or 6 individual sculpts, might we now have the armoured guys funded and be well on the way to the cannoneers and the chieftain? I'm sure no one would object to repeated figures in a unit, we tend to have that from most manufacturers already. Just a thought.
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Good work Barry !
Thanks Lex
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I note that the warriors and armoured guys comprise 9 individual sculpts, whereas the cannoneers are only 4 sculpts.
Whilst freely admitting I know nothing about the economics of the cost of an individual sculpt, it seems to me that if the number of sculpts at the first two goal levels were reduced, the actual cost and thus goal level for those two might also be reduced?
So if the first two units only had, say, 5 or 6 individual sculpts, might we now have the armoured guys funded and be well on the way to the cannoneers and the chieftain? I'm sure no one would object to repeated figures in a unit, we tend to have that from most manufacturers already. Just a thought.
Thanks for the feedback.
It is very true that the vast majority of the costs for the Warriors and Armoured Warriors is in the sculpting and yes, if we only did 6 sculpts per unit we would have funded them by now. However, they are the backbone of the army and I feel they need to look good. At 10mm, and 8-10 to a base, repeated miniatures are not a problem but at 18mm and 3 to a base they will stand out a lot more.
I have had to compromise on the Cannoneers and some of the other later Stretch Goals because they just won't sell in big enough quantities to cover their costs. People may want a unit or two of them but usually no more than that. So they have fewer sculpts per unit to make them viable. They will still look good though :)
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Arrived at this party a little late, a recent binge of the podcasts brought it the campaign to my attention! Love the sculpts Barry, and painted up they look fabulous. I'll defiantly be checking out the pledges this evening.
I wish you every success with the kickstarter and hope you get to unlock all those very exciting extras.
Oh, and I'm really enjoying your podcasts so thanks for putting all that time into those episodes.
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I note that the warriors and armoured guys comprise 9 individual sculpts, whereas the cannoneers are only 4 sculpts.
Whilst freely admitting I know nothing about the economics of the cost of an individual sculpt, it seems to me that if the number of sculpts at the first two goal levels were reduced, the actual cost and thus goal level for those two might also be reduced?
So if the first two units only had, say, 5 or 6 individual sculpts, might we now have the armoured guys funded and be well on the way to the cannoneers and the chieftain? I'm sure no one would object to repeated figures in a unit, we tend to have that from most manufacturers already. Just a thought.
Thanks for the feedback.
It is very true that the vast majority of the costs for the Warriors and Armoured Warriors is in the sculpting and yes, if we only did 6 sculpts per unit we would have funded them by now. However, they are the backbone of the army and I feel they need to look good. At 10mm, and 8-10 to a base, repeated miniatures are not a problem but at 18mm and 3 to a base they will stand out a lot more.
I have had to compromise on the Cannoneers and some of the other later Stretch Goals because they just won't sell in big enough quantities to cover their costs. People may want a unit or two of them but usually no more than that. So they have fewer sculpts per unit to make them viable. They will still look good though :)
No problem, it's your project when all is said and done.
I just thought that, for example, the warrior with the top knot and the 2 spiked club (?) could be customised by users by either cutting off his top knot and/or one of the spikes on the club to increase the variety of what would otherwise be two (or three) identical figures. I don't know if similar simple customisation could be done to any of the other figures.
Getting close to £2k now, fingers crossed we get as far as £3k :D
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Ogre Mammoth Riders!
https://www.kickstarter.com/projects/blackgateminiatures/10mm-fantasy-ogre-miniatures-from-black-gate-minia/posts/1710455 (https://www.kickstarter.com/projects/blackgateminiatures/10mm-fantasy-ogre-miniatures-from-black-gate-minia/posts/1710455)
Let me know what you think of them.
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Ogre Mammoth Riders!
https://www.kickstarter.com/projects/blackgateminiatures/10mm-fantasy-ogre-miniatures-from-black-gate-minia/posts/1710455 (https://www.kickstarter.com/projects/blackgateminiatures/10mm-fantasy-ogre-miniatures-from-black-gate-minia/posts/1710455)
Let me know what you think of them.
In a word:
"GIMMEGIMMEGIMME" ;)
Man those look good, all extremities crossed this encourages lots more folks to pledge.
What are your plans if we don't get to the next goal Barry, even though it's only £300 away at this point? Individual KS (with lower goals?) to get the Armoured Ogres, Cannoneers and Mammoth riders done?
I find it hard to believe that only 1 person has pledged from France at the moment, I thought the WM community over there was quite active.
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Maybe your announcement on the French forum got buried as you did it as a reply to someone else starting it.
Might be a good idea to repost as entirely your own topic?
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Ogre Mammoth Riders!
https://www.kickstarter.com/projects/blackgateminiatures/10mm-fantasy-ogre-miniatures-from-black-gate-minia/posts/1710455 (https://www.kickstarter.com/projects/blackgateminiatures/10mm-fantasy-ogre-miniatures-from-black-gate-minia/posts/1710455)
Let me know what you think of them.
In a word:
"GIMMEGIMMEGIMME" ;)
Man those look good, all extremities crossed this encourages lots more folks to pledge.
What are your plans if we don't get to the next goal Barry, even though it's only £300 away at this point? Individual KS (with lower goals?) to get the Armoured Ogres, Cannoneers and Mammoth riders done?
I find it hard to believe that only 1 person has pledged from France at the moment, I thought the WM community over there was quite active.
I am still confident that we will make at least £2,000, given my conversations with Kickstarter veterans. There tends to be a rush of activity at the beginning and the end of the project and a lull in between. In hindsight, maybe a two week deadline would have worked better for this project.
We just need to focus on getting the £270 needed to fund Warriors and Armoured Warriors via the Kickstarter, then I am sure we can get the rest of the range sorted given time using either a second Kickstarter or private funding.
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Maybe your announcement on the French forum got buried as you did it as a reply to someone else starting it.
Might be a good idea to repost as entirely your own topic?
We have a bit of traction now since the Mammoth Rider release but will start a new thread if it stalls.
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Ogre Mammoth Riders!
https://www.kickstarter.com/projects/blackgateminiatures/10mm-fantasy-ogre-miniatures-from-black-gate-minia/posts/1710455 (https://www.kickstarter.com/projects/blackgateminiatures/10mm-fantasy-ogre-miniatures-from-black-gate-minia/posts/1710455)
Let me know what you think of them.
In a word:
"GIMMEGIMMEGIMME" ;)
Man those look good, all extremities crossed this encourages lots more folks to pledge.
What are your plans if we don't get to the next goal Barry, even though it's only £300 away at this point? Individual KS (with lower goals?) to get the Armoured Ogres, Cannoneers and Mammoth riders done?
I find it hard to believe that only 1 person has pledged from France at the moment, I thought the WM community over there was quite active.
I am still confident that we will make at least £2,000, given my conversations with Kickstarter veterans. There tends to be a rush of activity at the beginning and the end of the project and a lull in between. In hindsight, maybe a two week deadline would have worked better for this project.
We just need to focus on getting the £270 needed to fund Warriors and Armoured Warriors via the Kickstarter, then I am sure we can get the rest of the range sorted given time using either a second Kickstarter or private funding.
If/when it does go over £2k, i'll add another £15 to my pledge. I'd like 8 warriors + 4 armoured warriors, but not 12 basic warriors 😊
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Armoured Ogre Warriors have unlocked! Fantastic news for anyone wanting a 10mm Ogre army.
To say I am happy is an understatement.
https://www.kickstarter.com/projects/blackgateminiatures/10mm-fantasy-ogre-miniatures-from-black-gate-minia/posts/1713016 (https://www.kickstarter.com/projects/blackgateminiatures/10mm-fantasy-ogre-miniatures-from-black-gate-minia/posts/1713016)
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In that case, "Pledge increased".
Would it be too much to ask for an intermediate goal - the Chieftain figure gets unlocked at £2500?
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Hooray! I'm in the same boat as Andy, I'll be increasing my pledge to a Chieftain soon as well.
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Barry,
Just a suggestion for the next KS.
Instead of setting a goal for a unit of X figures, why not set goals for individual figures, for example:
Goal 1 - Cannoneer No. 1
Goal 2 - Cannoneer No. 2
Goal 3 - Mammoth Rider No. 1
Goal 4 - Cannoneer No. 3
Goal 5 - Cannoneer No. 4
Goal 6 - Character No. 1
Goal 7 - Mammoth Rider No. 2
Goal 8 - Character No. 2
Goal 9 - Mammoth Rider No. 3
Goal 10 - Character No. 3
Goal 11 - Mounted Character No. 1
etc.
Presumably each goal would be quite low (<£100/figure), so based on the current crop of backers, you'd quickly meet the early goals. Failure to hit higher goals would simply mean units would have fewer numbers of individual figures but, importantly, different unit types could be created to make up an army and you could pick Mammoth Riders for either units or characters.
Based on the artwork, if the Mammoth Riders are pretty much identical below the waist, it could be an easy set of goals to get them released?
Looking at your current pricing, each figure is around a £1 or so, so people would probably be happy to put £30-40 in. With 40 backers, the early goals would be a snip.
I can't help but think that this approach might result in higher backing. Worth a try? We could be certain of then getting both Cannoneer and Mammoth Rider units and at least mounted characters.
Assuming my guess of £1/figure and £100/goal is right, at the current level of backing, we'd have 20 goals unlocked (less Kickstarters cut presumably). Even if you only got half that, almost all of the figures I've mentioned above would be unlocked. Backers then just let you know how many of which figures they want for the amount they've backed. If that makes sense?
Edit: In fact, now that the Armoured guys are unlocked, if you did this much lower level of unlocking for individual figures now, I'd almost certainly chuck in enough extra cash for up to 4 units of Cannoneers if two or more individual figures got unlocked, probably more if Mammoth Riders were in the picture.
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If it's any help I've put a link on my blog. Hey, "no such thing as bad publicity" as they say!
Hope the pledges keep rolling in.
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In that case, "Pledge increased".
Would it be too much to ask for an intermediate goal - the Chieftain figure gets unlocked at £2500?
I have reworked the Stretch Goals. They are now split.
£2,500 - Cannoneers
£3,000 - Ogre Chieftain
£3,500 - Mammoth Riders
£4,000 - Character Mammoth Riders
I am also going to put an add-on price of £3 on the Ogre Chieftain for people not getting it free on the £60+ pledge but still wanting a one.
Hope this helps keep things moving along.
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If it's any help I've put a link on my blog. Hey, "no such thing as bad publicity" as they say!
Hope the pledges keep rolling in.
Thank you :)
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I have reworked the Stretch Goals. They are now split.
£2,500 - Cannoneers
£3,000 - Ogre Chieftain
£3,500 - Mammoth Riders
£4,000 - Character Mammoth Riders
I am also going to put an add-on price of £3 on the Ogre Chieftain for people not getting it free on the £60+ pledge but still wanting a one.
Hope this helps keep things moving along.
This site needs a "like" button :)
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Hi Barry,
about the Mammoth Riders. Are you planning to bring one miniature per 20*40mm base?
Cheers
Ole
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Blimey, I go away for a day or two and it leaps up £600!
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Really like the woolly mammoths, but what about doing a Coelodonta Antiquitatis to interchange with them?! ;) http://rhinos.org/species/extinct-woolly-rhino/
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Hi Barry,
about the Mammoth Riders. Are you planning to bring one miniature per 20*40mm base?
Cheers
Ole
Yes, one per base. They will be way too big to share bases I think.
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Really like the woolly mammoths, but what about doing a Coelodonta Antiquitatis to interchange with them?! ;) http://rhinos.org/species/extinct-woolly-rhino/
Nice idea, I will keep it in mind going forward.
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Looking on the French forum just now, it looks like a couple of the guys on there will be pledging soon. If the pledge gets over (or very near) £2500, I'll be throwing another £30 into the pot for 4 units of cannoneers.
C'mon guys, where ever you are in the world - get pledging! :D
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Chucking in my chieftain pledge momentarily.
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Chucking in my chieftain pledge momentarily.
Thank you :)
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£2,500 and the Ogre Cannoneers!
https://www.kickstarter.com/projects/blackgateminiatures/10mm-fantasy-ogre-miniatures-from-black-gate-minia/posts/1719661 (https://www.kickstarter.com/projects/blackgateminiatures/10mm-fantasy-ogre-miniatures-from-black-gate-minia/posts/1719661)
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Woohoo!!! That's super exciting! We will have some proper ogre armies now!
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Increased my pledge to £120 now. Well done Barry ;D ;D
Can't help but think that if the Mammoth Riders were available at £3000, instead of the Chieftain, we'd be very close to, or even over the £3k already.
The vibes I'm getting from the French forum are that they are interested in those particular figures more than the others. Which may go some way to explaining why there aren't any French backers, at least yet?
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Excellent great news!
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Increased my pledge to £120 now. Well done Barry ;D ;D
Can't help but think that if the Mammoth Riders were available at £3000, instead of the Chieftain, we'd be very close to, or even over the £3k already.
The vibes I'm getting from the French forum are that they are interested in those particular figures more than the others. Which may go some way to explaining why there aren't any French backers, at least yet?
We have a couple of French backers, they got us past the £2.5k goal.
Kicktraq has the project funding tracking at £3479.
Worst case scenario, I will run another Kickstarter or privately fund the Mammoth Riders.
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Worst case scenario, I will run another Kickstarter or privately fund the Mammoth Riders.
Barry, I'd seriously suggest considering looking at individual figure goals for another Kickstarter. That way at least some of what you've got planned will be funded by the KS. Any goals that aren't then reached (hopefully they all will be though!) would then be less of a financial burden to you.
Theres a community of 50 or so people interested in these figures. Based on your pricing of £5(?) for the foot characters, £5 for the mounted ones and £10 for the Mammoth riders, a total of 9 figures I think it was. I'd guess the next KS would bring in about £1k or so. So setting low-ish goals would possibly make it easier to get some of the 9(?) figures funded quickly.
Will you be having a website to sell this range on, like Dave's Warmonger site? Could you even have a joint venture with Dave, where his and your figures are marketed from the same site? A one-stop shop for independent figure vendors perhaps?
Edit: When you look at the Dogs of War army list, Dave's figures fill the first 4 slots with basic human infantry, your Ogres are in there as well and a Mammoth Rider would make a very nice Tuska model.
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As I have used your podcast to motivate me into painting my 2000 pt Empire army for the Tri Wiz this year I thought it only fair to fund your Kickstarter in return.
Bring on the Ogres!
Iain S
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As I have used your podcast to motivate me into painting my 2000 pt Empire army for the Tri Wiz this year I thought it only fair to fund your Kickstarter in return.
Bring on the Ogres!
Iain S
Thank you Iain for both you kind words and your backing.
Look forward to meeting you in a couple of weeks time at the Tri Wiz.
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Only 48 hours left!
https://www.kickstarter.com/projects/blackgateminiatures/10mm-fantasy-ogre-miniatures-from-black-gate-minia/posts/1723725 (https://www.kickstarter.com/projects/blackgateminiatures/10mm-fantasy-ogre-miniatures-from-black-gate-minia/posts/1723725)
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We did it! Ogre Warriors, Armoured Warriors and Cannoneers are coming!
https://www.kickstarter.com/projects/blackgateminiatures/10mm-fantasy-ogre-miniatures-from-black-gate-minia/posts/1726139 (https://www.kickstarter.com/projects/blackgateminiatures/10mm-fantasy-ogre-miniatures-from-black-gate-minia/posts/1726139)
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Well done!
Thank you sir!
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Congratulations Barry, "Well done that man" :D
Although I was getting a bit worried towards the end, with some people dropping out and changing their pledges!
Obvious question - when is the next Kickstarter? "Tomorrow" would be good, with low goal levels, so we can get the characters and mammoth riders done. No pressure ;) :D
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Yes I'd happily pledge chieftain level, again, to get command, artillery, small monster riders, big monster rider.
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Thank you for your comments.
I will admit, the last week was quite stressful, with 11 pledges being cancelled for more than £700! We seemed to be on the verge of £3000 and then barely over £2500 in just a few hours.
Lessons have been learnt.
I plan to put all the money raised into delivering the pledges (minimum 18 more sculpts, master moulds, production moulds and the Pewter to cast them all up) and then what's left will be spent on expanding the range. I won't be making a penny on this :) Hopefully, some time in the future, I will make some money from this project but not at this stage.
Give me a few weeks to thrash things out and then I will set out my plans.
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Good Luck! Thanks for putting all this effort into it. You are doing a great service for us!
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Thanks, Barry, that often seems to be the case with these things. We are, alas, a niche within a niche. :-X
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We have reached an important milestone in the journey.
All 22 miniatures for phase 1 have been sculpted. I have 11 with me and the rest have been paid for and are in transit.
Next is the production stage. I am planning to break the back of the production in February and we should hopefully be in good shape come the beginning of March.
For pictures of the rest of the models follow the link below. Extreme close ups on small models don't do them justice, these guys are going to be great on the table.
https://www.blackgateminiatures.com/gallery/ (https://www.blackgateminiatures.com/gallery/)
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Looking good! Now that the roof is paid for I'll be happy to get some at the general release. :)
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Very nice indeed. I'm guessing I won't be the only one who will be mixing the armoured and unarmoured command figures up a little to create more varied units?
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Thanks for the updates!
In an earlier email you suggested a2nd kickstarter would take place - would that be later this year?
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Thanks for the updates!
In an earlier email you suggested a2nd kickstarter would take place - would that be later this year?
I am working on the second Kickstarter and just need to get the production sorted for Phase 1 first.
Won't be long though before Phase 2, maybe this even later this month.
At present my plan is:
Mammoth Riders, Characters (including on Mammoths), then possibly Yeti's or Greenlings.
You can also get stuff from Phase 1 as an add-on, but not at the exclusive £7.50 per unit price from the first Kickstarter, the cheapest price will be £8 a unit.
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Excellent! I would beg for some kind of artillery instead of Greenlings as I believe Polar Fox already has some Snotling type characters out that might be suitable? I haven't seen them in person, though.
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Minis look great. Really glad I backed the Kickstarter! And I look forward to Black Gate Miniatures future projects!
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Excellent! I would beg for some kind of artillery instead of Greenlings as I believe Polar Fox already has some Snotling type characters out that might be suitable? I haven't seen them in person, though.
Bel kindly sent me a unit of Grotlings at Christmas which are perfect as Gnoblars. I'll doubtless be ordering some more at some point - when I've reduced the size of the metal heap!
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I'm far too late in noticing this, so I dunno if you're still reading this topic, but I have to say the designs are looking good. I'm especially impressed that your designer turned out fantasy mammoths that actually look like mammoths. Except for one thing, that I really hope is addressed before too much sculpting is underway:
Elephants aren't fully digitigrade. They don't have the same 'crooked' back leg as horses or dogs.
(http://cdn2.arkive.org/media/AA/AA47ACC4-5C6E-4B6E-9C10-29F68203DD71/Presentation.Large/African-elephant-herd-in-habitat.jpg)
(https://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/thumb/e/e7/Elephant_skeleton.jpg/640px-Elephant_skeleton.jpg)
(http://taiwanaut.files.wordpress.com/2014/02/mammothskeleton.png)
(http://www.sciencephoto.com/image/576629/large/C0198641-Horse_skeleton-SPL.jpg)
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I'm far too late in noticing this, so I dunno if you're still reading this topic, but I have to say the designs are looking good. I'm especially impressed that your designer turned out fantasy mammoths that actually look like mammoths. Except for one thing, that I really hope is addressed before too much sculpting is underway:
Elephants aren't fully digitigrade. They don't have the same 'crooked' back leg as horses or dogs.
(http://cdn2.arkive.org/media/AA/AA47ACC4-5C6E-4B6E-9C10-29F68203DD71/Presentation.Large/African-elephant-herd-in-habitat.jpg)
(https://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/thumb/e/e7/Elephant_skeleton.jpg/640px-Elephant_skeleton.jpg)
(http://taiwanaut.files.wordpress.com/2014/02/mammothskeleton.png)
(http://www.sciencephoto.com/image/576629/large/C0198641-Horse_skeleton-SPL.jpg)
Thanks for the input.
Nothing is sculpted yet. The one Mammoth kicking around is a test for scale.
I will feed it back to my sculptor when I get to the stage of commissioning them.
Cheers
Barry
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Barry,
A request - be careful not to make the mammoth figures, including the riders, too tall please. Think about storing them in boxes when completed? 50mm maximum would be good.
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Quick update.
The moulds for the Warriors and Cannoneers are done.
I have cast up 75 units of Warriors and 40 units of Cannoneers so far.
Now working on the moulds for the Armoured Warriors over the next week or so.
Everything is on track and delivery should be on schedule in April.
Link below to my latest Kickstarter update if you want to see some pictures.
https://www.kickstarter.com/projects/blackgateminiatures/10mm-fantasy-ogre-miniatures-from-black-gate-minia/posts/1818846 (https://www.kickstarter.com/projects/blackgateminiatures/10mm-fantasy-ogre-miniatures-from-black-gate-minia/posts/1818846)
Cheers
Barry
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Wicked, thanks for the update!
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Luvly big box of lead-free pewter. ;D Hope the rest of it goes smoothly for you.
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Very excited! Thanks for all your hard work!
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Played Barry at Warmaster last night and took deliver of my relatively small contingent of Ogres. They look excellent! Will paint some up as soon as possible and post pictures in the modelling and painting section of this site.
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Thank Jim.
In other news....
The Ogres are now available from the Black Gate Miniatures store https://www.blackgateminiatures.com/store/ (https://www.blackgateminiatures.com/store/)
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Mine arrived safe and sound and they are great!
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Mine arrived today. So much metal, sweet! That lot will keep me going for a while - 16 Ogre units :) :) :)
So, Barry, when is the next KS then? No pressure (much ;))
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Next Kickstarter is hopefully in June for the Mammoth Riders and Characters.
My sculptor has been ill recently and so I am waiting for him to be well again before committing to dates. I don't want to give a time frame and then miss it :)
Thanks for the positive reviews guys, it makes the hard work worth it.
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As promised above, painted ones can be seen here http://www.forum.specialist-arms.com/index.php?topic=8797.0#new
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I got mine a few weeks back as well, and forgot to thank you Barry for all your hard work. They arrived across the pond safe and sound, and they look excellent!
Looking forward to seeing your next work!
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Tomorrow sees the launch of phase 2, which will bring to life the Mammoth Riders with a pledge target of only £500. It will feature three individually sculpted Ogre riders and three Mammoth mounts (£10) and for the first time ever, we will be running an "Early Bird Special" for the first 50 backers. Those first 50 backers will be able to purchase units of Mammoth Riders for only £8 per unit, a saving of 20% on the regular price.
Stretch goals include a character pack featuring 2 Shaman and 2 Chieftain models (£10 add-on), released at £1,000, and the Shaman and Chieftain riding Mammoths (£6 add-on), released at £1,500. More stretch goals will be added as the campaign progresses.
All phase 1 Ogres will also be available, as add-ons. £9 for one unit, £8 each for four or more units.
Please visit the Kickstarter preview page https://www.kickstarter.com/projects/blackgateminiatures/1043539538?token=ac1cbda9 (https://www.kickstarter.com/projects/blackgateminiatures/1043539538?token=ac1cbda9) comment, spread the word and help the second stage of the army become a reality.
Thank you all once again for your help and hopefully see you on the Kickstarter site!
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Great news. Pity I won't be around tomorrow but I'll definitely be backing you on Tuesday evening when I get home.
Not that I'll be buying any, (I've still to start painting the 16 units I bought the first time around!), but will any new phase 1 purchases count towards the goals?
Edit: As there were about 50 people who backed Barry for the first phase, I think the first £500 will be met easily. Pledging at the Early Bird level of £16 only needs 32 people to hit that goal. Even if people are cautious and just go for this level, thinking they can use one unit as cavalry and the second as characters, hopefully enough will back it to push the cash up to £800, which will encourage people to throw in a little extra to hit the foot characters goal of £1k.
I'm less sure that £1.5k will be reached though - come on guys, prove me wrong! ;D
Edit 2: Hmmm. If the Early Bird people throw in £24, that'd be 2 units of cavalry and 1 unit for characters. More importantly, 50 x £24 = £1200, nicely over the second goal and letting folks switch their order to 2 cavalry and 1 foot character pack later on. ;D ;D
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Great! I will post it on my gaming forum.
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Edit 2: Hmmm. If the Early Bird people throw in £24, that'd be 2 units of cavalry and 1 unit for characters. More importantly, 50 x £24 = £1200, nicely over the second goal and letting folks switch their order to 2 cavalry and 1 foot character pack later on. ;D ;D
I'll be pledging £10 for a unit, £10 for the character pack, and then £32 for four units of Ogre Warriors (I misjudged using the older Ogre units with the newer ones - no way! - and only got two units of regular Warriors. I need six for 2000 points!). So £52 from me.
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Thanks everyone.
I am really excited about this set of releases. My sculptor Robi is promising great things.
Even if we get to £1,000, that would mean the core of an army would be available including a set of characters.
After running the first Kickstarter, I can see why manufacturers stayed away from Ogres. The number and cost of sculpts involved makes it virtually impossible to produce them. I can only afford to do it because I am dealing with the production myself and making no profit at this stage. Maybe one day in the future :)
Anyway, enough chatter. The 2nd Kickstarter is now live and you can find it at https://www.kickstarter.com/projects/blackgateminiatures/10mm-ogre-mammoth-riders-from-black-gate-miniature (https://www.kickstarter.com/projects/blackgateminiatures/10mm-ogre-mammoth-riders-from-black-gate-miniature)
Please back it if you can and spread the word around any smaller Warmaster communities that you may be a part of.
Thanks
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Backed, despite this blasted smart phone. Just looked and its only a few quid short of the first 500! Impressive, well done Barry!
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Relayed on the french forum.
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how can I chose the extra stretch goals? when I select the ogre warrior i can't select the opend stretch goal? Or do I get an additional mail once pledged? im a kickstarter noob ;D
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pledge done !
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Posted it on my forum. I think I'll be the only one to back it as I'm the big Warmaster fiend in my group but still, does no harm to spread it around the net. = )
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As I type this, we're only £62 away from £1500. Extremely impressive indeed!
I've upped my pledge to £26, to get 2 units of riders and the character pack. When it goes over £1500, I'll be chucking in another £6 for the mounted character.
Nice one Barry :)
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All going swimmingly so far. Just over 24 hours in and almost at £1,500.
Yeti's are at £2,000 and then will try and get additional unit types added per £500. This could be a really big moment for 10mm Ogres.
Alexander - I think I have spoken to you via Kickstarter but PM me if you need any more info.
Thanks to everyone who has backed or share the project.
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And just over £1500, so I've upped my pledge to cover a mounted character :) :) :)
Barry - got any artwork for the Yetis please?
A scraplauncher, errm, rubbish thrower ;) would be nice.
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Yes, some kind of --- artillery thing would be nice. I'm not too fussed by a 'giant beast' figure as Eureka have a huge mammoth that could do for that in a pinch.
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Artillery is a nice idea. What do you see exactly ?
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Kickstarter Update 3:
Reaching £1,500 so quickly is both a blessing and a headache :)
I have my stretch goals planned out, but only had art created for the Mammoth Riders and first two stretch goals (Characters and Character Mammoth Riders). The reason is pretty simple. I have to pay for the art when it is completed and so I felt confident getting those three pieces commissioned, but didn't think we would be this far along so quickly, and planned on having more time to get the next lot of art work done.
Anyway, it's a nice problem to have and I am working on sorting the Yeti art today.
Also, we are down to less than 20% availability on the "Early Bird Special" and so grab it quick!
Regards
Barry
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Fingers crossed by the time you get the artwork sorted it'll be over £2k anyway.
Now there are 3 4 infantry units, 1 cavalry, foot and mounted characters available, you'd like to think a gaming shop somewhere would pledge an amount to get some stock in. Just one shop putting in a decent sized pledge would tip it over £2k and encourage individuals to pledge even more. Everyone wins.
Edit: And now over £2k, so I've increased my pledge to cover a couple of Yeti units. :)
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Yeti are unlocked!
Update 4:
What can I say but thank you. Three days in and we have unlocked our third stretch goal.
Say hello to the Yeti....
(https://ksr-ugc.imgix.net/assets/017/308/529/b53ac6c27d13b2d6e4f9bdacc54ae85d_original.png?w=639&fit=max&v=1498743705&auto=format&lossless=true&s=54a54295a35172c96fa4315d30ea3e6e)
I think Christian really hit the ball out of the park with these guys. A little taller and leaner than their home loving Ogre brothers, these guys will be a welcome addition to any Ogre army.
And what is the next stretch goal?
£2,500 - Savage Kin. Crazy, bestial, insatiable Ogres.
I will update everyone as soon as I have the art ready!
Cheers
Barry
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Oh yes, those Yeti look suitably wild and vicious!
I suppose the Savage Kin will not in any way shape or form be Gorger(ou)s ;)
Congratulations once again Barry, this really is going very well indeed.
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Oh man yes, I had forgotten about the possibility of a brutal / wild unit!
I can't believe how well this has gone!
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Looking at the number of backers and the total amount pledged (so far!), I think several people must be buying various infantry units from the previous Kickstarter. Which must go a long way to the funding of this second one.
That works for me, as we get even closer to a full set of units for an Ogre army.
The third phase, assuming Barry has one planned, will be interesting...
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£2,363, now. I haven't even put my money in yet. Was planning on one of each "unit".
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Update 4:
Christian has been working hard, and with only £31 to go to release the Savage Kin, I thought it would be cool to share you were we are up to with them.
(https://ksr-ugc.imgix.net/assets/017/321/378/45a7c2d68172e0ac5d73294e602889e2_original.jpg?w=639&fit=max&v=1498814097&auto=format&q=92&s=3be8d106c6c749e74feeaedefd0afd7d)
I know you are going to love them. I certainly do!
We only have one more stretch goal left for phase 2, the mighty Hill Giant. Then I will have to bring the whole of the phase 3 Kickstarter forwards and include it this phase 2 Kickstarter. Amazing stuff.
Not complaining, just a whole lot of work :)
Cheers
Barry
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Blimey! I would beg you to consider exchanging the Giant with either artillery or hill goblins etc. as there are some really good Giant proxies already available (Copplestone, Polar Fox).
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I agree. I've got 5 giants across my various armies, I don't need any more!
Artillery for me please, goblinoid-type figures can be had aplenty already. Magister Militum and Polar Fox as two examples.
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Update 5:
Unbelievable. 4th Stretch Goal in 4 days!
Wow, things are really moving on now.
After the Yeti yesterday, we now the Savage Kin released. They are available as an add-on for £8 a unit. RRP will be £9 after the Kickstarter finishes.
Next up will be a Hill Giant. The art is in the pipeline, but we are still playing catch up, and the Savage Kin concept art is next to be produced.
So, I will have to use words to describe the Hill Giant. He won't be wearing a bucket on his head and won't be bending the knee in servitude to anyone. This guy is going to look fantastic on the table and will be atleast 32mm to the eye.
Release at £3,000, as an £8 add-on. He will retail at £10 after the Kickstarter.
After this stretch goal, we will be onto the Greenlings!
Cheers
Barry
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I understand your hesitation around giants but I promise, you don't have a giant like the one I am going to produce. This guy is going to be a house.
The Phase 3 Kickstarter was planned to produce the Greenlings and Artillery but things are moving very quickly and we are almost out of things to produce in Phase 2 :)
Finally, I plan on having a whole Ogre range available. That is the goal. People don't want to have to shop around, pay multiple postage charges, deal with different scales from different manufacturers. They just want to order an army, base it, maybe paint it and play :)
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The Phase 3 Kickstarter was planned to produce the Greenlings and Artillery but things are moving very quickly and we are almost out of things to produce in Phase 2 :)
That's fine but think of the outlay backers might have to make. Whilst it would be nice to buy an army in one big hit, some people might not be able to afford it. Or be able to justify it to their better half :o.
Perhaps leaving the Phase 3 units until next year would be helpful? There's also a better chance that in Phase 3 new backers will appear who decide to put extra cash in to buy Phase 1 and 2 units, thus making the Phase 3 goals more easily attained.
Softly, softly, catchee monkey?
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I understand your hesitation around giants but I promise, you don't have a giant like the one I am going to produce. This guy is going to be a house.
The Phase 3 Kickstarter was planned to produce the Greenlings and Artillery but things are moving very quickly and we are almost out of things to produce in Phase 2 :)
Finally, I plan on having a whole Ogre range available. That is the goal. People don't want to have to shop around, pay multiple postage charges, deal with different scales from different manufacturers. They just want to order an army, base it, maybe paint it and play :)
Great news, sir. But please make sure he fits onto a 20mm x 40mm base facing the small edge.
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I must admit, I would rather have it all sooner rather than later - I won't start painting an army until I know I have all the units available to clean, glue, base, undercoat at the same time!
I don't own any giants (Don't have an O&G army) so I will put money down for this one! I guess it's a good idea to have figures that all the fit the same aesthetic.
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Great news, sir. But please make sure he fits onto a 20mm x 40mm base facing the small edge.
Will do :)
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OK, I threw my pennies in!
I pledged £68 which I think is right for:
2 Rider Units
1 Command Unit
2 Command Riders (1Shaman + 1Hero)
1 Yeti Unit
1 Brutal Ogre Unit
1 Giant Unit
Oh lord, more (lead-free) lead for the mountain! = P
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Perhaps leaving the Phase 3 units until next year would be helpful? There's also a better chance that in Phase 3 new backers will appear who decide to put extra cash in to buy Phase 1 and 2 units, thus making the Phase 3 goals more easily attained.
Softly, softly, catchee monkey?
That was the plan but the plan seems to have gone out of the window :)
The Greenlings are going to need a big budget to get them done properly. Most likely £1000. My idea was that they would be the focus of the 3rd Kickstarter and allow people to buy in to older stuff to help it fund. However, if the Hill Giant funds, I don't have anywhere else to go in this Kickstarter but the Greenlings. I could flesh out the units with more sculpts, but on balance I think people want the range finished ASAP instead.
Mo money, mo problems. This first week has been mental.
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OK, I threw my pennies in!
I pledged £68 which I think is right for:
2 Rider Units
1 Command Unit
2 Command Riders (1Shaman + 1Hero)
1 Yeti Unit
1 Brutal Ogre Unit
1 Giant Unit
Oh lord, more (lead-free) lead for the mountain! = P
Thanks you :)
I reckon your bill should be:
2 Rider Units £16
1 Command Unit £10
2 Command Riders (1Shaman + 1Hero) £12
1 Yeti Unit £8
1 Brutal Ogre Unit £8
1 Giant Unit £8
Total = £62
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I am curious about the Greenlings, did you want them as strips rather than individual figures to show them being something of a horde?
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Oh, well if it goes on I guess that £2 extra will go towards Greenlings. =- P
The thing about Greenlings is that as a cheap (points wise) horde unit that you need to boost the break point of an otherwise very elite army, it is likely that everyone will want to buy several of them. Myself I'd like four for a start. My initial plan was to use the grots that Polar Fox do and paint them blue/grey.
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My plan with the Greenlings is to make them like Rat Swarm bases. So a little bit smaller than a 20mm x 20mm. Aiming for 4 different sculpts, one to be the "Command base".
That will hopefully allow some very dynamic sculpts and a nice amount of variety within the units.
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OK, will I actually be able to get my paintbrush in to paint them, then? = P
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The thing about Greenlings is that as a cheap (points wise) horde unit that you need to boost the break point of an otherwise very elite army, it is likely that everyone will want to buy several of them. Myself I'd like four for a start. My initial plan was to use the grots that Polar Fox do and paint them blue/grey.
I think the Greenlings goal, once announced, will be reached very quickly for the above reason. I'll be getting four as well, since the WM:R rules let gnoblars brigade with other units, they're perfect for backing up Leadbelchers and other units, which frees up your Ironguts and Bulls to get stuck in.
After the Greenlings, I guess there's just the Junk Catapult left? I've seen some suggestions for Mercenary Ogres.
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I think the Greenlings goal, once announced, will be reached very quickly for the above reason. I'll be getting four as well, since the WM:R rules let gnoblars brigade with other units, they're perfect for backing up Leadbelchers and other units, which frees up your Ironguts and Bulls to get stuck in.
I am not sure they will get a buff that big in the final rules for this first WMR release. They can go with Yehtee and maybe the Scrap Launchers but they can't back up "regular" Ogres.
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I am not sure they will get a buff that big in the final rules for this first WMR release. They can go with Yehtee and maybe the Scrap Launchers but they can't back up "regular" Ogres.
Huh, really? Is the WMR list going to be different than the Trial List on the WMP Facebook page? There it has that Gnoblars can support normally, but can't be supported except by Gnoblars. I would have thought making Gnoblars a little more useful would have gone a long way to increasing Ogre's playability.
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I think that, no matter the exact rules - we can all agree they are an essential "disposable" unit like Rat Swarms for Skaven and Skeletons for the Undead armies.
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Have you kept it updated on the French forum? That might be what's needed to nudge it to 3k.
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If gnoblars cant even support ogres then i don't see a real purpose for them. Cant be supported, cant give support other then to other gnoblars uhmm can't figure out what use they have other then to add breakpoint and hid them in a forest or something. They are easy breakpoint give away for a very low breakpoint army.
I hope they get a little better than that. :-\
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Latest update:
Giant almost released! Greenlings next!
What an amazing week it has been.
The Kickstarter has moved far more quickly than the first one and delivered a massive boost to the range of Ogre figures that will be available.
I can finally share the Savage Kin art, They funded before the art was released, just like the Yeti.
(https://ksr-ugc.imgix.net/assets/017/367/778/712a75f493548c19d95a944dc41e2943_original.jpg?w=639&fit=max&v=1499157971&auto=format&q=92&s=cd37f66a35d27836e95f6a9cb6abf206)
We are also very, very close to the Hill Giant funding (£41 away at the time of writing).
Christian has again excelled himself and I am happy to be able to share the Hill Giant art.
(https://ksr-ugc.imgix.net/assets/017/367/796/f2fca2e78fda38df842e5007c612c871_original.png?w=639&fit=max&v=1499158114&auto=format&lossless=true&s=34bd25019b1f9a57a33d60275c1d10d9)
I love the "Astonished Human", it made me laugh out loud.
Next up will be the Greenlings and then the Greenling Artillery and then we are done. I will finalise the final stretch goal today.
Cheers
Barry
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The giant looks great!
Saw the new army lists - shame about the gnoblars. I suppose the addition of the Scrap Launcher could allow for a brigade of a unit of Yhetees, a Scrap Launcher, and two Gnoblars to act as a flank blocker or line disruptor.
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Operation Greenling is go!
It's time to try and get the Ogre army list finished and so I am going to roll the remaining stretch goals into one single amount.
If we get to £4,000 then we will unlock both the Greenlings and the Greenling Junk Lobba.
Christian is working on the art but you will have seen some Greenlings starting to appear in the recent pieces.
They will be available for £6 a unit during the Kickstarter as an add-on, with the same price be charged for both the Greenlings and Greenling Junk Lobba, The RRP will be £7.50 each after the Kickstarter ends.
One final push and the army will be complete!
Cheers
Barry
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Good stuff Barry a cracking kickstarter. I'll be upping my pledge (yet again!). Personally, I wish the startled/scared human in the giant picture would be available as a kickstarter exclusive! ;)
Just noticed some Ogre Kingdoms army list changes in the first WMR armies version for those that are interested:
4 - Iron Guts to 140pts
5 - Ogre Bulls to 105pts
24 - Rhinox Riders changes
32 - Ogre Leadbelchers as CD Blunderbusses
33 - Ogre Scrap Launcher to be added
34 - Ogre Butcher Rhinox mount
http://warmaster-cz.blogspot.co.uk/2017/07/warmaster-revolution-armies-v01.html (http://warmaster-cz.blogspot.co.uk/2017/07/warmaster-revolution-armies-v01.html)
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I don't care about the rules - that's just a suggestion for an experimental list. I'll write my own list, same as wood elves, just so that I can use all the pretty models I like the look of. =-D
OK, putting up my pledge up by £30 for four greenlings and a scrap launcher!
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Blimey, on £3,695 right now.
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And £3801 now.
I can't help but think that the Mammoth Riders would make good proxy Chaos Knights or even Dragon Ogres, were a player so inclined. Just a thought - that hopefully might encourage a few more pounds out of backers...
Want to see it over £4k, then I'll put more in for a couple of Lobbas.
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If you put in the £12 for two lobbas now... we'll be £12 closer to that goal. = P
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If you put in the £12 for two lobbas now... we'll be £12 closer to that goal. = P
Well seeing as £4k has been passed, there's no rush now. I'll bung it in nearer the end.
Congratulations Barry!
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Bloody hell!
Quick! Think of more things to do --- Greenling trappers! Giant cats! Cauldron of Guts Ogre! King Midas Ogre!
Gigantic mammoth monster and riders?
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Thank you.
Will post a proper update tomorrow but basically we are now in the realms of additional free stuff because the range is done. Bits of art work, additional sculpts to add variety to units. Whatever I can come up with :)
First up I reckon will be the Ogre General. Free to everyone who buys a unit of Mammoths and the Character Pack.
(https://ksr-ugc.imgix.net/assets/013/729/856/7d42fc6ffc05cd2af4c73dd42ab82d1d_original.jpg?w=680&fit=max&v=1473844544&auto=format&q=92&s=d46cca0e1bbe93146cedd61b1aa13ee7)
This guy is going to cost me quite a bit to produce, the art is more expensive than normal, plus the sculpting, moulding, casting etc. £300 stretch goal, we are on £4,133 and so almost 50% of the way there already!
This Kickstarter has really been amazing.
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Wow that went quick.
-The 'astonished guy' freebie would be funny. :D
-A set of sabretooth tigers to add with the characters?
-Special character figure Golfag Maneater!
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I look forward to it!
I think that probably we are spent now - I am absolutely gobsmacked and super happy it's gone this far. The only thing I could possibly wish for now would be a Monstrous Mammoth figure or a Cave Lion unit. I know those won't happen so I'll probs go to Eureka for those!
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Update 9:
The Ogre army is complete, now time for some fun stuff!
We have gone past the £4,000 mark and that means the whole of the Ogre army will be sculpted. I am speechless at how well this has gone.
So now is the time to start giving stuff back to you awesome people who helped make this Kickstarter a success.
First up will be an awesome free character model for everyone who pledges for a minimum of a unit of Mammoth Riders and a Character add-on pack.
(https://ksr-ugc.imgix.net/assets/017/408/581/7d42fc6ffc05cd2af4c73dd42ab82d1d_original.jpg?w=639&fit=max&v=1499416469&auto=format&q=92&s=d77ed2212e090e459ff7ad781f137277)
This guy is going to cost me far more than normal to produce, partly due to the incredible art that Christian produced. So the stretch goal is going to be set at £4,300. Things are moving very quickly at the moment and are already on £4,135.
Ogres forever!
Barry
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Pledge increased. Again. ;D
Barry, are you sure the Lobba will fit on a 40x20mm base?
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I promise to do my best with the Junk Lobba basing.
At worst, the four legs of the Mammoth and the wheels of the Junk Lobba will be on the base, with some overhang at the front (tusks) and back (flat bed). Hopefully, any overhang will be at a higher level than normal 10mm stuff.
Also, not all the artillery pieces GW produced fit well on 40mmx20mm. It's a lot of model to fit in a small space and the scale of the miniatures has to be constant, so I can't "shrink" the Mammoth to make it fit.
Hopefully that explains where we are at with the Junk Lobba.
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Nice one Barry. If you could give us an indication of the overall footprint - when you know it - buyers can then look at possibly sourcing a larger base size (50/60x20 perhaps). Hmmm, could you even include a bigger base in the pack if needs be?
Now, the obvious question is 'what next'? Dare we ask for a Skav, errm, Ratmen army from your goodself?? It's the one army that there are no decent alternative figures for.
Edit: Perhaps as part of this Kickstarter something simple, say a Rat Swarm, to gauge interest in a Ratmen army? The swarm is not something that is available elsewhere and thus could be a useful extra to aid sales on your website even if you didn't go on to produce a whole army.
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Whilst the official bigger scale artillery have animals pulling them, I would honestly only want the most detailed launcher possible for a 40mm by 20mm base. Kind of like the Orc Rock Lobba.
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Yes, perhaps it only needs wheels for mobility and one or two extra greenlings in the crew to help push?
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£4,570 now - how about those sabre tooth cave lions? ;-P
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Update:
The final week
It's been a blast so far. We have shot through all the Phase 2 stretch goals plus the whole of the of the planned Phase 3 Ogre Kickstarter! Amazing.
I need to be careful not to let Phase 2 get so large that the project time frame is risked. By "large", I am talking specifically about the number of different miniatures that need sculpting, moulding and casting. Just to be clear, it is pretty straightforward to cast a few extra copies of a miniature for which the production has already been sorted, but creating "new" lines will have to be restricted from this point. A company is only as good as it's word, and I have to be mindful of what has already been promised and for when.
I know that this will leave some people a little sad because they would like me to push on with more varied products for the Ogres or even into different ranges, and for that I apologise, but I believe this is the right business decision.
So, that is most likely the end of the stretch goals for this Kickstarter. Hopefully, everyone will enjoy the "free" miniature and art (subject to minimum pledge levels) and spread the word about 10mm Ogres.
Ogres forever!
Barry
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That is a 100% fair answer, I must admit I was not even considering the timeframe - I just got super carried away with how well it's done! <3
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I'd rather have a good looking junk lobba, than worry too much about squeezing it to a 20mm wide base.
Let the poor man get this KS delivered before worrying about the next one!!
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It is over
5200 5400 now and still going!
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The total has shot up in the last day or so.
I think it shows how good it is to be able to offer a whole army at one time. And to have amazing art work.
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Congrats Barry!
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I think that's the kicker! To be able to offer a whole army is a real "stone soup" affair, where everyone has to have the confidence to chip in a significant amount of £ all at once!
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I think Barry got it right with offering basic infantry units in phase 1, then the stuff in 2/3 that people might buy fewer of.
I'd imagine quite a few of the extra backers this time around must have bought good numbers of the basic units from phase 1, rapidly boosting the overall total and thus releasing the other goals.
And of course the original phase 1 backers were pretty much guaranteed to pledge to complete their armies. A double whammy?
Fingers crossed he decides to do it again with another army in a year or two, now we know how it can work out.
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Yeah once I invested in the first I was on the hook for this one. Immensely grateful to have the army over 2 years rather than 3, mind you!
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Actually it's going to be a touch over only one year. The first KS started October 2016 and Barry is hoping to deliver the goodies from this one in October this year.
An amazing achievement to be honest. More power to Barry!
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Thanks everyone for the feedback and support.
Latest update.
With just 24 hours left, this Kickstarter has surpassed my expectations by a long way.
The present total is £6,511, which is an incredible amount. A massive thank you to each and everyone of the backers that made this project possible.
So last call, for anyone wanting to get an Ogre army with a discount from the regular RRP and a couple of free bits chucked in.
Ogres forever!
Barry
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Post Kickstarter Update 1
It's been a couple of weeks (plus two days) since the Kickstarter ended and this morning the money finally come through. Once again, a big thank you to everyone who backed the project.
I have settled my account with Christian (Concept Artist) and paid for the first master Mammoth sculpt. The final miniatures will most likely be split into pieces to make casting easier.
(https://ksr-ugc.imgix.net/assets/017/757/575/720a038b12ac08fa580ebf3ad4f3f9dd_original.jpg?w=639&fit=max&v=1501667977&auto=format&q=92&s=cac7ee2ad5a258c8ccf11286b8e4ad7b)
Next up is one of the Shaman sculpts.
(https://ksr-ugc.imgix.net/assets/017/757/544/e1b3e7953ed6001712e3cf26f4f7670b_original.png?w=639&fit=max&v=1501667788&auto=format&lossless=true&s=c2f70c4f62a608de3d6c7d7861232a00)
The only other thing I need to keep you updated about is the time scale.
When I planned this Kickstarter, it was intended for the production of Mammoth Riders, but I also planned for making the Characters including the ones mounted on Mammoths. I didn't expect to be making the whole of the rest of the range. I am delighted to be able to produce the rest of the range but need to explain the process going forwards.
I have a single, very talented sculptor called Robi. We had discussed the Kickstarter before launch and he had created me a window in his sculpting schedule. This window was for the production of the Mammoth Riders and Characters. With the success of the Kickstarter (which is a good thing) the amount of work for Robi has increased considerably. He is trying to make more space for us, and it's possible that everything could be completed in time for me to meet the October deadline, but I need to inform people that the deadline may slip. I will however, make sure the Mammoths and Characters are ready on time, and if people want them shipped separately then we will sort that out individually.
I expect the next update in a week or two, when I have some more sculpts to share and maybe even a bit of moulding and casting.
I will also be holding off on sending the Backer Survey until probably early September, in order to be in a better position to ask the right questions about delivery etc. You can only send it once and so it has to be done right first time.
That's it for now.
Ogres forever!
Barry
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nice work, thanks for the pictures. Courage for the gestion of the terminated KS.
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Don't you worry about the delivery schedule. My lead mountain is not exactly diminishing any time soon! I'm happy to recieve the models whenver they are ready, and I am sure that most of the other backers would rather you take your time than rush things!
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/\ Wot 'e said. ;D
You've established your reputation as a reliable supplier in phase 1, don't sweat the delivery time too much.
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Latest update sent out today.
Post Kickstarter Update 3
Reward Survey day!
You should have received your Reward Survey today. Please return as soon as you are able.
Having accurate Reward Survey information will help me prioritise items in the production run.
Don't worry if you want more stuff than you pledged for. Just indicate on the Reward Survey what items you would actually like and we will include any additional payment along with the P&P invoice prior to shipping.
Now onto the production side. First up I have sent a set of 6 Mammoth "Dollies" back to Robi for him to create the variants for use with the Unit, Characters and Junk Lobba. We also has three different heads at present with varying degrees of armour, not easy to see in this picture.
(https://ksr-ugc.imgix.net/assets/018/341/252/da4caa270a9c992c13fa5f51febd44ff_original.jpg?w=639&fit=max&v=1505467011&auto=format&q=92&s=e42be965d1f560b93c9b74d1225ed2f5)
Next up is the Hill Giant. I am creating the production mould for the Hill Giant this weekend.
(https://ksr-ugc.imgix.net/assets/018/341/261/b393cd11d4cb94f45abf0ab05db8991f_original.jpg?w=639&fit=max&v=1505467115&auto=format&q=92&s=5189a7f5d92efa0ea22a5bfb103e1bba)
Finally, I realised I didn't share any pictures of the Savage Kin with you last update. Here is a picture of the miniatures from the master mould.
(https://ksr-ugc.imgix.net/assets/018/341/347/29c85b40d7df8644eeb6389ed7a67975_original.jpg?w=639&fit=max&v=1505467659&auto=format&q=92&s=4c72ebe606430d770702e5e1021a421f)
That's it for this update.
Have a good weekend.
Ogres forever!
Barry
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Everything nice !
I'm particularily fond of the mamoths.
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The Savage Kin are my faves so far. = )
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It's been a while but the rest of the sculpts are in.
Production work has recommenced!
https://www.kickstarter.com/projects/blackgateminiatures/10mm-ogre-mammoth-riders-from-black-gate-miniature/posts/2062566 (https://www.kickstarter.com/projects/blackgateminiatures/10mm-ogre-mammoth-riders-from-black-gate-miniature/posts/2062566)
I am especially happy with the Greenlings and Junk Lobba, should bring some fun to the army.
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Nice!
Presumably you'll be providing some sort of sketch as to which bits go where on the Lobba? Or taking some photos of a step by step assembly and posting them online?
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Is there a way to modify my pledge to update my delivery address - it turns out I'm moving house imminently so in the new year I will need these sent to a different place... :-X
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These are looking cool.
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The retail store is now fully updated and open at https://www.blackgateminiatures.com/ (https://www.blackgateminiatures.com/)
Free shipping subject to minimum spend. £30 for UK, £60 for Europe and £90 for the rest of the World.
Thanks again to all the forum members that helped get the Ogres this far.