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Specialist Games General Discussion => Modeling & painting => Topic started by: Gunslinger76 on March 06, 2017, 11:51:48 PM
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Hey everyone,
I'm starting a new Beastmen army and I've been sourcing units from a variety of locations to try out. I've found these minotaurs from Eureka Miniatures which I think are fantastic sculpts. However, I'm torn on how to base them.
The options are three across or three front, two back. I know the more "crowded" base strikes a more traditional Warmaster feel that I like. But I almost wonder if it looks too squished and you can't appreciate the models any more. Pics are below, all feedback welcome!http://cloud.tapatalk.com/s/58bdf5e6df7a8/IMG_20170306_175709986.jpg? (http://cloud.tapatalk.com/s/58bdf5e6df7a8/IMG_20170306_175709986.jpg?)
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Crowded looks nice but that will be hellishly hard to paint!
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I'd go 3,with two in front and one in back, then reverse it for thenext stand.
These will be done for Adepticon right?
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Hmmm. Not a bad idea Dave. I'll have to play around with that. And no, unfortunately not for Adepticon. I think the problem was that the Empire army wasn't quite motivating me enough to paint, whereas I'm excited to put this one together. I wish I'd looked into the models a few months earlier. It'll be competing for painting time with the Death Guard army I'm hoping to get together for NEAT.
Stormwind, I would need to lose my mind to try and paint a base that cluttered! I was aiming to base and paint the front row, then paint and add on the second. The models have great clean details that would be a shame to waste!
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Other musings, can anyone offer insight to why Centigors are based and treated like infantry? With the exception of pursuing. I'm just curious for the fluff/reasoning for that.
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I've done mine in 3s.
Whilst on this subject does anyone know anywhere for some suitable chariots? Pendraken and Kalistra are too big to fit on a 20mm x 40mm base
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My best guess on the Centigors is so that they can enter forests (the realm of the beastmen).
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Dave - hmm. Makes sense. Wish they were true calvary but it is fluffy.
Rodders - I'm going to try trimming the riders off of Orc Boar riders and using the boars to replace the wolves on Orc Chariots. I'm waiting on the chariots to show up, but once they do I'll post some pictures and my opinion on how I thought it worked out. Then I'm thinking on using the wolves as Chaos Hounds. Waste not, want not! And thanks for the tips on basing.
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Dave - hmm. Makes sense. Wish they were true calvary but it is fluffy.
Rodders - I'm going to try trimming the riders off of Orc Boar riders and using the boars to replace the wolves on Orc Chariots. I'm waiting on the chariots to show up, but once they do I'll post some pictures and my opinion on how I thought it worked out. Then I'm thinking on using the wolves as Chaos Hounds. Waste not, want not! And thanks for the tips on basing.
Doesn't Bel (Polar Fox) do some boars without riders? I'm sure I've seen a photo somewhere.
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The Orc Command pack came with a Boar chariot. That'd work well enough I'd think.
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I saw boar riders, chariots with wolves, and solo wolves, but no riderless boars. May have missed them though.
I remember see boars somewhere also, maybe pendraken. I'm not sure how they would scale. But since I haven't tried the kitbash yet, they could still be a possibility if this becomes too much of a headache.
And I did see that orcs had the character chariot with a boar. One of the other Beastmen projects I found on a blog actually used that for a Beastmen character. Tracking down 12 of those to proxy the tuskgor chariots though seemed a lot when it was only one figure out of the pack. I figured it would be easier to kitbash some instead.
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These are loose and riderless.
(http://www.dragonsford.com/warmaster/armies/orcs/army%20-%20orcs%20boar%20chariot.jpg)
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@Gunslinger76. I mounted my Eureka Minotaurs two to a base in my Beastmen army. Pictures here
http://www.forum.specialist-arms.com/index.php?topic=7829.0
Also, in a more recent use of the same minis, I took the time to replace their weapon shafts with paperclips
http://www.forum.specialist-arms.com/index.php?topic=8678.0
These are one to a base because they'll be proxying as Marauders.
Hope this helps you to visualise.
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@empireaddict That's a beautiful army, thanks for sharing! I really liked your paint job especially.
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Small update on the army. Test pack of orc chariots showed up. Still waiting on the orc riders to finish them up, but here's what we have so far. The chariot rider is from Eureka's Orge Beast pack.
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I've also got some pictures of the Centigors and Minotaurs, both from Eureka as well.
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Nice! On my to do list.
Better paint some of my existing armies first though...
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@Gunslinger76. Thanks. Hope your Beastmen project goes well.
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I appreciate the support, thanks everyone!
The boar riders came in and I trimmed the riders off. Here's what I ended up with:
I'm pretty happy with how they came out, so this is what I'll most likely be sticking with for the chariots. It's a little extra work trimming the orcs off, and I'll add some green stuff to patch up the boars, but I like the look it achieved.
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I'm hoping for a rough public opinion poll. I have the khorne daemon strips and the Eureka Orge beast man. I'm trying to decide which to use for beastherds and which for bestigors. I've got ideas for both sides, but I'm curious for what others think also. Feedback welcome!
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What size In The fluff are the herders and beastigors? The 6mm minotaurs from micro world games might fit the bill
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What size In The fluff are the herders and beastigors? The 6mm minotaurs from micro world games might fit the bill
I did take a look at those initially. I think they're going to come up too small though, even for beastherds. Bestigors are supposed to bit bigger, a bit beefier, and hitting a little harder. For me, it comes down to which looks like it'd mess your day up more! >:D
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Did a little kitbash to make some of my leaders. The model on the far left will be my general. The torso is from Magister millistrum's 15 mm Minotaur. The legs and horns are from Eureka's Orge Beastmen leader. The axe head and nose horn are from MM's 22mm minotaurs.
The far right will be my Doombull. It's one of MM's 22mm minotaurs. I added the lower side of the ax head to flesh out the look of a raging extra hulked out Minotaur.
The regular minotaurs and ogre Beastmen are for scale reference.
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Everything is really nice and great quality. I'm a fan.
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Everything is really nice and great quality. I'm a fan.
Thanks Marell! I appreciate the support. I'm going to shelve it until the end of the month as I finish getting ready for Adepticon, but in April and going forward I hope to start basically g and getting paint in these guys.
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Not sure how easy they would be to source in the US but take a look at Ral Partha beastmen. Scale is between the Eureka ogre and minotaur. Got some today and very pleased. Ill mix then with ogres for my bestigor units.
http://www.ralparthaeurope.co.uk/shop/blighthaven-15mm-c-119/warbands-c-119_120/bh004-beastmen-raiders-p-2847.html (http://www.ralparthaeurope.co.uk/shop/blighthaven-15mm-c-119/warbands-c-119_120/bh004-beastmen-raiders-p-2847.html)
As you're in the U.S. Blindhorizons' suggestion of Microworld is bang on. I haven't got any of these as the shipping is a bit pricey to go for a small order and if they're not right and I've gone large.... Beastkin brutes look like they might be a starter for herd kin as well.
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Not sure how easy they would be to source in the US but take a look at Ral Partha beastmen. Scale is between the Eureka ogre and minotaur. Got some today and very pleased. Ill mix then with ogres for my bestigor units.
http://www.ralparthaeurope.co.uk/shop/blighthaven-15mm-c-119/warbands-c-119_120/bh004-beastmen-raiders-p-2847.html (http://www.ralparthaeurope.co.uk/shop/blighthaven-15mm-c-119/warbands-c-119_120/bh004-beastmen-raiders-p-2847.html)
As you're in the U.S. Blindhorizons' suggestion of Microworld is bang on. I haven't got any of these as the shipping is a bit pricey to go for a small order and if they're not right and I've gone large.... Beastkin brutes look like they might be a starter for herd kin as well.
Thanks for adding those links! I'll need to look into them a little closer. As of right now, I think I'll be using the old Khorne Daemon Horde for the beastherd, and the Eureka minis for the bestigors. I need to put in an order w Pendraken for the herdkin.
That order from Pendraken should round out the army for now so I'll be able to get painting and basing. Maybe I'll even get motivated enough to join June's ToEP!
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Have a look at Magister Militum. I've got some of these and they are at least on par with pendraken and offer some variation.
https://www.magistermilitum.com/catalogsearch/result/?q=FRC104+ACOLYTES+OF+PAN (https://www.magistermilitum.com/catalogsearch/result/?q=FRC104+ACOLYTES+OF+PAN)
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I went to order some of the Beestmen with Bows from Pendraken and saw they had been rotated out of their online store. Does anyone know their intent to restock or re-release? Alternatively, I don't suppose anyone has 60 or so of those lying around, do they?
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I went to order some of the Beestmen with Bows from Pendraken and saw they had been rotated out of their online store. Does anyone know their intent to restock or re-release? Alternatively, I don't suppose anyone has 60 or so of those lying around, do they?
Just wanted to give a quick update. I reached out to Pendraken and they gave some outstanding customer service. They did say that the mold was old, but it wasn't too badly worn and they were willing to cast up an order for me. Im excited to get a hold of these to wrap my army up and start getting some paint in it.
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Just wanted to give a quick update. I've been planning on executing a dragon ogre Shaggoth and was very impressed with an image I found online of one using a Winged Nightmare as the base. Unfortunately the Photobucket purge seems to have deleted a lot of the original images of it.
It took me a while to track one down, but I got it this weekend and mashed it up with a 15 mm Minotaur from magister milistrum.
Some chopping, gluing, and a bit of green stuff later I'm pretty satisfied with it.(https://uploads.tapatalk-cdn.com/20180227/9f20dc0ec919778d8e0ac14b90867233.jpg)
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Idea is great !
Hence, i'm not completly fan of the front legs. They look too much like arms. A four leg animal should, i think, put them between each of the rear legs. And not "in the air in front of him", like arms.
Think you would have a more "animal" look by doing this. When i saw the picture at first sight, i thought it was a creature with four arms and that was all.
As for the GS work, and thhe general proportions, it's right. I think you get the point. The idea to chose aminotaure is excellent ! Position of the armes is good for a character. And the weapons are ok too for a great Dragon Ogre.
Will you give him special abilities ? Will it be a character or part of a unit ? I would see him as a character.
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Thanks Marell! Glad you like the pose for the part. I really liked the idea of a monster of his size pointing to an enemy across the field of battle and hunting them down.
When I was bringing him up from concept, I looked a lot to the actual GW model. I know standard dragon ogres are more centaur inspired mix of bad guys from fantasy, with all four legs on the ground. However, the Shaggoth looks like it was designed with the front "legs" to be conceptually closer to Trex arms, where they're smaller than the dedicated legs and arms.
As for rules, I'm waiting for the Revolution rule committee to release the beastmen list and hopefully not remove the Shaggoth now that I finally have one made up. Worst case scenario, I'll just import the stats from the current beastmen list when I use it.
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OK, i had not spotted the front legs where shorter.
I'm a big fan of centaures... So i hope your beastmen list will keep them. Would be a total shame :)
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OK, i had not spotted the front legs where shorter.
I'm a big fan of centaures... So i hope your beastmen list will keep them. Would be a total shame :)
Agreed! I went with Eureka's Deaemonaurs we're great models for the roll. I'm really hoping the new list makes them usable. As the half infantry/half calvary unit that can't be supported that they're in the current list results in a unit that I personally find really difficult to justify in a list beyond fluff and narrative reasons. I'd like to see them fill a roll similar to light calvary, but will need to wait and see!
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