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Title: Canonball!
Post by: Dave on January 19, 2018, 10:20:16 PM: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=WIE1BpW2zyw

I'm hoping to commission a light, horse-drawn cannon soon. Something that could gallop all over the field. Would people be interested? The cost of additional pieces and crew wouldn't be outside the realm of Kickstarter stretch goals too. My thoughts were:

Heavy Cannon
Mortar
Ribauldequin

Thoughts on those? Any particular order I should put them in for stretch goals? Anything else I should add?
Title: Re: Canonball!
Post by: Stormwind on January 20, 2018, 05:17:06 PM: I'm afraid I didn't join the past couple of kickstarters because I have so much in the way of equivalent Empire troops / cavalry I couldn't justify any more. In essence, I was quietly waiting and hoping you'd get to light horse drawn cannon like this.

My personal order of interest would be:

Horse-Drawn Cannon
Mortar
Ribauldequin
Heavy Cannon
Title: Re: Canonball!
Post by: forbes on January 20, 2018, 06:57:35 PM: I'm pretty much a +1 to Stormwind's post. The postage costs have also been off putting lately.

Quote from: Stormwind on January 20, 2018, 05:17:06 PM
Horse-Drawn Cannon
Mortar
Ribauldequin
Heavy Cannon

I think that would be my order of preference too. I have plenty of heavy cannon from GW Empire
Title: Re: Canonball!
Post by: Dave on January 20, 2018, 11:14:45 PM: Makes sense. I'm hoping to be able to offer a limbered and unlimbered canon in one pack, with six crew for $10. That'll depend on the weight of the canons though.

Unfortunately, I can't do much about the postage cost. USPS charges have been going up and up. The best I can offer is combining with another person to split the cost.
Title: Re: Canonball!
Post by: empireaddict on January 21, 2018, 03:02:31 PM: I'd be interested. Although my artillery park is probably already full by any objective measurement, it's always nice to add in some variety!
Title: Re: Canonball!
Post by: captPiett on January 22, 2018, 05:07:36 PM: Iâ€™d be interested in cannon. My order of preference:
Horse drawn cannon
Heavy cannon
Rebauldequin
Mortar

Mainly because the dogs of war proxies should be the priority (IMO), the second two can proxy for empire units, and as far as I know mortars are just â€œcounts asâ€ for cannon in the empire list.

A good opportunity for stretch goals, I would think. I donâ€™t remember Warmonger ever doing that.
Title: Re: Canonball!
Post by: Geep on January 31, 2018, 02:05:11 AM: I would be interested in a horse-drawn cannon, and also the ribauldequin (particularly if it happens to look a lot like a dwarf organ gun).
Title: Re: Canonball!
Post by: Big Red on January 31, 2018, 03:30:45 AM: I'm interested

Light cannons - so I can use them as a DOW unit.

Any order for further weapons - doesn't worry me.
Title: Re: Canonball!
Post by: Stormwind on January 31, 2018, 04:20:10 PM: Quote from: Geep on January 31, 2018, 02:05:11 AM
I would be interested in [...] the ribauldequin (particularly if it happens to look a lot like a dwarf organ gun).

This was 100% my thinking, too, but I wasn't sure if I should say it out loud... :-X
Title: Re: Canonball!
Post by: Dave on January 31, 2018, 07:03:42 PM: People don't have a bunch of Dwarf organ guns already? Huh, must be a New England thing. We have Dwarf organs flying every which way up here.
Title: Re: Canonball!
Post by: Hashut on February 01, 2018, 08:43:17 AM: I just made my first WM order, and am really looking forward to getting the minis (I meant to *years* ago, but better late than never, I spose?).

I'm using them to build an Empire army, so I'd like artillery that's usable for both DoW and Empire, if possible. After artillery, do you have any plans for characters?
Title: Re: Canonball!
Post by: Dave on February 01, 2018, 02:32:16 PM: I do, I'm not sure if it'll happen immediately though. I don't see people buying more than 1-2 packs of characters, which means recapping the capital expended to get them sculpted will take that much longer. My thought, at this point, is to find a unit for the next army that will sell well. Hopefully well enough to get the next unit for that army done as well as the characters.
Title: Re: Canonball!
Post by: Dave on February 01, 2018, 04:02:45 PM: I've commissioned the light, horse-drawn cannon from Bob. Pics as I get them.
Title: Re: Canonball!
Post by: Hashut on February 01, 2018, 07:13:09 PM: Quote from: Dave on February 01, 2018, 02:32:16 PM
I do, I'm not sure if it'll happen immediately though. I don't see people buying more than 1-2 packs of characters, which means recapping the capital expended to get them sculpted will take that much longer. My thought, at this point, is to find a unit for the next army that will sell well. Hopefully well enough to get the next unit for that army done as well as the characters.

Yep, I see your point about the characters. No point in losing money on a unit!

Looking forward to seeing the artillery.
Title: Re: Canonball!
Post by: andys on February 01, 2018, 09:40:00 PM: You could always use some of the command figures from the existing units to reduce the number of New sculpts required.
Title: Re: Canonball!
Post by: Dave on February 02, 2018, 11:14:52 AM: That's the plan, but I'd like a few more to make it worth it for people.
Title: Re: Canonball!
Post by: Stormwind on February 03, 2018, 12:29:04 PM: Did the organ guns ever get released? I thought they were a super rare thing that people only had a couple of in their collections.
Title: Re: Canonball!
Post by: Dave on February 04, 2018, 05:11:20 AM: Never released, they're common in New England though.
Title: Re: Canonball!
Post by: Big Red on February 14, 2018, 06:48:58 AM: Quote from: Dave on January 31, 2018, 07:03:42 PM
People don't have a bunch of Dwarf organ guns already? Huh, must be a New England thing. We have Dwarf organs flying every which way up here.

Ha! Love your work!! 😉😉😉
Title: Re: Canonball!
Post by: Dave on February 14, 2018, 04:27:03 PM: Got my first WiP shot from Bob. I've asked him to reduce the size of the wheels and the length of the limber.

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Title: Re: Canonball!
Post by: Stormwind on February 14, 2018, 09:44:27 PM: Looking sharp!
Title: Re: Canonball!
Post by: Hashut on February 15, 2018, 02:07:19 AM: Very glad Iâ€™ve got some cash set aside for these :)
Title: Re: Canonball!
Post by: Dave on February 20, 2018, 01:08:01 PM: New WiP shot. I mentioned to Bob that the crewmen look small already.

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Title: Re: Canonball!
Post by: marell le fou on February 20, 2018, 09:28:00 PM: Mmm... A little bit small, maybe... But well, they look great, anyway !

I like the aspect of the beard of the fourth from left. It gives him a very realistic look. And the general aspect of the fifth one.
Title: Re: Canonball!
Post by: Stormwind on February 21, 2018, 11:52:18 PM: Looking good so far!
Title: Re: Canonball!
Post by: Dave on February 23, 2018, 01:42:56 PM: Some more WiP shots. And a few notes.

Each pack will have two cannons, one in the limbered position (it will just fit on a 20x40mm base) and another in the firing position. You'll have three wheel options (solid, spoked, reinforced spoked) for the cannon and the carraiges, and six crew. Three of the crew I'll likely reuse in another artillery pack.

On the figure height, I believe Bob overshot the mark. I've asked for another picture but I'm really trying to get him to get them to 10mm at the eye. The boots needs some work as well, and the solid wheel needs to be made round.

Other thoughts?

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Title: Re: Canonball!
Post by: forbes on February 24, 2018, 09:36:35 PM: The cannon look rather modern looking to me. Perhaps a bit of a simpler barrel, less taper, less bands?

The crew in the more recent pictures look very good.
Title: Re: Canonball!
Post by: Stormwind on February 25, 2018, 12:28:36 PM: Oh wow! It's all looking very promising. Glad that you're offering spare wheels and stuff as I love using those for scenic bits.

Amazingly, I've never found a decent "treasure chest" at 10mm, or storage chest as you have there. Would love to have some to dot around or have as treasure pile objectives .
Title: Re: Canonball!
Post by: Stuart Bleything on February 27, 2018, 04:45:37 AM: I agree with my esteemed colleagues light artillery first , id be interested in 4 packs assuming one gun per pack .
Next unit for me would be flying guys with crossbow . Again limited numbers . Or how about Marauder infantry , but do them more in the style of your existing infantry ?
Characters would be great .
Title: Re: Canonball!
Post by: Dave on February 27, 2018, 12:49:47 PM: Nearly there. Last change is reducing the size of two of the crewman's boots. Any other thoughts before they're sent to me?

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Title: Re: Canonball!
Post by: Stormwind on March 03, 2018, 11:49:28 AM: Oh wow these are looking fab!
Title: Re: Canonball!
Post by: Dave on March 05, 2018, 04:47:30 PM: OK, boots all tidied up. I've commissioned a "greater" cannon along with two additional crew for it (loader and aimer). Once that's done they'll both be on their way to me so I can get casting prices before starting the KS.

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Title: Re: Canonball!
Post by: forbes on March 06, 2018, 07:16:58 PM: They look good - especially when all arranged around the gun.

As a bonus you can arrange the crew for pugil stick fights!
Title: Re: Canonball!
Post by: marell le fou on March 06, 2018, 10:03:52 PM: Yep, they look great.
Title: Re: Canonball!
Post by: Dave on March 14, 2018, 05:01:21 PM: WiP shots of the cannon and the two additional crew for it:

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Title: Re: Canonball!
Post by: Stormwind on March 15, 2018, 12:30:48 AM: Looking really good!
Title: Re: Canonball!
Post by: Dave on March 15, 2018, 04:38:17 PM: Getting there. I also asked for a different light cannon barrel that looks more "galloper-y".

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Title: Re: Canonball!
Post by: Dave on March 20, 2018, 06:02:25 PM: Nearly there. Any final thoughts?

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Title: Re: Canonball!
Post by: forbes on March 20, 2018, 07:58:20 PM: Like the new more gallopery barrel.

And the big gun, is suitably big!

Looking good.
Title: Re: Canonball!
Post by: marell le fou on March 20, 2018, 09:25:09 PM: Both are really really nice. I think everybody will be satisfied with this set.
Title: Re: Canonball!
Post by: Stormwind on March 21, 2018, 08:36:46 PM: These are going to fill a nice gap in peoples' DOW lists! <3
Title: Re: Canonball!
Post by: Stuart Bleything on March 28, 2018, 08:55:39 AM: Really like the models , they are great .

Could i have a choice of not solid wheels on the carriage please as these in my humble opinion look odd , and out of place . I do like spoked wheel for the cannon .

Kind regards

Stuart
Title: Re: Canonball!
Post by: Dave on March 28, 2018, 12:51:38 PM: The plan at this point is to include enough wheels of each type so you can put whatever you like on them. We'll have to see how that works out price-wise though.
Title: Re: Canonball!
Post by: Stormwind on April 03, 2018, 09:02:12 PM: Oh man, spare wheels for scenics and base details! Yes!
Title: Re: Canonball!
Post by: Dave on April 19, 2018, 06:32:19 PM: (https://farm1.staticflickr.com/859/40845640544_545f4fd160_z.jpg) (https://farm1.staticflickr.com/859/40845640544_bc62bd9965_o.jpg)

I'm finalizing the pack contents with my caster. I don't believe I'm going to be able to offer wheel options given their cost. As of right now the cannon unit will contain:

* 6 crew on foot
* 2 cannon (left), 2 carriage, 4 reinforced wheels

And the horse-mobile cannon unit will contain:

* 4 crew on foot, 2 with/on horse
* 2 cannon (top right), 2 carriage, 2 limber, 8 spoked wheels

And now a bonus light cannon unit:
* 6 crew on foot
* 2 cannon (middle right), 2 cannon (bottom right), 2 carriage, 4 reinforced wheels

That work for people? I'm still planning on having stretch goals for the mortar and organ gun, I also might do a Heckblaster.
Title: Re: Canonball!
Post by: empireaddict on April 20, 2018, 06:53:22 PM: Seems like a very reasonable offering to me. Variety and interchangability (if that's a word?!) I'll be in for some. A good organ gun option for WMM armies would be nice.
Title: Re: Canonball!
Post by: forbes on April 23, 2018, 07:34:09 PM: Sounds like a good split of packs.

I think you are getting to enough stuff for me to brave the trans atlantic shipping costs...
Title: Re: Canonball!
Post by: Dave on May 03, 2018, 07:45:55 AM: The KS is live:

https://www.kickstarter.com/projects/1765086496/10mm-german-falkonet-cannons

It will run until midnight EST on May, 13.
Title: Re: Canonball!
Post by: Geep on May 03, 2018, 11:28:09 AM: I'm interested in this, but to repeat what I said on Facebook-

Is there a way to combine the various cannon types better? ie. I'd be interested in both galloper guns and some of the regular cannons, but the current options are all varying numbers of one or the other.
Title: Re: Canonball!
Post by: Dave on May 03, 2018, 05:26:12 PM: There is, just pledge for what you want. Gallopers are 11, rest are 10. You get 5% off for 4 to 7 total units, 10% off for 8 or more. I'll sort it out in the survey.
Title: Re: Canonball!
Post by: Dave on July 13, 2018, 08:22:40 PM: Just had an e-mail exchange with Bob, it looks like he'll be able to start the mortar, organ gun and volley gun in August.