[WMR] movement spell query

[Toothpick]

I don't really have a strong opinion on whether it should be errata'd out or not.  But the ambiguity does need to be fixed one way or the other.  If you go down the route of not allowing supporters to be dragged, it should be easy enough to say 'this does not apply to units moved by spells' within the supporting charges section.

I agree with this. It would be easier to change the rule concerning supporting charges to reflect this change than to change the wording for five spells.
Does this kind of thing need to go to the rules committee, or is it not deemed important enough?

[cjbennett22]

Reading through this also reminds me of the 3 maximum orders received during a command phase.  Is that now "overpowering" to give a fourth command to a unit via a spell?

[industrialtrousers]

You blokes must have infinitely greater luck casting spells than I do to make this worth discussion.

If a spell targets a unit. It is just that unit. A unit is 3 or less stands. Nothing more.

Sounds like whoever tried this on was in a sticky spot.

[Toothpick]

Wings of the Jungle: "The spell affects only a single unit, never a brigade.  The unit can be moved just as if it had received an order in the Command phase".

Same wording for Voice of Command, Lady's Favour, Vanhel's Danse Macabre, and Hunting for Gore.

Then i propose the last paragraph of the Supporting Charges section is changed to the following.

"The supporting charge is a special kind of combined move -
the charger and the supporting unit are considered to be brigaded together
with the same order. If a unit is unable to move for whatever
reason (if it is confused for example), or if it does not have sufficient move
distance to move as described, then it cannot make a
supporting charge."

[honestmistake]

or jus add a single line to the spell ""The spell affects only a single unit, never a brigade.  The unit can be moved just as if it had received an order in the Command phase. This spell affects only the target unit and does not allow other units to be moved as part of a supporting charge.".

[Toothpick]

or jus add a single line to the spell ""The spell affects only a single unit, never a brigade.  The unit can be moved just as if it had received an order in the Command phase. This spell affects only the target unit and does not allow other units to be moved as part of a supporting charge.".

Yes, you could edit 5 different spells in 5 different army lists.😉
Or once in the main rules book.🙂

[mdivancic]

Hi,
I'm of the opinion that the spell(s) affect only the charging unit, and not any other unit in a "supporting" position.

My reasons are, (and I'm probably wrong) as has already been stated, the spell(s) in question affects a single unit. Even though the affected unit is now being moved just as if it received an order in the command phase, it is only this unit that is affected. Any other units capable of making a supporting charge are still in the shooting phase, and thus are not affected by the spell. Therefore they cannot move.

Units are separate and distinct, if a spell says its affects only one unit, then it affects only one unit.


Thanks,
Shane

My take as well.

[mdivancic]

or jus add a single line to the spell ""The spell affects only a single unit, never a brigade.  The unit can be moved just as if it had received an order in the Command phase. This spell affects only the target unit and does not allow other units to be moved as part of a supporting charge.".

Not sure it necessary, but if so this is a simple and clear change.

[empireaddict]

@mdivancic, I think there does need to be an amendment like the one suggested by honestmistake.  Currently the spell(s) wording(s) allow a 'normal charge' for a unit and, under WMR, a 'normal charge' would allow a unit to drag a supporting unit with it.

[cjbennett22]

despite it being more work, amending the spell's wording would be the better way to go.  Adding the line to all 5 spells would be easier for the games to see and remember.

[Aldhick]

thanx guys for your ideas guy. Right now it goes in favour of amending the spell wording.

[empireaddict]

@Aldhick, no problem with that approach. Just as long as it gets sorted out one way or the other.

[honestmistake]

or jus add a single line to the spell ""The spell affects only a single unit, never a brigade.  The unit can be moved just as if it had received an order in the Command phase. This spell affects only the target unit and does not allow other units to be moved as part of a supporting charge.".

Yes, you could edit 5 different spells in 5 different army lists.😉
Or once in the main rules book.🙂

Oh I would edit both for clarity.... avoids any chance that someone might argue one rule is supposed to supersede the other. I suspect that anyone who has ever had to argue over a Steam Tank always counting as defended and a Cannon always ignoring defended will always favour absolute clarity on such matters

[Toothpick]

If the majority say change the wording of the spells, then that's fine.
Happy Days!