Author Topic: Re: Chasing Mice? with a long (measuring) stick (Read 13127 times)

Getlord · « **Reply #15 on:** May 10, 2009, 08:47:18 PM »

This excercise is made now for fun only. But I cannot imagine now more than 81cm movement when Wizard is at command. Assuming there is no cheating with Wizard replacemnts by the unit being moved by him actually.

wmchaos2000 · « **Reply #16 on:** May 11, 2009, 10:18:16 AM »

Quote from: jchaos79 on May 09, 2009, 09:49:43 AM

Sorry mates,

I dont understand anything.

77,88 cm (second digital number in a warmaster movement ). Do you play so exactly?

87,8 cm with wizard command and range restriction?

Is this a kind of math riddle or do you play using that "cunning movements"? I have never play with lizardmen or skaven, so maybe is a rule that I have not read in the rulebook,

cheers

We only use mm in game, but this is a theoretical example.

87,8 cm yes.
Sometimes the cunning stunts are needed, and if it works in theory it should work on the gaming board.

Quote from: Getlord on May 10, 2009, 08:47:18 PM

This excercise is made now for fun only. But I cannot imagine now more than 81cm movement when Wizard is at command. Assuming there is no cheating with Wizard replacemnts by the unit being moved by him actually.

Hmm, you gave me an idea there. 87,9 cm it is now.
And, that is not cheating, it is in the rules, that a unit moves a character stand when they end there move on the character stand.

Can no-one see/explain this?

Lex · « **Reply #17 on:** May 11, 2009, 11:20:09 AM »

Quote from: wmchaos2000 on May 11, 2009, 10:18:16 AM

Hmm, you gave me an idea there. 87,9 cm it is now.
And, that is not cheating, it is in the rules, that a unit moves a character stand when they end there move on the character stand.

Can no-one see/explain this?

A character stand that is in the patch of a moving unit and needs to be displaced to allow the unit to position itself SHOULD be move TOWARDS the own table edge !! not "pushed" forward, bu be placed directly BEHIND the unit closer to the players own tableedge !!

wmchaos2000 · « **Reply #18 on:** May 11, 2009, 01:13:22 PM »

Quote from: Lex on May 11, 2009, 11:20:09 AM

A character stand that is in the patch of a moving unit and needs to be displaced to allow the unit to position itself SHOULD be move TOWARDS the own table edge !! not "pushed" forward, bu be placed directly BEHIND the unit closer to the players own tableedge !!

Are you sure? Is the character-stand not forced to move along the closest path possible out of the way of the unit? We play it like that. (page 60, under the dragon)

Lex · « **Reply #19 on:** May 11, 2009, 08:58:28 PM »

I know it is one of the issue that came up earlier for Errata.... I would need to check my notes and Rick's feedback on it. I know that WHATEVER option we setteled on, it was in the full understanding that it can be "abused".

wmchaos2000 · « **Reply #20 on:** May 15, 2009, 11:08:26 PM »

Alright.

Infantry unit is 19,9 cm from wizard stand and in line-formation (turned-conga-line).
The inf closest stand has its short end towards the wiz.

INFINFINF 19,9 Wiz

First order: The wiz has its short end towards inf and is moved(displaced) 1mm when the inf moves 20cm and stops on Wiz stand.

INFINFINFWiz

Second order: The Inf is moved another 20cm.

Wiz 4 INFINFINF

Third order: The Inf is moved so that the closest edge is 19,9cm from Wiz.

Wiz 19,9 INFINFINF

Fourth order: The Inf is moved another 20cm.

Wiz 19,9 + 20 INFINFINF

From the infantrys leftmost stand-edge(before movement) to its rightmost stand-edge(after movement):
Total Distance Moved: 4+4+4+20+20+15,9+20=87,9cm.
(i hope someone follows, almost lost myself here and there...)

Getlord · « **Reply #21 on:** May 18, 2009, 03:54:44 PM »

My calculation is more unusual. I measure what distance was covered by each stand point-to-point. So your distance in my logic is -12cm (the length of the unit) i.e. 75,9cm. And mine is still 77,88 w/o moving the Wizard

wmchaos2000 · « **Reply #22 on:** May 18, 2009, 10:42:59 PM »

Excellent! You win.

Please tell us!

(do you use an unusually large command stand?!)

Getlord · « **Reply #23 on:** May 27, 2009, 03:46:30 PM »

The same as you, but with "extermly cheese snaking unit":
1. "Front corner" of the Unit 20cm from Wizard: 20cm
2. Unit coming through wizard: 20cm
3. Now the most important. The distance between Wizard and Unit after 2nd move is only 2,11cm because snaking unit and wizard are positioned to have maximum legth and still full movement. So 3rd move 17,89cm
4. "Rear corner" of the Unit 20cm from Wizard: 20cm
TOTAL: 77,89cm

I prepared nice image but I don't know how to put it

wmchaos2000 · « **Reply #24 on:** May 28, 2009, 10:54:13 AM »

You Sneaky Git!!
Applause!

Will someone help out with the image-part?

Lex · « **Reply #25 on:** May 28, 2009, 02:16:39 PM »

if you make a simple box drawing with any drawing program, and save it as a JPG on own computer, you can upload it in your post here..

Carrington · « **Reply #26 on:** May 28, 2009, 02:59:55 PM »

Of course back to the original point, this is a single unit of mice, leading with their flank in the direction of march. Not necessarily an optimal deployment. \

wmchaos2000 · « **Reply #27 on:** May 28, 2009, 03:27:31 PM »

But maybe if one apply it to a whole brigade and move it from left to right (or vice versa), not from rear to front.

It is all very situational of course.

Getlord · « **Reply #28 on:** May 28, 2009, 08:49:50 PM »

Here you are...

Please note that this unit actually is in regular formation - "snaking". Sometimes Warmaster gives more possibilities than we think of.

wmchaos2000 · « **Reply #29 on:** May 28, 2009, 10:51:56 PM »

Sneaky snaking.

I like the way you think!
More sneaky thinking to the people.