A few of questions from tonight's game.

[fracas]

ok, i get it

i interpreted the engagement as 3 stands abreast length wise attacking a unit one stand wide (also length wise) with two stands deep (behind it) which would have made it 3x4 vs 3+1

[ogrimdoombringer]

I'd like to continue this thread as I'd like to find out how people are playing infantry on infantry flank charges.
Picture two typical units of infantry. 3 attacks per stand. The stands are lined up one behind the other (both units are in column).
If one charges the other square in the flank, the attacker get four attacks - their base of 3 plus one for charging in the open (I just read about supporting attacks in the thread, I'll have to look that up, I wasn't aware of that). The unit receiving the charge gets 3 stands, each with 2 attacks (normally 3, but each reduced by 1 due to enemy in flank penalty) for a total of six attacks. The 'receivers' are getting more attacks than the charger by this calculation. It seems wrong that units being hit in the flank are better off than the charger. What am I missing?

[Lex]

Extending your unit to have 3 stands fighting !

The issue is seldom that you get to attack in column unless you activly aspire to do so. You WANT (sometimes) to attack a line in colum with adjacent units to maximize followup. Against a side however you want to maximize your units attacks

[Carrington]

I'd like to continue this thread as I'd like to find out how people are playing infantry on infantry flank charges.
Picture two typical units of infantry. 3 attacks per stand. The stands are lined up one behind the other (both units are in column).
If one charges the other square in the flank, the attacker get four attacks - their base of 3 plus one for charging in the open (I just read about supporting attacks in the thread, I'll have to look that up, I wasn't aware of that). The unit receiving the charge gets 3 stands, each with 2 attacks (normally 3, but each reduced by 1 due to enemy in flank penalty) for a total of six attacks. The 'receivers' are getting more attacks than the charger by this calculation. It seems wrong that units being hit in the flank are better off than the charger. What am I missing?

Do flanked units get support for combat resolution?  I seem to recall they don't.  Not an insignificant factor.

[Lex]

remember that STANDS get support in resolution, not units ! 

A stand that is ONLY fighting to its side or rearwill NOT get support !

[ogrimdoombringer]

Lex,
Thanks for the reply. I was also puzzled by this post..

(snip)

Green attacks with two stands 2x4 +1 Support
Red attacks with 2 attacks each because of the -1 for flank

Supporting stands don't give extra attacks that you roll for. They just add to 'combat resolution' to use a term from that other game system.
If I come in with a column of three stands, I get three attacks, plus one for charging in the open. If I hit with two of them that then dont' get saved, I get result of two plus one for a supporting unengaged stand. If I don't receive any hits in return, I push the enemy back 3cm.
I'm pretty confident this is right. I didn't find any rules about supporting *attacks*.

[Lex]

If you charge in the open with infantry then each stand will have basic attacks +1, so generic (3) infantry will dish out 12 attacks

And indeed support is counted in the combat resolution! 

In essence....  each supporting stand counts as one succesfull, unsaved attack........   

[spiritusXmachina]

...but only for combat resolution! (...just in case..)

[BlackEd]

OK, I am confused about support.  Where do the rules state that stands attacked on the flank (or rear, I assume) get no support?  I remember looking this up, and I didn't find that in the LRB.

Next question:  If a stand that is flanked does not get support, why would a stand that is flanked and attacked from the front get support?

[Lex]

   because Rick said so .......

This actualy is only the frontrow stand(s) and because of the complexities of flank + front attacks seldomly happens

[captPiett]

Support is calculated after stands have been removed as casualties, correct?

[jchaos79]

Yep. In fantasy games, you remove the casualities and then count supports.

In WMA first count the supports and finally remove the casualities.

Both systems have great meanings, and changes a lot the results. I love both of them. But if you had read both rulestes is very common to puzzle your mind when you try to remember how to do it.

[BlackEd]

Where does it say that a flanked stand gets no support?

[Lex]

OTTOMH i´d say in the errata......

and the restriction is ONLY fighting to flank and/or read.

[Haranin]

/summon rules lawyer

Note that a stand touched by enemy to its front and sides or rear during the combat round can be supported, but a stand touched by enemy only to its sides or rear cannot.

p.52 of the living rule book

/rules lawyer off