GothiComp General Discussion

[canucks fan]

Talking about the base what i didnt notice that the base of the eldar has color spots on its stem that could be counted as "not finished" and thus give a small bonus to the hive ship. But in the end that i didnt notice it at all until now, tells me that the rest simply "shines too bright" to take the base into account.

Actually, its a reflection from the photography.  I couldn't figure out how it got there, so I re-took the photo.  But, I felt the intial one (as posted in the gothicomp) showed the model better.
Speaking of photos, I've got some more to show some of the other details/goodies/etc... in this one, but don't want to upload them until gothicomp is over.
Glad you liked it 

... it makes me feel horrible but at that level I had to pick something to break the tie..

No worries Zelnik.  Voting was not easy this year (actually, has it ever been easy?).  The gun decks were more of an artistic choice rather than trying to make a gaming ship.  I'm glad you were able to pick them out though, they were pretty hard to make

Cheers,
CF

[horizon]

jogamandir ; Jorgamundr ; Jogimandar ; Radomgandur ; Dumagandor ; ... => Jormugandr 

According to my wife the Jorgamundr should be disqualified as it is an alien, not a space"ship".

Have you told her there is alien in it too? So it is an alive space ship carrying little aliens and .... no, nevermind.

Ah sorry about the name.
For the rest: heh.

[Zhukov]

This is how I go about voting:

As it should be, conversions or using non-BFG models, mean nothing to me. I only care about the paint on the model.

That being said, I'm looking for a combination of skill level used, and the amount of detail put into the model. The best painters, in my opinion, can pick up almost every detail that is on the model. For example, the 1A entry "Imperial Fist Strike Cruiser" and the BB of the same paint scheme, are solidly done paint jobs. I would game against them any day. However, in a painting competition, there are too many details on the model the painter simply did not find a way to bring out. By the same comparison in the same round, 1E "Bakunin Repulsive", the painter was able to highlight every beam on the model. On top of that, he found a way to paint multiple shades of color inside the tiny spots between the beams, and still highlight the beam.

After that, I look at skill. Did the painter use any neat effects? The obvious one for this example is the Tau fleet AC. I look at that, and I have to ask myself one question: How did he do that?

I honestly don't give a lot of credence to the base job unless it's super fancy. I know some people like keeping them clear, painting them black, others with stars, and others go all out. So for me, I give a few bonus points for doing a good base job, but I never take any points away when making a decision.

My list of honorable mentions that I want to congratulate: 3E "Acheron Heavy Cruiser", CD "Fleet Neaxe", and DB "Tau Fleet". I thought these were ones that were just some unreal paint schemes to them.

-Zhukov

[horizon]

With fleet pictures the hardest thing to pull of is a good picture with good composition and keeping everything crisp. While they don't influence voting a good picture can bring forward a good paintjob.
A bad picture can obscure a bad paintjob, haha.

[Sigoroth]

@Zhukov

I disagree with you on the level of detail on the Imperial fists ships. There is a ton of detail there, including some very good shading and battle damage. I was surprised they didn't do better than they did. They were certainly my 1st choice for fleet.

As for the Jormugandr vs Eldar BB thing, I went for Jormugandr. The paint job was superb and it made the ship look very realistic. The detail on the base was fantastic and didn't detract from the model (and since it's a base you could replace it with a blank one for gaming if you really wanted). So this ship had it all, it demonstrated great technical ability, looked striking and realistic. The Eldar ship on the other hand used a blue and brown colour scheme, which is fine for providing great contrast but it's still blue and brown. I mean c'mon. Ich. Also, the painted faces showed a lot of skill, but I really didn't like them. Who wants some pictures of old men all over their ship? Now, if they'd been Dragons or Eagles or Griffons or some such, sure.

So both ships demonstrated great expertise and were quite striking, but the Eldar ship had blue/brown and some peados  painted on it. Therefore Jormugandr won for me.

[horizon]

Sig, I went ahead and edited one word. Just because I can in this forum.

[Caine-HoA]

@Sig

The imperial fists simply were too less of a fleet to me... two ships simply look strage in a fleet category and obviously the fleet entries have a harder time showing details when having more ships.

@all

In my opinion the fleet category has a part in it that the ship category doesnt have. Its the question if the color scheme looks good on the battlefleet with several models. To me most single color fleets look rather boring if you see 10 ships from relatively far ahead.

That is why the tau fleet in the final is my absolute favorite, all other final entries might be painted well but they arent especially interesting to look at. The 2nd best in this aspect is the imperial fleet in the final because it has the red "eye-catcher" fronts.

[fracas]

The imperial fist ships, as well as the blackstone were all handsome


Agree that the paint job on the void stalker was amazing detailing works
I didn't think it was realistic for a battleship in space though

[Yegr]

The harder it is to choose from the entries, the better the contest has become 

[horizon]

It has certainly urged me to improve my painting quality...

[Zhukov]

The imperial fist ships, as well as the blackstone were all handsome


Agree that the paint job on the void stalker was amazing detailing works
I didn't think it was realistic for a battleship in space though

See that's what I saw. They were really good, but they weren't great.

But did I really see the words "realistic" and "Battleship in space" in the same sentence when describing an Eldar BFG model? Oh jeez... lol

@Zhukov

I disagree with you on the level of detail on the Imperial fists ships. There is a ton of detail there, including some very good shading and battle damage. I was surprised they didn't do better than they did. They were certainly my 1st choice for fleet.

As for the Jormugandr vs Eldar BB thing, I went for Jormugandr. The paint job was superb and it made the ship look very realistic. The detail on the base was fantastic and didn't detract from the model (and since it's a base you could replace it with a blank one for gaming if you really wanted). So this ship had it all, it demonstrated great technical ability, looked striking and realistic. The Eldar ship on the other hand used a blue and brown colour scheme, which is fine for providing great contrast but it's still blue and brown. I mean c'mon. Ich. Also, the painted faces showed a lot of skill, but I really didn't like them. Who wants some pictures of old men all over their ship? Now, if they'd been Dragons or Eagles or Griffons or some such, sure.

So both ships demonstrated great expertise and were quite striking, but the Eldar ship had blue/brown and some things painted on it. Therefore Jormugandr won for me.

Honestly, the battle damage to the Fist ships was so small I didn't even see it until I zoomed in the photo to about 200%, about five minutes ago. That being said, I think those details should have been done with a darker color so they would be more noticable. It's a good idea he had though, it's just the execution was poor. And it still doesn't resolve my initial complaint of the amount of the model that received very little attention (like around the gun batteries).

As for the Jormugandr, I thought it was great. Very realistic looking and showed some good skill to blend the right colors to get that look.

The Eldar BB, was ridiculous. It has faded effects all over the model (check out the beams on the sails, for instance). The face artwork and artwork to the extra side bits was near extravagant. Not to mention, the Eldar writing. I thought this was too much to beat.

-Zhukov

[horizon]

Dunno, I think the battle damage/weathering on the Imperial Fist Barge was pretty good visible and very well executed. And if I am not mistaken the Imperial Fist logo is also free hand. Could be mistaken though.

The NovaMarines Venerable Battle Barge had waterslide transfers as can be clearly seen. Who the heck think he could get away with that.... oh... ehm... wait....  heh heh


And, oh, I'd like to hear some things about entry 2F. Not to harsh...   

[Caine-HoA]

@horizon 2f

I dont like the orange over the yellow from the color composition, doesnt fit together well and at least for me that destroys the appearance as thats the point were you look at first. The blue parts seem to be highlighted well but its a bit hard to see in the picture. Its nice that you painted small details like tips of antennas.


What did you guys think about my dark angel strike cruiser?

[afterimagedan]

I dont mind the orange over yellow. Actually, I really like that color scheme.

Even more, I have always like Novamarines scheme and would love to see more ships of that type.

[Wintermans]

And, oh, I'd like to hear some things about entry 2F. Not to harsh...   

Already done

What did you guys think about my dark angel strike cruiser?

Nice idea, good for the conversion exept one point: Sword/wing ( DA symbols ) on each side of the prow are too wide. Paint them directly on prow would be better and keep the ship line. For the paint itself, need more lightning effect on edges. Keep working like this.