GothiComp General Discussion

[horizon]

@horizon 2f

I dont like the orange over the yellow from the color composition, doesnt fit together well and at least for me that destroys the appearance as thats the point were you look at first. The blue parts seem to be highlighted well but its a bit hard to see in the picture. Its nice that you painted small details like tips of antennas.

It ain't got any orange. lol.
Awkward about the grey....it only got a blue wash at the beginning and then only grey + grey/white highlights. How did it becomeblue?
2F I mean....

[Zelnik]

I want to see how well our winner paints up the grand prize I provided... 60 bucks to buy and 60 bucks to ship out to horizon... it had better be a $120 paint job!

[horizon]

It is a marvelous prize; add the fact I need to ship to <country> it should be a 120 dollar + more paintjob.

[Lex]

I want to see how well our winner paints up the grand prize I provided... 60 bucks to buy and 60 bucks to ship out to horizon... it had better be a $120 paint job!

60 bucks to ship !!!?    DID you send a Life Sized model ......... sounds like it would almost be cheaper to BRING it over....

[horizon]

Yeah, I am keeping a living Tyranid in my basement for a couple of months now.

[Zelnik]

I had to be sure the model reached horizon in good condition.  It is also a gorgeous model and filled with life in its own way.  I cannot wait to see it painted.

[fracas]

It has to be painted and submitted to nxt year's gc

[Sigoroth]

But did I really see the words "realistic" and "Battleship in space" in the same sentence when describing an Eldar BFG model? Oh jeez... lol

Heh, well "realistic" in this case means "better at suspending disbelief".

Honestly, the battle damage to the Fist ships was so small I didn't even see it until I zoomed in the photo to about 200%, about five minutes ago. That being said, I think those details should have been done with a darker color so they would be more noticable. It's a good idea he had though, it's just the execution was poor. And it still doesn't resolve my initial complaint of the amount of the model that received very little attention (like around the gun batteries).

I must, in all honesty, disagree entirely. I think the battle damage is done very well, and if it were any more noticeable it would run the risk of being overstated. The level of detail around the batteries is fine, it's just as good as the level of detail on the rest of the model, which is great. Consider that if there wasn't the battle damage and massive level of detail the ship would simply look like a big yellow splodge due to the limited palette. In fact, this is probably where you're objection is coming from. The Imperial Fists colour scheme is just yellow. This is terrible from a modelling point of view. What you really want from a modelling point of view is good contrasting colours with depth, something the Eldar BB does very well (I just really dislike the colour combination from an aesthetic point of view, it certainly works on the tabletop).

So, from the point of view of contrast and striking visual appeal you have something; the Imperial Fists ships lack this element. There's not much to be done about it though, after all, Imperial Fists are just yellow. He did the best he could have given the limit. Of course, he could have entered another chapter with a better contrasting colour scheme and it's perfectly fine to judge the Imperial Fists entries lower due to the lack.

As for the Jormugandr, I thought it was great. Very realistic looking and showed some good skill to blend the right colors to get that look.

The Eldar BB, was ridiculous. It has faded effects all over the model (check out the beams on the sails, for instance). The face artwork and artwork to the extra side bits was near extravagant. Not to mention, the Eldar writing. I thought this was too much to beat.

Yes, the Eldar BB was really well done. In the absence of the Jormugandr entry I'd have likely set aside my own aesthetic dislike of the colour palette (after all, it does contrast very well and the brown provides a better depth than black would have and tones well with the beige) and voted it as the best. The ability to freehand those pictures is great and the whole ship is done very well (and I really like the conversion too). However, with the quality of the competition ...

[Caine-HoA]

@horizon 2f

I dont like the orange over the yellow from the color composition, doesnt fit together well and at least for me that destroys the appearance as thats the point were you look at first. The blue parts seem to be highlighted well but its a bit hard to see in the picture. Its nice that you painted small details like tips of antennas.

It ain't got any orange. lol.
Awkward about the grey....it only got a blue wash at the beginning and then only grey + grey/white highlights. How did it becomeblue?
2F I mean....

hmm funny this is how the colors look like for me, maybe its the picture in addition to my monitor settings (even though i watched it on two different monitors)

[Aerospike]

@ Sigoroth
I completely understand your reasoning and have to say that I somehow agree with it, but I find it interesting that you call those colors on the Eldar BB "brown" and "beige". Of course, that is what they are, but only if I look at them separately, if I view them as belonging together, then they become golden for me.
I would have never considered the paint-scheme of the Eldar BB to be anything else than "blue and gold".

edit: regarding the Imperial Fists:
I think the Battle Damage is very well done, BUT to me those spots of "chipped paint" look out of place on a space ship. Burn marks from explosives or scars from lances would look awesome, as would impact craters from projectiles/ordnance. But chipped paint? Why? Some spaceflight school student clumsily moving around a space dock?

[Sigoroth]

@ Sigoroth
I completely understand your reasoning and have to say that I somehow agree with it, but I find it interesting that you call those colors on the Eldar BB "brown" and "beige". Of course, that is what they are, but only if I look at them separately, if I view them as belonging together, then they become golden for me.
I would have never considered the paint-scheme of the Eldar BB to be anything else than "blue and gold".

Yeah, and this is why the brown works. If you're looking at a conceptual colour scheme, such as one for a football side for example, then blue, black and white would look far and away better than blue, brown and beige (blech!). But painting models with black and white isn't easy to pull off and usually ends up looking pretty flat and yuck. Thus the brown and beige are a better choice because they tone in and have depth of colour (you can shade and highlight both easily) and provide warmth to the model and still contrast very nicely, providing an overall much better effect. I just don't like the colour combination.

edit: regarding the Imperial Fists:
I think the Battle Damage is very well done, BUT to me those spots of "chipped paint" look out of place on a space ship. Burn marks from explosives or scars from lances would look awesome, as would impact craters from projectiles/ordnance. But chipped paint? Why? Some spaceflight school student clumsily moving around a space dock?

The Admiral obviously took his fleet on a short cut through an asteroid field at some point in the recent past.

[Vaaish]

heh. I find it oddly surprising the IF stuff has garnered this much debate. I guess I should probably pipe up now. The fists were part of a very large imperial Fist epic commission hence the color scheme was locked. This is also why the fleet consisted of only two ships; they were the only two I was commissioned to paint. I could have done a bit more work to pull up contrast and and some details like stripes or more black areas to bring them to a true competition level, but they did need to match the look and style of the rest of the force. They weren't submitted with the expectation of winning, rather just to add more variety to the gothicomp galleries.

It's my personal feeling that the scale of BFG ships is such that mild weathering and paint chipping wouldn't even be visible or cover as large an area as on the fist ships. That's why those are the only ones that I've painted with that kind of weathering.

[Zelnik]

Hey everyone. I made a wish as I donated the one ship that was supposed to start my tyranid fleet (though I could not complete it due to a lack of space).  That wish was that this Gothicomp would rock.


Considering the level of discussion, and the amazing quality of the ships this year... you have made my dream come true.

Whoever wins the fleet category... I want to see the prize next year! DO IT! THE GROG DEMANDS IT!

[horizon]

In a few hours the competition closes and I ain't around to see it happen. I'll be back online later today.

So enjoy the revelations of who won GothiComp 2011!

I can reveal that I ended up fifth place in the fleet category.

[helmsman]

Thanks for organizing the whole thing Horizon. I just can`t wait to see the reults