GothiComp 2012 - Winners!

[Jimmy Zimms]

Idea, Cybershadow, Schwager, others: shall I do an inbetween round where numbers 2 of each heat go against eachother. Two votes per user. Winner to final. 3 Days of voting.

I kinda like the idea. I will admit that there were a couple of heats that my #2 pick was better than the #1 pick in another. Seems like some sweet stuff might be getting the shaft by the luck of the draw, I mean who wants to pick between Mozart and Beethoven, right? (of course that's the chance you take when you enter but still)

[horizon]

Hi,

Andrew, yes that is possible. I tried and create a poll of infinite options (I went to 33 and still could go on). Such a setup would require multiple votes per user to be succesfull.

Jimmy, agreed on that. The nr2 in a heat could be nr2 overall as well.

[CyberShadow]

Really? I actually thought that having a larger number of votes would decrease the chances of a draw, rather than increase it.
Either way, personally I wouldn't mind an additional round of voting to resolve any draws, if it is required.

My apologies. I misunderstood.

Idea, Cybershadow, Schwager, others: shall I do an inbetween round where numbers 2 of each heat go against eachother. Two votes per user. Winner to final. 3 Days of voting.

I have no problem with this, but this is not technically second place. We could come up with an ultra complex system for finding a ranking of all submissions, but with a single prize and as a competition which is a bit of fun, there is a danger of over-complicating the voting system.

[Caine-HoA]

One or two years back i gave the feedback that i would like a tie-breaker of the 2nd placed.

I dont think its important to know who is second, third and all the places. But as a person taking part regularily im interested how in a general sense my entry would have permormed if it wasnt up against the one super dominating winner.

So i think it makes sense to give the 2nd placed a chance (as it was last year i think) if there are enough total entries to make it worthwhile.

[horizon]

Hey,

correct, last year we did this as well. Was a good voting which did show some differences.

The tiebreaker ship winner beated two heat winners and tied with three other ones.

The tiebreaker fleet winner ended fourth out of five in the final.


So for the people in 2nd place it can be encouraging to see they can go up / are on par with / against other finalists/heat winners.

[CyberShadow]

Just to clarify, do you mean 'the submission that came second in the final round of voting' (which should be obvious from the number of votes) or do you mean 'an extra round of voting consisting of the second place submission in every round one result'?

I just want to be clear what the intention is.

[AndrewChristlieb]

Hum i dont really see why the voting would have to be different if they were all lined up in one heat. Just have everyone cast their one vote for the one they like the most. The worst that could happen is you might have to do a tie breaker round. As with some of the previous comments there are some entrys that are my second choice in their heat but would be first pick in others. On the other hand i already know who i would put my vote in for in the end anyway so why not just jump right to the end and line all of them up against each other?

All that aside i agree that the best of the second place options should get another chance in the final vote, kind of a wild card idea.

[horizon]

Hey Cybershadow:

intention: from the ship category for sure, others doubtful.

From the round one heats we place the ships that ended up in 2nd place in their own heat in a tiebreaker round.
So five 2nd places against eachother. Winner of this goes to final round.

See the archive for last year tiebreaker per example.


Andrew,
one big poll. That's how most competitions run.
the heat system dates back from having few poll options. And I am a fan of heats... lolz
if more people like the big poll: sure.
multiple votes per user though!

[Caine-HoA]

@CyberShadow

We are talking about the 2nd places of the first round heats.


@AndrewChrislieb

It would be an option i could live with as well. BUT i think that a very strong entry would grab almost all votes if you can only have one vote. In that way we would have a certain winner but the votes on the rest of the field might be a little unsatisfying. Something like this could happen:

A) 50
B) 20
C) 2
D) 1
E) 2
F) 0
G) 0
 and so on


Is there a system where you could give a user e.g. 5 votes but he could give multiple votes to one entry? So i could spread my 5 votes liek this:

a) 3 (i think it should win)
c) 1 (good as well)
e)1 (good as well)

[AndrewChristlieb]

I thought finding one overall winner was the point? Of course i guess we wouldnt want anyones feelings to get hurt...?

[Caine-HoA]

I thought finding one overall winner was the point? Of course i guess we wouldnt want anyones feelings to get hurt...?

To be honest i dont think thats the point. Its the result that has to happen.

- Prices attract ppl. so more will take part. You dont have too many prices so tere is only one winner

But there are a lot of ppl entering. Some of them will know they wont win, still they hope not to be the worst or would like to get into the final at least. So all of them should have a chance of seeing there performance. Not only the obvious winner.

And the second thing it is about is to motivate ppl painting and collecting the BFG fan-work over the years.

So i think there are at least two points that are more important than finding the winner.

[horizon]

Caine,
last bit is not possible.


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Some people do not enter because of some high quality entries in previous years.

[schwager]

one big poll. That's how most competitions run.
the heat system dates back from having few poll options. And I am a fan of heats... lolz
if more people like the big poll: sure.
multiple votes per user though!

That would definitely be my preferred option (which I have been advocating since the discussion started), nice and simple, and everyone can vote for all the entries they like.

We could then always tuck on a finals round, where the top 5 (or however many) from each category go into a single vote poll to determine the overall winners. Although I don't think it's necessary, it may appeal to those that like heats and multiple rounds of voting

[horizon]

So that is 2 for that.

What do you think about Caine's arguments?

[AndrewChristlieb]

I dont think caine is really arguing against all the entrys being on one vote, just the execution of such a vote. Personally i would not have a problem with his suggestion either tho, your going to end up with the same result tho as just one vote each. To get a true feeling for where each model places voters would have to rank each entry from 1-? This would give a more accurate placing for each entry.

A top five vote off would be nice if there was only one large vote. First its pretty likely that some of the top five were ones that some voters didnot vote for originally and with the smaller field would decide to go with someone other than the number one pick. Also it would prolong the competition which might help to attract more attention.