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Moving Chargers - irregular formation or not?
« on: April 17, 2015, 11:16:48 AM »
Hi guys, I have a question about moving charging units – specifically, about placing the 2nd and 3rd stand in the scenario below:
Please note that we’re following the Rick Prisley’s Trial Rules for moving chargers.
Yellow is a monster (let’s say a bone giant). Blue and Green are infantry units (let’s say skeletons). Red is a cavalry unit (Let’s say knights) which charges the yellow monster.
First charging stand is placed center-to-center with the yellow monster. That is clear.
But how to place the remaining stands?
Rules say that charging units always form a battle line if they can. Does “battle line” mean that they have to be in a strict line or can they be “staggered forward”?
Apart from the “forming a battle line” the rules also say that you have to maximize frontage AND that if there are units adjacent to the target unit then the obligation is extended to these units too.
Rules also say that if a target is in irregular formation, the attacking unit needs to form a “forward staggered battle line). So if the three units (blue, yellow and green) are positioned with the yellow monster a bit ahead (as below), is it considered a kind of irregular formation?

If a strict battle line needs to be applied, the charging stands would need to be positioned as in figure 2.
If maximizing the frontage needs to be applied (and the formation is considered kind of irregular formation), the charging stands would need to be positioned as in figure 3.
What do you think should apply?



I assume that with a grey infantry unit instead of the red cavalry, the same should apply. But what would it be?



At first, I thought that it would be figure 2, but now I’m inclined to figure 3 now.’m inclined to figure 3 now.
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Re: Moving Chargers - irregular formation or not?
« Reply #1 on: April 17, 2015, 12:59:23 PM »
If the opponent gives you a Sore Thumb then by all means byte it off !

The correct placement is on stand in frontal/centered contact and the others adjacent to that one (either to the side or the rear.

It would be an other issue should you make contact with the "thumb" and (even c2c) with other units. In that case you would need to maximise contact

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Re: Moving Chargers - irregular formation or not?
« Reply #2 on: April 17, 2015, 01:09:48 PM »
In some cases, such as attacking a bone giant with POWERFUL Bretonnian infantry, I might prefer to get to the skeletons so I can deal more hits and actually win the combat.  :)
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Re: Moving Chargers - irregular formation or not?
« Reply #3 on: April 17, 2015, 01:18:37 PM »
Yep, #2 if the cav is charging (assuming the second and third stands have the move to get there). For infantry, #2 as well, although you could put one stand behind the middle one if you want.

If the cav was ordered in I would have charged the blue skeletons, you likely could have done it without contacting the giant. If you beat them in one round you could have then advanced into the bone giant's flank. If it was an initiative charge though you did it correctly.

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Re: Moving Chargers - irregular formation or not?
« Reply #4 on: April 17, 2015, 01:53:49 PM »
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For infantry, #2 as well, although you could put one stand behind the middle one if you want.
The first rule mentioned says that you have to form a battle line (if all the stands can fit in). So I don't think you could just put one stand behind the first one. However, stands not in contact with enemy provide support even if they are next to the fighting one (no need to be behind.) So there's no need to put the stand there. To me, it sounds better to put another unit behind the first one, to provide 1 extra supporting stand.

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Re: Moving Chargers - irregular formation or not?
« Reply #5 on: April 17, 2015, 03:28:08 PM »
You're right, missed that part:

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Where possible, remaining stands must be placed so that their front edge is flush with the front edge of the closest charging stand forming a straight line.

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Re: Moving Chargers - irregular formation or not?
« Reply #6 on: April 17, 2015, 04:41:44 PM »
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Where possible, remaining stands must be placed so that their front edge is flush with the front edge of the closest charging stand forming a straight line.

That part is from the original rules, right?
We play this "Moving chargers" per the Trial Rules by Rick Prisley. But there's a similar part. But it doesn't specifically say the "...so that their front edge is flush with the front edge of the closest charging stand forming a straight line." part.
That's why I wasn't sure in the first place.
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Re: Moving Chargers - irregular formation or not?
« Reply #7 on: April 17, 2015, 05:11:55 PM »
That's from the last PDF that was updated by GW.