Pursuit v. Advance in multiple combat after unit is not completely removed

[raia]

Hi experts,
we met this situation in last game - green cavalry unit cannot pursuit opponent's last stand. Can the cavalry unit make Advance?

Thank you for advice

[Dave]

Nope:

A unit that cannot pursue an enemy because it cannot reestablish contact is not allowed to advance instead. A unit
can only advance if all the enemy units it is fighting are
destroyed. See Advance p49.

Note that pursuers are under no obligation to maximize frontage, so you can make room for  green to pursue.

[raia]

Note that pursuers are under no obligation to maximize frontage, so you can make room for  green to pursue.

But pursuers must move straight ahead, or not?

[Dave]

Nope. If you choose to pursue and can move straight ahead you must, but you can move around things if straight ahead is blocked.

[raia]

Nope. If you choose to pursue and can move straight ahead you must, but you can move around things if straight ahead is blocked.

So it means that in this example green cavalry cannot pursue because:

"corner-to-corner contact will
not suffice to maintain pursuit, at least one pursuing
stand must be able to bring its front edge into contact
with an enemy edge. Where a unit cannot re-establish
contact with a retreating enemy unit it cannot pursue.
A unit that cannot pursue an enemy because it cannot reestablish
contact is not allowed to advance instead."

[Dave]

If there were atleas 5cm between red and blue you could move grren first, placing it's right stand on the closest part of the retreating stand (where it touches yellow). The other stands could then move into yellow. You need the 5 so the first stand of green can fit and rotate.

Blue could then pursue one stand to the right of green and around the flank.

With only 3cm though I'd say only blue can pursue.

[raia]

... you could move grren first....

Yes. I see it now. Thank you.

So sequence/summary is:
1. "The player making the pursuit can move the units in whichever order he wishes"
2. pursuing stands must move against the same units they faced (touched) in the combat round
3a). begin with stands that can re-establish edge to edge contact with retreating units by moving directly forward, other stands from the same unit are also moved into edge (to edge) contact with same retreating unit (if possible) as in "directly forward"
3b). "no stands can pursue by moving directly forward" - take stand that is closest to the retreating unit and move it center to center against the of closest accessible edge of the closest enemy stand.
4. stands unable to move into front edge to (whatever) edge contact can be placed in front corner-to-corner contact if circumstances permit
5. unit is not permitted to pursue if it can only maintain contact by corner-to-corner contact
6. it is possible for stands to come into contact with unengaged enemy units
7. A unit that cannot pursue an enemy because it cannot reestablish contact is not allowed to advance instead. A unit can only advance if all the enemy units it is fighting (was touched) are destroyed.

[raia]

3b). "no stands can pursue by moving directly forward" - take stand that is closest to the retreating unit and move it center to center against the of closest accessible edge of the closest enemy stand.

This means that your

...placing it's right stand on the closest part of the retreating stand (where it touches yellow). ...

is not right. Not closest, but center-to-center.
So the final situation after first pursuing green cavalry (if there were 5cm) should be same as if blue cavalry move directly forward...
Is it correct ?

[Dave]

Yes, I did not see pursuers have to go center-to-center if they are not moving directly forward.

[Grimnir]

Actually, you could have gotten both units into pursuit. had you moved the Green unit first.

3b). "no stands can pursue by moving directly forward" - take stand that is closest to the retreating unit and move it center to center against the of closest accessible edge of the closest enemy stand.

Closest accessible edge for the Green unit would be the flank of the remaning stand. To the front of the retreating unit, there are only 3cm. So a cavalry stand could not fit in to the front. You even could bring the light-blue unit into combat (even if there were 4 cm, the gap rule wouldn't let you get all the way there.).
Then, one stand of the blue unit could then pursue directly forward and you could get the pink unit into combat (not mandatory).

[raia]

So here it is after corrections. Is it OK?

[Lex]

As there is no obligation to extend frontage on a pursuitmove, you have the OPTION to draw in additional units. So in effect you could focus all attacks on the green-infantry and position remaining, non-fighting stands to allow you to optimize your ADVANCE

[raia]

As there is no obligation to extend frontage on a pursuitmove, you have the OPTION to draw in additional units. So in effect you could focus all attacks on the green-infantry and position remaining, non-fighting stands to allow you to optimize your ADVANCE

Yes, of course.

Thank you for the note.

[cjbennett22]

Lex, are you saying the blue cavalry pursues first and instead of center to center, moves a bit to the right so the green cavalry can fit in one stand?

While being flanked it would then allow to bring in the other infantry unit that you can later pursue

[Grimnir]

Lex, are you saying the blue cavalry pursues first and instead of center to center, moves a bit to the right so the green cavalry can fit in one stand?

While being flanked it would then allow to bring in the other infantry unit that you can later pursue

No, if any stands of the pursuing unit can re-establish contact by moving directly forward, they have to do so.
I think what Lex meant was that if Green pursues first and one stand of the blue unit goes second, the other two stands do not have to get into contact with Red, but they can form in a way so that they can see Red and advance after Light-Green is destroyed.

I am not sure if you were referring to that or something else. Could you use the "Quote" button?
Thanks!