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Offline Lex

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Re: forum suggestions
« Reply #15 on: April 30, 2009, 10:24:19 AM »
I know Cybershadow, as Admin, is checking the forums too, so that would be up to him.

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Re: forum suggestions
« Reply #16 on: May 03, 2009, 07:28:16 PM »
No progress? ???

How about a house rules forums? Or is that what the experimental rules forums are for?

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Re: forum suggestions
« Reply #17 on: May 03, 2009, 07:38:33 PM »
Hi. Sorry, but I am not sure what you mean by 'no progress'.

Thanks for the offer of help. Right now, the mechanics of putting the articles online is fairly easy, and it is just a matter of setting some aside to do this. I will look back at this shortly and get a few more articles made available.

Lex will be able to give a more definitive answer to the question of house rules, but my understanding is that 'pure house rules' should go in the various 'discussion' boards (leaving the 'rules questions' for comments about the current rules, and the 'experimental rules' board for discussion of the next set of proposed community modifications to the core and additional rules).

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Re: forum suggestions
« Reply #18 on: May 03, 2009, 09:39:50 PM »
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Thank you for replying Cyber Shadow. By 'no progress' I mean forum things suggested here like collapsing forums but also site and information. This site could be the best for filling in what the GW site stopped doing like where are the player aids? Each game can be given a section on the site like the old SG site with a small introduction and links to the new player aids and fanatic resources which you can have listed in each game forum for easy updates. We need information on what's happening with the games because we haven't been told anything like the GW site has stopped hosting some rules so we need a list of whats official. Pit slaves arent on the GW website so are they not official anymore? Are the FAQs here not official anymore? I know we wont be told about inside GW news on the games but whats planned here?

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Re: forum suggestions
« Reply #19 on: May 03, 2009, 11:11:33 PM »
I see. Sorry. OK. I have been looking through the various forum upgrade threads. The collapsing boards is an issue with the specific skin that we have used here. Collapsable boards is a standard feature of this forum, but the current skin doesnt feature it. So I am chatting to the skin creator and others in the know for a quick fix on this. There are a couple of other things such as making the 'black on red' text more readable and so on, and these will be dealt with shortly.

Future plans of the site and boards specifically is something that will need consideration. When Lex and I initially chatted about this idea, we agreed that we just needed the forums up to serve as a rallying point for SG players. Once this was done (is almost completed now) then we could look at expansion ideas and so on. Personally, I would be very happy to have each game have a 'resources section', and other ideas have been thrown around, which I wont go into just yet.

As for the 'behind the scenes' stuff, then we dont actually have any further information. My philosophy is that there are two ways of looking at this. You could say that the original material was removed, the games abandoned and cut down to only their essential minimal parts. Or, you could say that GW really doesnt gain much by allowing us to get together here, and certainly dont need to be so accomodating and supportive to what we want with their games.

Currently, I have been given permission to make the old Fanatic Online material available again. This was the specific request made by me, and was agreed by SG at the time. Nothing beyond this material was covered by this. I am not saying that we cant make more material available, but that I am unwilling to 'push' the developing relationship between this site and GW/SG by going beyond this agreement without express permission.

Finally, as with the question of 'official status' this is still something that (I think) the community should look at. Take your favourite game, and discuss it here. SG games have a mold-breaking history (within GW) of being largely in the hands of the community of players. Sure, having the material available is a first step, but the guys here for the games are really the best people to discuss 'official rules' with and set out a list if available.

As for what is planned here.... What would you like to see? At this stage, some ideas and suggestions may be a good idea. What would you like from a site like this? And, critically, do we have volunteers to get involved and organised. The people behind this place are not GW. But, if something was agreed and declared official, I would guess that the default view would be that this status would remain.

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Re: forum suggestions
« Reply #20 on: May 04, 2009, 01:27:32 PM »
Thank you for your very explaining reply Cyber Shadow! Sorry I thought this site was more officially supported by GW. I'm glad things are being planned and worked on.

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Re: forum suggestions
« Reply #21 on: May 04, 2009, 03:47:03 PM »
... And, critically, do we have volunteers to get involved and organised...

Count me in.

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Re: forum suggestions
« Reply #22 on: May 04, 2009, 04:41:00 PM »
 ??? hmm...i guess i thought of this site as "official" for  history we had here  ( is that gone now?)  of semi actual involvement of the guys from across the pond  that were actually part of the GW staff (Andy Hall) is that no longer the case? i mean i see him as part of the member files, but does he not get involved like he used to?  does anyone from GW? i mean they used to post a monthly (somewhat)  little news letter on the home page, has the lack of support for SG  even ground that to a halt too?

Personally, i think that is one of the short commings that GW needs to some how wake up to :  they fail to realize that they  have an interest  that could generate income for them if they would just take advantage of it, and this forum could be a really great way to be used as market research on what  dirrection they could take thier  future production...but in my oppion both of these are very much under utulized and not taken to thier fullest potential.

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Re: forum suggestions
« Reply #23 on: May 04, 2009, 07:11:56 PM »
??? hmm...i guess i thought of this site as "official" for  history we had here  ( is that gone now?)  of semi actual involvement of the guys from across the pond  that were actually part of the GW staff (Andy Hall) is that no longer the case? i mean i see him as part of the member files, but does he not get involved like he used to?  does anyone from GW? i mean they used to post a monthly (somewhat)  little news letter on the home page, has the lack of support for SG  even ground that to a halt too?
You got it. It did. They don't have time for that now. And if they had, they probably were not allowed to.
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Personally, i think that is one of the short commings that GW needs to some how wake up to :  they fail to realize that they  have an interest  that could generate income for them if they would just take advantage of it, and this forum could be a really great way to be used as market research on what  dirrection they could take thier  future production...but in my oppion both of these are very much under utulized and not taken to thier fullest potential.
GW's opinion is that it would not help them and cut sales from main systems.

I don't want to start to rant, I'm just surprised what you expected the reasons were. If GW thought they would benefit from supporting SG games, they would do so in no time.
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Re: forum suggestions
« Reply #24 on: May 05, 2009, 11:32:41 AM »
Newsflash: GW hates SG!

Not a shock was it. ;D

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Re: forum suggestions
« Reply #25 on: May 05, 2009, 11:55:08 AM »
I'm not sure it's quite as simple as 'GW hates Specialist Games'. GW have been losing revenue since 2005 and traded at a loss in 2007. They've managed to get back on track but only due to heavy cost cutting, big campaigns (Apoc, WotR) and price hikes across the range (they've just released a box of 10 plastic Empire Greatswords for £25). Compare last years pre-tax profit of £1.1m to a £19.6m pre-tax profit in 2004 and you can see GW are somewhat under the cosh at the moment.

GW knows Specialist Games are a gateway drug for new players (hence the rerelease of Space Hulk) but expanding SG is last on their to-do list and is still a potential risk that they can't really justify to their shareholders. I'm sure once GW is back on a more financially stable footing we'll see some glimmers of hope (I've heard rumblings that in the not too distant future you'll be able to buy SG minis individually again, starting with Blood Bowl), but right now GW is contending with an economic storm so we just need to batten down the hatches until the blue skies appear. I'm sure we can keep ourselves busy with all the fan created content until then (which this shiney new website can aid with ;)).

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Re: forum suggestions
« Reply #26 on: May 05, 2009, 12:45:16 PM »
Concerning the last couple of posts.....  WRONG THREAD !!

and although we ar eno longer running in a GW sponsored environment, we still hope to we can get some "official presence" on board (in Adition to Andy Hall who already is part of Moderating Staff !), so please no discussions of GW (business) policy, there is plenty of other places to do that !!

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Re: forum suggestions
« Reply #27 on: May 05, 2009, 01:23:49 PM »
Okay, okay... back to forum suggestions.

Since there's no chance of the official rules being updated for the foreseeable future, which means solving problems with house rules will become more important, perhaps the Experimental Rules forum could be broadened out into a forum to place fully formed house rule articles for feedback (i.e. substantial articles such as new gangs rather than small house rules)? It would make it easier for new players to expand their games rather than them having to search through the general discussion. Similarly the Rules Questions forum could be nested inside an Official Rules Debate forum so again new players can immediately see and solve any immediate problems with the official rules.

*disclaimer: I haven't given the above ideas more than 5 minutes of thought and are specifically in regard to Necromunda (I don't know what's going on in the other forums).

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Re: forum suggestions
« Reply #28 on: May 05, 2009, 01:51:22 PM »
Okay, okay... back to forum suggestions.

Since there's no chance of the official rules being updated for the foreseeable future, which means solving problems with house rules will become more important, perhaps the Experimental Rules forum could be broadened out into a forum to place fully formed house rule articles for feedback (i.e. substantial articles such as new gangs rather than small house rules)? It would make it easier for new players to expand their games rather than them having to search through the general discussion. Similarly the Rules Questions forum could be nested inside an Official Rules Debate forum so again new players can immediately see and solve any immediate problems with the official rules.

*disclaimer: I haven't given the above ideas more than 5 minutes of thought and are specifically in regard to Necromunda (I don't know what's going on in the other forums).

Up to the specific Forum moderators, but as you should be able to see there is a publications forum already in place........

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Re: forum suggestions
« Reply #29 on: May 05, 2009, 04:42:09 PM »
Concerning the last couple of posts.....  WRONG THREAD !!

hey no need to shout....
Please do consider that forums threads, like real life conversations, sometimes do drift off topic as varrious points are brought up and the conversation itself evoles. If the topic itself is strong enough and people do feel strongly about it, the conversation/ thread will eventually work its way back to the orginal topic of interest.

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and although we ar eno longer running in a GW sponsored environment, we still hope to we can get some "official presence" on board (in Adition to Andy Hall who already is part of Moderating Staff !)

personally, i  hope for more chance of involevement by  them, becuase frankly there are quite a number of forums out there to discuss SG, it is the membership of actual GW staff is why i belong to this one and take a more active roll here

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, so please no discussions of GW (business) policy, there is plenty of other places to do that !!

Respectfully sir,  i would like to bring up a point, there is a differnce to just sit in a forum and say "GW sucks" or "GW products cost too much". However,  sometimes things about bizz policy needs to be brought up to explain a point. Also,  since the policy can spill over to affect the hobby/ game aspects sometimes again it needs to be brought up. Granted i dont want to sit here and read post after post of "GW bites"  but i honestly also think that just sitting around burrying our heads in the sand and ego stroking GW  dont accomplish anything, sometimes people need to be told whats wrong or how things could be better for things to get fixed.


Also, last i checked i didnt see any place on this forum for a "complants against GW" section (maybe we need one)