Some pics

[cjbennett22]

your talking about the -1 for zombies right? you had me thinking I was wrong, and with my limited time with MOW I thought I was and had to look it up.

I think I would go with the +1 plus -1 just like the spawns....the rules state, "bonus modifier"  so the bonus would be the -1 when leading, a bonus to the +1 for each crew.

so roll a 4
add up 2 crew (+2)
add up cannons to repel the boarding action (+1)
add up spell effects (lets say none)
add up special modifiers, (-1, led by zombies)
so 6 total when defending in a boarding action.

lets say you still lost that one, you would have the zombie killed so....
roll a 4 on the next round
add up 1 crew (+1)
add up cans (still +1)
add up spells and bonus' (+0, no more zombies in the lead)
so a total of 6.

That's just my opinion, I could be wrong.  but I'm basing it off of "Bonus", bonus to what?

[Dreadaxe]

cjbennett22, I can say you are right.

[Aldhick]

lets say you still lost that one, you would have the zombie killed so....
roll a 4 on the next round
add up 1 crew (+1)
add up cans (still +1)
add up spells and bonus' (+0, no more zombies in the lead)
so a total of 6.

you can add the cannon bonus only in first round of boarding and regarding the undead crew point, your crews will be mostly zombies, so the -1 is still there...  But the principle is right.


Just an example how the Undead crew works:
 If you take the Liche (best Undead wizard costing 300pts!!), you have 15 crew points per 500 points.
So you have 30 crew points in a 1000 point game. Zombie crew is 1poit and -1 in boarding, Skeleton cres is 2 crew points and no bonus in boarding, Wight is 3 crew point and +1 to boarding action.
So the list would be:
  Liche 300
  Floating necropois 250  (8 crew slots)
  Ghost ship 150 (5 crew slots)
  Death ship sq 150 (total 9 crew slots)
  Death ship sq 150 (total 9 crew slots)

 that is 8 ships with 31 crew slots. So even vith 300 pts wizard and only 8 ships, you are not able to fully men your ships and all the crew would be zombies with -1 for boarding.
 If you take Tombk king as admiral instead of Liche, you would have more points on ships, but only 20 crew points! I really don't know what were the "designers" thinking....

[cjbennett22]

those are maximum numbers so if you stick to the average.....
floating Nec, 5 crew
Ghost ship, 3 crew
Death ship, 12 crew total

20 crew grand total well in comparison to other fleets, BUT, 2 points for a skeleton counter is a bit steep as you could only have 15 skeletons so then (30 points max.).....

floating Nec, 2 skeletons, 3 zombies (replace zombies with a wight?)
Ghost ship, 2 skeletons, 1 zombie (just 1 wight)
Death ships, 6 skeletons, 6 zombies. (1 wight each only?)

That still seems to be really weak and I notice there is no wights    (went back down the list and added them)

I don't have my rules so maybe the ships are more effective than the average in other fleets, maybe the magic is really good?  I do really like to just stay back and let magic go for a bit and stack my hand THEN unleash the fleet.  I don't see anything unfair with the crew but I can really notice the additional complexity of it, trying to man you ships before taking to the table.  This fleet could benefit from a nice spreadsheet to help fill out crew that's for sure.

[cjbennett22]

Also, where can I find the rule that states the cannon bonus being only in the first round of a boarding action.  it makes sense but is never mentioned in the rulebook that I can find.  Thank you.

[Aldhick]

Also, where can I find the rule that states the cannon bonus being only in the first round of a boarding action.  it makes sense but is never mentioned in the rulebook that I can find.  Thank you.

you are right, you can... my mistake

[cjbennett22]

I just skimmed through the rules, the +d6 bonus to a boarding action would make up for any lack of crew but man, so few ships in a 1000 point fleet.  I don't know how you could do a fleet at 500 points.  What did GW expect it's players to do for models in the first place anyhow?  Damned fools

The necromantic specific spells would certainly help with the enemies ships and crew though, ouch!

I never looked into the undead, but now, I want to play as an undead fleet or at least against one, they seem fun.

Aldhick, I thought you showed me something I had been doing wrong all this time, I was really worried about the grapeshot rule.  I never played this game until a couple years ago this coming January and I have tried really hard to learn everything I can but still have yet to play a game against anyone that knows it.

[Aldhick]

The thing is, that you can use +D6 only when taking Tomb King who cannot use magic. So no such bonus and undead spells in the same fleet.... unfortunately...

And what I really don't get is 250 points for Skullhammers... compared to Wargalleys which are 150, they have +1 crew (which does not necessarily mean you are able to fill the slots, and if so, it will be very likely zombies), better save on some places, but they cannot shoot and have no oars... with movement of 6" their chances to ram are pretty limited if you play against experienced player and even if you succesfully ram, it's still negatet by save on 4+ so.... ok, there's the lightnig stuff, but still, the chace to use it 1:1 even when you manage to ram...
250 points for such uncertanity (in context with the point costs of undead wizards and other ships) it seems like "no way" option to me..

[cjbennett22]

A good rule for the skull rammers, having no oars, would be to treat them just like the high elf dragon ship with the dragon blades.  The ships can ram really easily through a ship and in my opinion be worth the 250 for a squadron of three.

[Aldhick]

My three fleets finally done

[cjbennett22]

very nice fleets!  very nice miss markers too!

I hope the undead fleet gets plenty of gameplay and fares well.

I wish I was close enough for a game that's for sure.

[Stormwind]

Gorgeous!

[Aldhick]

Thanx guys.
 Unfortunately the distance can hardly greater CJ :-) Maybe if you were on New Zaeland :-)