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Warmaster => [WM] Warmaster Fantasy Discussion => Topic started by: Lex on February 25, 2012, 10:08:56 PM
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I was going for a bid on some of these, but they are going beyond what they are worth ....
http://www.ebay.co.uk/sch/karawan99/m.html?item=251000305985&_trksid=p4340.l2562
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In the last two years price of oop warmaster is getting a bubble of prices
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Still got some unpainted dragon princes in the store.
I really should get back to painting :(
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Yeah I leapt on those when they first appeared but... Damn - the price of the HE quickly escaped me. =-<
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There's a whole raft of oop warmaster appeared in the last few days, Kislev army and some individual packs, swordmasters, dragon princes, spider riders, FG infantry.
Karawan from Poland has been steadily drip releasing rare units onto e bay for over a year now, I wonder where he's getting his supply from!? I managed to get my final required unit of Forest Goblin infantry from him a while back.
The only oop units I'm after now are 1 Dragon Princes and any number of Elite Empire Halberdiers. I'm glad I managed to get everything else a few years back before the prices went, well.... mental!
Dave
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Yeah I had my eye on that Kislev army but it rocketed over £340 and I realised it wasn't in my league. x-D
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Beware with this Karawan. He has been selling LOADS of oop things those last years.
Each time in perfect metal condition. Every time the same units. he waits for approx one month each time between his sells.
I bought one unit just to check how they are (spider riders). They are in good condition and the metal looks the same than the GW one. But i have noted some few imperfections to be able to compare to the next units he would be selling.
My opinion is done...
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My old boss at GW used to give me and some fellow mould makers figures to check if they were forgeries.
Some were obvious, some were very good. With one them the only way we could tell is because they had double mould lines.
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Beware with this Karawan. He has been selling LOADS of oop things those last years.
Each time in perfect metal condition. Every time the same units. he waits for approx one month each time between his sells.
I bought one unit just to check how they are (spider riders). They are in good condition and the metal looks the same than the GW one. But i have noted some few imperfections to be able to compare to the next units he would be selling.
My opinion is done...
Yes - I've been religiously checking worldwide ebay auctions of warmaster every day for the past 2 months. And I have noticed the exact same thing. Initially I thought it was because they didn't sell - but that doesn't seem to be the case.
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We have several active Polish members, so either they know him or know of him.......
He may just have had enough smarts to realize that these would become a moneymaker.......
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Realy, there are evidences.
When you check the past feedbacks, you see a long serie of Gobelin Mortar/Spider riders/Forest gobelins and High Elves Swordmasters and Dragon Princes...
Always those same figs. From month. Always once per month, not to drag too many attention.
They are always unpainted, out of blisters.
David Wasilevsky could maybe tell us if he sees a common mark or something ? I saw yesterday he bought several units from him few month ago.
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Hello, to all the good folks here on the forums. I am also interested in this previous round of auctions from the aforementioned seller. I am actually very interested because I purchased some of the models he was selling. I am curiously waiting to see if they are reproductions as well or rather just some old models that never got around to being finished. I will be sure to share my experience with this seller as soon as I get a hold of the models.
In response to the growing bubble on E-bay Warmaster you must take into account that stockpiles of this stuff is running its course and new in the blister stuff for OOP models is not seen very often. On the contrary to this, there is currently some NIB Kislev stuff up right now.
~Chris
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Would you be the seller we where discussing about, Christopher ?
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Not me no, I would not be selling these for any price. 8) I did purchase both of his "big ticket" items though.
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I have 4 units each of swordmasters and phoenix guard and 3 units of dragon princes (looking for one more). They are all from different sources but at least one of each of the above types are from Karawan.
I've just had a good look at them to compare them and I can't see any excess flash, mould lines or markings that would indicate any of them are different from each other? If they are re-moulds, they're very good ones!
You're right Marrell - the pattern of selling is suspicious but it is possible he managed to get half a dozen units of each from people in Poland who perhaps don't know the true value?
And to be very clear, despite my surname, I'm English and live in the UK and have no links to Karawan at all, apart from buying the odd blister from him in the past.
Dave
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Hi,
we will try to check this guy, but at first I cannot say anything about him. Never heard about.
I will need some time, but knowing Polish creativity I would suspect even using original moulds :-)
Regards,
Get
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I've just had a good look at them to compare them and I can't see any excess flash, mould lines or markings that would indicate any of them are different from each other? If they are re-moulds, they're very good ones!
It is very easy to avoid the double mould lines. All you have to do is make sure you clean the mould lines off the ones you bought originally. Excess flash or webbing is usually caused by the mould being cast too frequently, you get black burn marks at the edge of the figure on the mould. Again very easily avoided if you simply keep one set as your "masters". Infact knowing how bad those old manky moulds are in GW strongroom, you're more likely to get excess flash from GW :)
The main difference you'll find is a slight shrinkage. For rubber moulds there's a slight shrinkage for every generation of figures (you don't get the same with the new plastics/resin they now use) This is increased if they put too much pressure on the mould when it's in the mould box (they'll look flatter than the originals)
If they know what they're doing it's almost impossible to tell if they are original or not. I could easily do it if i bought myself a casting machine and a press, but i never would.
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Why is this guy's activity suspicious?
He sells models on eBay every month WTF!!!
There is a guy lives near me who regularly (every month) puts up 10x units of vampire counts stuff (different variants) plus rare daemon princes, he must have sold over 100 units of zombies and 100 units of ghouls as well as around 20 of each OOP daemon prince, yet no one questions his integrity.
Either the guy from Poland is creating copies of a LONG OOP product that there is an obvious market demand for and GW should re-release to destroy this bubble or a hoarder (of which we have a few who have already commented on this thread), if people are really stupid/desperate/keen enough to pay over 12 time the current market value of a blister of 10mm models then good luck to the guy.
You never know he may be persuaded to do other OOP stuff.
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I am with azrael. bravo
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Man I wonder if GW even have the OOP molds somewhere gathering dust? I wonder if enough of us signed a petition if they'd be willing to reissue dragon princes or something?
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Man I wonder if GW even have the OOP molds somewhere gathering dust?
Yes
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I wonder if enough of us signed a petition if they'd be willing to reissue dragon princes or something?
Ah, I remember thinking (and trying this), don't waste your time, there is no sign of return, but if you watch and wait long enough you will manage to the alt stuff (and at reasonable prices).
Took me about 5 years :)
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Why is this guy's activity suspicious?
He sells models on eBay every month WTF!!!
I thought the problem was that he was lying in the auction description, wasn't he?
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It's just a guess. Also unproven. The main problem - is that if this is a copy, it should be noted that this is a copy.
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I am not overly concerned about getting fakes but if they are re cast I wont cry bloody murder so long as they are on par with what GW was selling. However I will let everyone know if they come to me in rough shape. Obviously we do not know that he is recasting nor do I suspect it to be the case.
~Chris
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It's just a guess. Also unproven. The main problem - is that if this is a copy, it should be noted that this is a copy.
Bel, you are fully right. I noticed nearly immediatelly that I wrote in my post something different than I wanted to, but it was too late to modify ;).
Let me then be more precise. As far as I understood there is a suspection that recasts are being sold without any notification about their origin or any sign that they are not original figures. Right?
To clarify that I would need more help. Could you provide me the city from where the figures were sent to some of you?
To teel you the truth I strongly support the position that selling home made figures should be marked somehow. On the other hand this auctions would be blocked immediatelly I assume...
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For my part, i support the idea to produce recast of OOP figs, to give players the ability to use them.
But as we already said, they need a mark and a clarification in the title.
I don't want to ruin the reputation of this seller if there is a doubt. I will simply ask him and give him the adress of this forum and he will be able to explicate if he wants to.
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Well to weigh in on this, I have been monitoring this situation for a while now and quite frankly it strains credulity to beyond breaking that someone can month after month come up with the same four sets of rare oop miniatures in the exact same condition, if the condition varied such as primed, or painted, or stripped, or occasionally MiB! I might be inclined to give the seller the benefit of the doubt, but it never varies from out of package bare metal mint which is a strong indicator of a recaster.
I suspect this seller is a redux of a previous Polish seller who did very similar things, but that is only a suspicion. To my mind there is less than a one percent chance this guy is not either a recaster or the sock-puppet account for a recaster.
Just to be clear, I have absolutely nothing against recasting, but I do have something against selling recasts as the genuine article for exorbitant prices. I am not saying he should sell them for regular retail or label them as recasts as all that would accomplish is having gouge's legal lackey's involved. These items should be buy it nows at a reasonable profit, however the market is what it is and as a result I tend to only pay top dollar for MiB stuff so I know I got what I bargained for.
Just my opinion, YMMV
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I do not mind if somebody starts reproducing figures as long as it is clearly stated in the listing. Having said that I am looking for the SoC pack and would pay good money for it even if it was a good quality recast.
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The way the prices are - I think it'd be cheaper for me to buy a bunch of command boxes and use the Swordmasters from them to make a unit. x-D
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I want to buy some books from Ebay but price seems high, that due to high cost of express :(
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Just had a unit of Forest Goblin Infantry arrive from the afformentioned Polish guy-
From what I can see there's no double mould lines, and the sculpt seems as good as a NIB lot of the same goblins I have. I don't really have the experience though to pick up on any other details though.
He does pack them really well- always a positive IMO.
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I got the dragon princes and swords masters in today and they pass the test. They were also very well packed. Now if only I can get my hands of some Phoenix guard. :D
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Thyere is an auction for some Phoenix Guard running at the moment - been going for a day, maybe 2 days - he's based in the UK.
The Seller also has some Dragon Princes, Swordmasters and the Albion Character set up for grabs too.
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I'm after those Dragon Princes!!!!
May the deepest wallet win!
Dave
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My 3 units of Phoenix Guard and 2 units Swordmasters arrived today! I am stoked! Only thing wrong is a couple of the halberds are little bent. Guard are painted but that's nothing some Fairy Power Spray over a couple nights won't shift!
Thank you eBay. TheBay.
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I got the spider riders, they seem legit.
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hi guys, i listed daemon prince and slann priest on palanquin on evilbay.
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They both have my interest- thanks.
Something you may want to change- you've listed it as 'deamon', rather than 'daemon' prince.
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Hey you're right, thanks, damn yanks!
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Does anybody have some dwarf alts (iron breakers or hammerers) they want to sell? 8)
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Ironbreakers were never released. I haven't seen any of them on ebay since they were announced. The Eureka Anvil Dwarves are an excellent stand in.
http://eurekamin.com.au/product_info.php?cPath=87_100_101&products_id=10836
Good on the Hammers. It has taken me three years to see two blisters on ebay. They were only out for a week or two before being pulled. Expect to pay $50-100 per blister or more.
Chris
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I've just bought a Dark Elf army on Ebay, what do you think, deal or no deal? It was something of a snap decision and I'm not sure if I'm pleased with myself!
http://www.ebay.co.uk/itm/251037632010?ssPageName=STRK:MEWNX:IT&_trksid=p3984.m1439.l2649 (http://www.ebay.co.uk/itm/251037632010?ssPageName=STRK:MEWNX:IT&_trksid=p3984.m1439.l2649)
At least the Corsairs might be worth something, the rest I'll rebase and use.
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I've just bought a Dark Elf army on Ebay, what do you think, deal or no deal? It was something of a snap decision and I'm not sure if I'm pleased with myself!
http://www.ebay.co.uk/itm/251037632010?ssPageName=STRK:MEWNX:IT&_trksid=p3984.m1439.l2649 (http://www.ebay.co.uk/itm/251037632010?ssPageName=STRK:MEWNX:IT&_trksid=p3984.m1439.l2649)
At least the Corsairs might be worth something, the rest I'll rebase and use.
You taffer! I caught that as it appeared was a moment away from buying that but got called away for dinner - when I came back you had nabbed it. =-P
Oh well, it's not like I haven't got enough on my plate model wise as it is!
And yes it's a good deal, DElves go for near 80% retails when I see them up on ebay. It's 25 blisters, so £220 RRP, plus the extra value of the corsairs probably throws some more money at it - so you got one of the rarely seen armies in good condition for half price.
CURSE YOU GADGET
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Sorry about that! ;)
I was rushed into bidding by the fact that I had to take my youngest up to bed and had a feeling that it'd go before I got back online, looks like I was right!
It the painting is ok I'll be happy with the buy. The photos weren't really good enough to make out the level of detail but I'm hoping that rebasing will be all the work that's needed. I can't be bothered with stripping/repainting them so if they're not nice I guess they could well be up on ebay again..
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RESULT!
Even if painting is poor bang it on here at double price and buy yourself a mint in box one ;)
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Heh, doesn't seem bad from the photos PW, I've seen a lot worse! (Usually with "PRO PAINTED @.@ L@@K" in the listing title) =-P
An Empire army with White Wolf Knights in it got snapped up a bit later too.
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I almost went for that Empire army at the same time but bottled it at the last minute, mainly because I've got half an Empire army painted. I did try to convince a couple of my friends to buy it (selling the White Wolf unit would have made it a bargain) but they don't have the necessary Warmaster-wisdom! Or, regrettably, my ridiculous propensity to buy army after army!
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Recently I saw some Empire knights go for only £18 each or so? I'm surprised that some things go for relatively cheap on ebay - then I see a SOC blister get split up and it's £30 JUST for the two elves from it!
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Those knights were a great buy. ;)
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You guys have a lot more options in the UK eh? A lot of those great auctions don't ship to North America :(
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Always contact the seller to ask. Very few people list auctions willing to ship out here to Australia, but if you ask you can sometimes convince them to do that.
I found these odd:
http://www.ebay.co.uk/itm/180858402541?ssPageName=STRK:MEWAX:IT&_trksid=p3984.m1423.l2649 (http://www.ebay.co.uk/itm/180858402541?ssPageName=STRK:MEWAX:IT&_trksid=p3984.m1423.l2649)
http://www.ebay.co.uk/itm/180858399486?ssPageName=STRK:MEWAX:IT&_trksid=p3984.m1423.l2649 (http://www.ebay.co.uk/itm/180858399486?ssPageName=STRK:MEWAX:IT&_trksid=p3984.m1423.l2649)
http://www.ebay.co.uk/itm/180841875600?ssPageName=STRK:MEWAX:IT&_trksid=p3984.m1423.l2649 (http://www.ebay.co.uk/itm/180841875600?ssPageName=STRK:MEWAX:IT&_trksid=p3984.m1423.l2649)
I know these guys are all uncommon, but damn those prices are silly.
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Those are from a fellow forumite 8)
And he still misquotes the Kights Errant as Empire knights of the Panther......
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Well I'll tell you I was winning ALL of those when I went to bed the other night. Its to bad that it ended at 2:00 AM. I would have bid more on that dragon. : /
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I can't deny some of my shock at the prices they reached comes from annoyance at them escaping my own bidding limits :P
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There seems to be a bit of a resurgence in terms of Warmaster's prices on ebay at present, stuff I'd value at about £30 or so has really jumped upwards over the last month or two. I'm certainly priced out of the market for Alts on there for now - spending larger amounts on larger lots is far more fun!
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Gob smacked comes to mind , for some of the oops units . Even the instock items are fetching more than gw charge !.
Stuart
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Awhile ago I decided that if I am going to become a serious contender in the Warmaster market I should take a part time job out with the intention of using that money to fund my splash into Warmaster. This would allow me to compete with all those middle aged men with black Visa cards and at the same time not effect my living style. At the time there was a lot of great items on eBay and I am glad I had some semblance of a plan setup as it seems some of those items are crazy expensive even 2 months later. I have a few pure silver bars sitting next to my two unpainted units of dragon princes. I am sure you already know which has a higher market value. 8)
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As a 40 year old with a black visa card I have to console myself with the knowledge that although my youth has now slipped by, at least I can now afford whatever toys I want, within reason........
:)
Dave
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As a 40 year old with a black visa card I have to console myself with the knowledge that although my youth has now slipped by, at least I can now afford whatever toys I want, within reason........
:)
Dave
and even more importantly (says one who just turned 53 2 days ago !!), we tend to need less sleep !! so more chance to get that final bid in !!
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Yes, but we have to hurry to pain tall that we bought. At 60 it will be too late, with shaking hands. Better to paint now and play between 60 and 80. After that... I don't know. Maybe we will be able to sat and give orders to figs-pushers friends :-)
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Can somebody explain why there are auctions on eBay about non-OOP non-painted stuff that go for prices higher than their RRP?
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Can somebody explain why there are auctions on eBay about non-OOP non-painted stuff that go for prices higher than their RRP?
Because there are still people that are NOT aware we are here..... and that do not have the capability or resources to figure that out ??!
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I guess they are not aware there is GW online shop either!
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Without wishing to be cruel, some people are simply gullible and believe it when people advertise gaming stuff as "rare" or "oop" when it's not! The old roman saying of buyer beware applies! It's doubly true on the internet.
One day, if and when GW ever drops the Warmaster range, watch those prices go REALLY mental!
Dave
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I sometimes toy with the idea of reporting to ebay every sellers that sells stuff pretended OOP, but i never had the courage to do that (yet).
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I've done it a few times. The listings get pulled. It seems like no big deal to report them.
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A fool and his money are soon parted ;)
Some people nowadays, use eBay as their reference site for prices for all sorts of items.
Some sellers now use that to fleece fools out of their cash :(