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Warmaster => [WM] Warmaster Fantasy Discussion => [WM] Battlereports => Topic started by: Stormwind on November 10, 2014, 11:08:06 AM
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http://madgamers.co.uk/newforum/showthread.php?tid=2836
My friend Mark posted a nice little report on our gaming group forum!
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Rather than the link - As the author I've pasted it here.
Your comments on any game errors appreciated
Brettonians (Russ) on the right line up against Chaos (Stormwind).
Players rolled to choose board edge.
Each player sketched their line up and when both were ready placed their troops, this is something we have recently deicded to do for simple engagments. We like this as it means troops aren't always placed to immediately counter threats as often happens if you set up unit by unit. In one game played both sides refused the western flank and effecitvly played on a 4x4 board, in another each side refused their own right flank and the first turn consisted of manouvers to attain an attack position. Of course you learn your opponents favourite positions so you anticiapte, but then so does he.
As this was a 2000 point battle there wasn't a lot of empty board.
Pic 1 Starting point
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Players then rolled to start and the Brettonians won and started. Only the Brettonian general passed his command roll so his knights nudged forwards to improve the initial position, I'd be amazed if you can tell which ones moved in the next picture.
Chaos fared better and moved his troops forward, but this is warmaster, not every command roll succeds. The Chaos player was wary of the Brettonians charge and didn't push fowards as far as he might. As ever in this game it can be unwise to move brigades forwards into isolated positions. Both Chaos Sorcerers cast Anger of the Gods. At 4+ I think this is an excellent Chaos/irritaiing for opponent spell, as it can break up what might have been a strightforwards advance.
Pic 2 End turn 1
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At this point I failed to take enough pictures as events moved quickly.
So Pic 3 is a reconstruction for turn two.
The Brettonian left wing infantry moved and took position on the hill, the knights then passed and moved up to protect their flank and face off the still unmoving chaos infantry opposite.
On the right flank the infantry reached the hill. The knights were command forwards with an intent to hit the Chaos knights in the center table but the Sorcerer with them had cast Anger of the Gods, so they stopped within 30cm of the Knights but 33 from the Sorcerer, despite such cunning they failed the 2nd command so no charge.
Undaunted a brigade of knights in the centre were command forwards but declined, the General now took part and commanded the last brigade which moved three units to the line shown; positions 1, 2 + 3 again within 30 of the enemy but 31 from the Sorcerer. A succesfull 2nd command moved the Knights into the chaos units as shown the third knights with no target moved to the edge of the marsh. As a result of being passed through by the knights, the Chaos Sorcerer moved to the Harpies as shown.
The infantry fired at the chaos hounds both hits scored and the pushback roll moved them off table but with a 4 were straight back for movement in their turn. However as they had become detached from the brigade and due to continued failed rolls they took no further part in the battle, so good shooting.
The Enchantress cast shield of combat on the Knights (1), (yes we did forget to attach her).
The Knights won the first round of combat by 2 and pushed the enemy back 1cm, a stand of Marauders was lost no chaos knights, but unfortunately for chaos 1 stand of knights was lost as they retreated in to the impassable lake terrain. Ironically if they had lost a stand this would have been avoided.
It needed a third round of combat to finish off the chaos Knights and with no target within 10cms the knights fall back to the shown positions.
(The Chaos hounds were within 10cm but out of view because the Knights (2) were facing the rear and side of the Marauders, so had flanks and rear facing the Hounds.)
Pic 3
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In reposte Chaos moved its left flank to attack the infantry on the hill, but a failed 2nd roll left them threatening instead, the Chaos hounds charged into the knights the command roll for the harpies blundered: result charge nearest visible enemy deemed to be the other knights, which meant the harpies flanked themselves as shown, the last command moved the infantry brigade forwards but failed the intend 2nd roll that would have put them on the flank of the knights.
(We note we failed to move the Sorcerer with them, could he have left once in melee?)
Also can a character join and stay with a flying unit when it advances if he has no flying mount?
The first round was a win to the Brettoninas who pushed forwards (two bases of harpies lost and one chaos hounds) but the second was a draw both sides moving back, Chaos won the draw so moved after the Brettonians
Both sides falling back/forwards but not crossing the combat line the Brettonians lined up by good fortune in brigade formation with the Knights by the marsh whilst the chaos hounds and harpies moved behind the Chaos Infantry group to lick their wounds.
Pic 4
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Again apologies no picture taken at the right moment instead this is the end picture with units already been taken off or moved out of location.
The Archers evaded into a line across the hill, I cant recall if the knight by the marsh used initiative or were ordered to charge the chaos infantry (represented by the black line).
The Brettonias infantry at the bottom was ordered to move and formed up with the archers. The Knight behind were moved and the Chaos Infantry (represented by the black line) was just in charge range of one unit which hit them in the flank joining or to be joined by the other knights the others lined up to support the infantry.
On the left wing the knights advanced and then moved again two charging into combat with the chaos infantry in front of them a third hitting the unengaged unit to their left in the flank with the last moving to a position towards the rear as shown.
In the shooting phase the archers pushed the chaos back against the wooded area, and as they rolled a 6 achived a confused status.
In combat the centre four knights taking on the infantry slowly chewed through them. It became clear that when they won they would advance into the harpy and chaos hounds stands behind them and this would end the game.
Pic 5
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The other two combats weren't fought as Chaos conceded the game.
final pic
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Some of the biggest problems faced by chaos thoroughout the game were his own command rolls, as ever he sufferred
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(We note we failed to move the Sorcerer with them, could he have left once in melee?)
Also can a character join and stay with a flying unit when it advances if he has no flying mount?
1) characters without a flying mount could not join a unit of flyers
2) characters do NOT move with a unit in the order/movement fase, they are repositioned afterwards
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(We note we failed to move the Sorcerer with them, could he have left once in melee?)
Also can a character join and stay with a flying unit when it advances if he has no flying mount?
1) characters without a flying mount could not join a unit of flyers
2) characters do NOT move with a unit in the order/movement fase, they are repositioned afterwards
Sorry I think I need to qualify.
A) The Brettonians had moved through the Sorcerer's position so my understanding is that he MUST join a unit within 30 cm.
b) Are you suggesting that under these circumstance if the character is not mounted on a flyer, he may not join a flying unit and that if no other unit is within 30cm he is lost?
C) My further understanding is that any character that joins a unit through choice or otherwise stays with it until the next Character movement phase, are you saying instead that the character can detach from the unit when the unit is commanded to move?
Sorry, Warmaster is a beautiful and straightforward game but I find the devil is in the detail.
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A) The Brettonians had moved through the Sorcerer's position so my understanding is that he MUST join a unit within 30 cm.
A unit, not perse the nearest and it must be a unit he can/ is allowed to join..... rg. general on flyre could not join a unit in woods.
b) Are you suggesting that under these circumstance if the character is not mounted on a flyer, he may not join a flying unit and that if no other unit is within 30cm he is lost?
Yep
C) My further understanding is that any character that joins a unit through choice or otherwise stays with it until the next Character movement phase, are you saying instead that the character can detach from the unit when the unit is commanded to move?
If a character joins a unit then he will be "stuck" with them until the NEXT friendly movement fase. At the START of the movementfase the character is deemed to be no longer attached !! So it is NOT an option to detach
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Really nice game, and great armies. How many kinghts did bretonnian have?
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Brilliant Lex.
I'll admit we thought the character was attached until his movement phase, Hurrah for this forum!
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Chaos Army, 2000 points
Warmaster Armies
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300 - 2 Chaos Warriors
180 - 3 Chaos Marauders
270 - 3 Marauder Horsemen
600 - 3 Chaos Knights
120 - 4 Chaos Hounds
65 - 1 Harpies
125 - 1 General
160 - 2 Hero
180 - 2 Sorcerer
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2000 - 16/8
This was my list!
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Hi folks, I was the other player...... My army list was as follows:
Warmaster Army Selector
Bretonnian Army, 2000 points
Warmaster Armies
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110 - 2 Bowmen
90 - 2 Men-at-arms
60 - 2 Peasants
180 - 2 Squires
990 - 9 Knights
240 - 2 Grail Knights
125 - 1 General
160 - 2 Hero
45 - 1 Enchantress
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2000 - 11/6
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welcome to the forum Grabner, I really like your bretonian armylist.
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Thanks and thanks! I deliberately left out magical items etc so that I could get a feel for the units advantages / disadvantages. Like everything new, I like to get a handle on things before I start tinkering. Loving warmaster at the moment, it has encouraged me to get back into war gaming
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Great report guys.
So regarding the Bret list - it seems to geared towards having as large a breakage / break points as possible. Which is probably really wise. But did you try units such as Trebuchet(s) or the Pegasus knights from the experimental list?
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My friend got a Bret army from Pendraken simply to do something "cheap and dirty" with an eye to possibly using it as a historical / crusader list. We had a tournament and he basically built up the army quick just to have a go at it. He had no time to try and source true proxy figures for the Trebuchet, and Eureka only released the Pegasus Knights months after he had built the army.
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Makes sense!
I am 2 knights and 2 pegasus units (will get Eureka's) away from having this 2000 pts. Bret. list:
Bretonnian Tournament Army, 2000 points
Warmaster Trial Armies Compendium 2009
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110 - 2 Bowmen
135 - 3 Men-at-arms
60 - 2 Peasants
180 - 2 Squires
550 - 5 Knights
240 - 2 Grail Knights
160 - 2 Pegasus Knights
200 - 2 Trebuchet (Kallistra)
130 - 1 General
- 1 Sword of Fate (5)
175 - 2 Hero
- 1 Pegasus (15)
60 - 1 Enchantress
- 1 Unicorn (15)
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2000 - 9/5
--- So I was just wondering if Trebuchets and Pegasus knights are worth it...
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I think that any artillery unit is a psychological threat that can affect the enemy's will to engage with you and is therefore a useful tool.
I feel kind of naked in a Chaos list without any missile troops whatsoever.
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I've gone with 2 different Bretonnian lists, but have yet to begin painting the Brets,
Bretonnian Tournament Army, 2000 points
Warmaster Trial Armies Compendium 2009
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90 - 2 Men-at-arms
60 - 2 Peasants
180 - 2 Squires
880 - 8 Knights
240 - 2 Grail Knights
160 - 2 Pegasus Knights
125 - 1 General
175 - 2 Hero
- 1 Pegasus (15)
90 - 2 Enchantress
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2000 - 12/6
and a "Peasant" version,
Bretonnian Tournament Army, 2000 points
Warmaster Trial Armies Compendium 2009
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220 - 4 Bowmen
90 - 2 Men-at-arms
150 - 4 Peasants
- 1 Grail Reliquae (30)
360 - 4 Squires
440 - 4 Knights
240 - 2 Grail Knights
200 - 2 Trebuchet
130 - 1 General
- 1 Sword of Fate (5)
80 - 1 Hero
90 - 2 Enchantress
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2000 - 6/3
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Oh yeah, I forgot about the Reliquae!
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My friend got a Bret army from Pendraken simply to do something "cheap and dirty" with an eye to possibly using it as a historical / crusader list. We had a tournament and he basically built up the army quick just to have a go at it. He had no time to try and source true proxy figures for the Trebuchet, and Eureka only released the Pegasus Knights months after he had built the army.
Really smart. Any chances to see a close up of the knights. They seems very nice in the "aerial" photos, full of colors and fitting really good as bretoninan army.
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I'm toying with the idea with both which I am hoping to pick up this weekend (warfare show in Reading) so hopefully, by next weekend, I'll have a answer for you!
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What supplier would you get a Trebuchet from?
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I think Kallistra for the Trebuchet (2 models per pack) which should cover it.
My Pendraken nights.....
Grail nights (2 units)
(http://imagizer.imageshack.us/v2/640x480q90/194/hn46.jpg)
Knights (9 units)
(http://imagizer.imageshack.us/v2/640x480q90/7/jvpe.jpg)
If you would like some more photos, let me know and I will put some more up.
I like the idea of a peasant list, my only concern would be a low breaking point (from my limited knowledge, lesser troops don't count towards moral?), which means protecting your knights which kind of takes the sting out of the army?
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I like the idea of a peasant list, my only concern would be a low breaking point (from my limited knowledge, lesser troops don't count towards moral?), which means protecting your knights which kind of takes the sting out of the army?
Your infantry units will form the "towers and walls" of your castle, with the knight in the "courtyard" ready to sally forth.....
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I like the idea of a peasant list, my only concern would be a low breaking point (from my limited knowledge, lesser troops don't count towards moral?), which means protecting your knights which kind of takes the sting out of the army?
Your infantry units will form the "towers and walls" of your castle, with the knight in the "courtyard" ready to sally forth.....
Ooh like that! Looking at the army, 6 units of knights (10 if you count the squires) could be pretty handy.
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Now you see the violence inherent in the system!
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"He ran away, he chickened out, of brave Sir Robin!"
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:)
I see you made grial knight wiht elm37, and bretonian kinghts with gothic knights. I really like them. Those pictures are ok for me. You had done a great work in the color scheme, very efective for bretonians.
Thanks for the pictures.
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Nice models! Good job!
Please share your experience here!
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Thanks for all the kind comments guys ;)
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So...... I picked up some trebuchets today as well as some Pegasus knights. I bought the knights from pendraken, and the pegasus from magistermilitant. Only question is, is how do the Pegasus knights work? I pressume they are mounted 3 to a base, or are they mounted singularly? Points wise, am I right in thinking they are 80 points per base?
Thought I would clear that up before basing them!
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http://wm-selector.appspot.com/army_selector.html?list=bretonniantournament
Size is 3 so they are based like cavalry or giant eagles and you get 3 bases of them to an 80 point unit. Depending on size I would say you only need to put 1 or 2 per base.
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Thank you. Trebuchets look cool, kallistra give you 2 per blister, only downside, is that you only get two figures as crew per thrower.
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There is a catalogue around here, if you would like to contribuite would be great :)
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With pleasure!
Blister pack
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contents
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How big are those bases, m8?
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Thanks for the pics, they are appreciated.
But for contributing the catalogue a new thread should be open in the catalogue forum.
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Sorry, was trying to find it but couldn't see where I was meant to post it!
Ben, too small! I've not measured them but I would say 30x20?
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sorry my fault
http://www.forum.specialist-arms.com/index.php?board=63.0
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http://www.forum.specialist-arms.com/index.php?topic=4117.0
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I'm thinking about fielding Pegasus Knights tomorrow for a 1k points battle (in fact, it will be 1150 points because of our campaign rules), and I'm really curious about how they'll work. It seems really nice to me, especially when combined with Enchantress with Ring of Magic (Lady's favour cast without a roll) for outflank.
Peasants with Grail Reliquae is a must-have choice for me. Against armies with strong shooting, I just send them forward to catch all the shooting. They're not driven back or confused (so the shooting doesn't break your formation) which makes them excellent meat shield. Against other types of armies - 4 attacks for such a low point cost is great. And it's a unit that you don't mind getting rid of in a suicidal charge, just to weaken stronger enemy units. Although, when it comes to compulsory charging the enemy, it's kind of hard to arrange them so all the units are touching the one with the relic. And pursuit - that's not something you would do unless the unit with the relic itself is in the combat (I try to keep it behind as long as possible). As I said, brigade of 4 peasants with grail reliquae is a must-have for any Bretonnian general.
However, I usually don't maximize number of knights in my army. I like to have decent number of troops to drag the enemies out where I want them, and to have an "anvil" smash the enemies against with my cavalry. The disadvantage of this approach is low break point (2 for 1k points, 3 or 4 for 2k points), so you have to be extra careful where you're sending your precious knights.
Trebuchet - I decided to scratch build one for myslef, but I'm probably not gonna usi it untill I have 2 or three of them (so they can actually cause casulties). I don't like the idea of unmovable machine which forces a highly mobile bretonnian army to guard the warmachines.
It's WIP, but the construction itself is complete. Now, I "only" need to paint it, convert the crew (peasants seem to be the best, because it's probably the only unit that doesn't have shields) and make the base.
(http://www.imagehosting.cz/images/wiptrelxl.jpg)