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Games Archive => [GA] Man o'War => Topic started by: Aldhick on August 26, 2016, 08:48:44 PM
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Played our first full pain battle, so I'd like to share some pics.
It was Undead vs. Dark elves. Undead got beaten, but the Necropolis was able to hold steadily through the whole game.
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I love your hydras!
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That looks great! Hopefully, one day, I can show something similar.
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What represent Warmaster hydra? Black Fortress? Sea Dragon monster?
Beautiful paint.
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Fantastic pictures :). Thank you for sharing these. I always like to see pictures of Man O'War battles. It's the first time I've seen an Undead Fleet. I didn't even realise that there was one. Great to see them in action.
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Thanx for comments.
Those hydras represent Death fortreses. The Undead fleed showed up in Citadel magazines. The models are my own humble creations.
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I've seen you asking questions about the undead fleet on the sea of claws yahoo group, great to see it in action! love the different unique models.
What game did you get the skull tokens from and what do they represent in the MOW game?
How did you make your MOW cards and spell cards and templates? The often not talked about but really half of the physical game part ;)
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Yeah. As usual in MoW, the "later" stuff has some balance issues - particulary undead are too weak, especially against DE so we had to use some houserules.
The tokens are Wahrammer fantasy tokens once distributed by GW. But they are long gone - I got it through ebay few years ago. Some symbolise "immobilised" some "abandoned".
The cards and templates are all from Yahoo file section, printed, cut and put into that machine which wraps it into a plastic foil by heat.. don't know how is it called in English...
You are right.. you cannot play without it... the basic game box was about the templates and cards, not about ships..
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Wait, did the Undead fleet ever have official models?
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its called, the Laminator!
I got one free from work as they replaced theirs under warranty and I got to take it home and clean off the garbage that wrapped itself around the rollers. A long weekend project but a free laminator is a free laminator. I have used the crap out of it for gaming stuff so I was excited to take it home no matter what.
The undead never did have official mini's. They had a lot of magazine rules (Citadel Journal #6, 1994....Date?)thrown out there but as Aldhck says, kind of weak and needed some tuning but they were released so late that I don't think GW cared. They just wanted to test the interest in the game after it started fluttering, my thoughts anyways.
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In fact they tried to enhance the firstly published rules in CJ 6 by an update in CJ 9, but it was still unsufficient.
The main problem is the crew system. There are three types of "wizard". The better wizard you take the more crew you have... which might make sense at first glance but... if you take a Toomb king, which costs 50pts, you can spend more poins on ships, but have not enought crew to man them...If you take Necromancer for 300pts and compulsory Necropolis for 250, you have 450 points left for the rest of your fleet.. Meanwhile Skullhammer squadron, which are small 3 crew ships that even cannot shoot - only ram, costs 250 points. And even then, you can mostly fill the crew slots only with zombies, which are -1 in boarding actions.
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are zombies a TOTAL +0 to the boarding die roll just like chaos spawns? Chaos spawn crew are described as a +1 as they are a crew and then a -1 as they are a mindless spawn, so a total of +0. Really good for putting at the top of a pile and basically allowing a re-roll of the first boarding action you lose.
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How did you make your MOW cards and spell cards and templates? The often not talked about but really half of the physical game part ;)
The cards and templates are all from Yahoo file section, printed, cut and put into that machine which wraps it into a plastic foil by heat.. don't know how is it called in English...
You are right.. you cannot play without it... the basic game box was about the templates and cards, not about ships..
https://groups.yahoo.com/neo/groups/theseaofclaws/files/Redrawn%20MoW%20Cards/
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C. J., the exact wording is "-1 to roll when leading an attack", so I'm afraid it really is -1 :-)
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C. J., the exact wording is "-1 to roll when leading an attack", so I'm afraid it really is -1 :-)
When involved in a boarding action, you roll the dice, you adding the total number of crew counters in the stack plus any other modifiers for guns, etc., and you add special effects.
For Skaven Slaves "If a ship is crewed by Slaves it gets -1 to all boarding action dice rolls."
For Zombie "-1 to roll when leading an attack"
So when Zombie leading boarding action D6 + number of crew counter in the stack - 1
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your talking about the -1 for zombies right? you had me thinking I was wrong, and with my limited time with MOW I thought I was and had to look it up.
I think I would go with the +1 plus -1 just like the spawns....the rules state, "bonus modifier" so the bonus would be the -1 when leading, a bonus to the +1 for each crew.
so roll a 4
add up 2 crew (+2)
add up cannons to repel the boarding action (+1)
add up spell effects (lets say none)
add up special modifiers, (-1, led by zombies)
so 6 total when defending in a boarding action.
lets say you still lost that one, you would have the zombie killed so....
roll a 4 on the next round
add up 1 crew (+1)
add up cans (still +1)
add up spells and bonus' (+0, no more zombies in the lead)
so a total of 6.
That's just my opinion, I could be wrong. but I'm basing it off of "Bonus", bonus to what?
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cjbennett22, I can say you are right.
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lets say you still lost that one, you would have the zombie killed so....
roll a 4 on the next round
add up 1 crew (+1)
add up cans (still +1)
add up spells and bonus' (+0, no more zombies in the lead)
so a total of 6.
you can add the cannon bonus only in first round of boarding and regarding the undead crew point, your crews will be mostly zombies, so the -1 is still there... But the principle is right.
Just an example how the Undead crew works:
If you take the Liche (best Undead wizard costing 300pts!!), you have 15 crew points per 500 points.
So you have 30 crew points in a 1000 point game. Zombie crew is 1poit and -1 in boarding, Skeleton cres is 2 crew points and no bonus in boarding, Wight is 3 crew point and +1 to boarding action.
So the list would be:
Liche 300
Floating necropois 250 (8 crew slots)
Ghost ship 150 (5 crew slots)
Death ship sq 150 (total 9 crew slots)
Death ship sq 150 (total 9 crew slots)
that is 8 ships with 31 crew slots. So even vith 300 pts wizard and only 8 ships, you are not able to fully men your ships and all the crew would be zombies with -1 for boarding.
If you take Tombk king as admiral instead of Liche, you would have more points on ships, but only 20 crew points! I really don't know what were the "designers" thinking....
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those are maximum numbers so if you stick to the average.....
floating Nec, 5 crew
Ghost ship, 3 crew
Death ship, 12 crew total
20 crew grand total well in comparison to other fleets, BUT, 2 points for a skeleton counter is a bit steep as you could only have 15 skeletons so then (30 points max.).....
floating Nec, 2 skeletons, 3 zombies (replace zombies with a wight?)
Ghost ship, 2 skeletons, 1 zombie (just 1 wight)
Death ships, 6 skeletons, 6 zombies. (1 wight each only?)
That still seems to be really weak and I notice there is no wights :( (went back down the list and added them)
I don't have my rules so maybe the ships are more effective than the average in other fleets, maybe the magic is really good? I do really like to just stay back and let magic go for a bit and stack my hand THEN unleash the fleet. I don't see anything unfair with the crew but I can really notice the additional complexity of it, trying to man you ships before taking to the table. This fleet could benefit from a nice spreadsheet to help fill out crew that's for sure.
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Also, where can I find the rule that states the cannon bonus being only in the first round of a boarding action. it makes sense but is never mentioned in the rulebook that I can find. Thank you.
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Also, where can I find the rule that states the cannon bonus being only in the first round of a boarding action. it makes sense but is never mentioned in the rulebook that I can find. Thank you.
you are right, you can... my mistake
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I just skimmed through the rules, the +d6 bonus to a boarding action would make up for any lack of crew but man, so few ships in a 1000 point fleet. I don't know how you could do a fleet at 500 points. What did GW expect it's players to do for models in the first place anyhow? Damned fools
The necromantic specific spells would certainly help with the enemies ships and crew though, ouch!
I never looked into the undead, but now, I want to play as an undead fleet or at least against one, they seem fun.
Aldhick, I thought you showed me something I had been doing wrong all this time, I was really worried about the grapeshot rule. I never played this game until a couple years ago this coming January and I have tried really hard to learn everything I can but still have yet to play a game against anyone that knows it.
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The thing is, that you can use +D6 only when taking Tomb King who cannot use magic. So no such bonus and undead spells in the same fleet.... unfortunately...
And what I really don't get is 250 points for Skullhammers... compared to Wargalleys which are 150, they have +1 crew (which does not necessarily mean you are able to fill the slots, and if so, it will be very likely zombies), better save on some places, but they cannot shoot and have no oars... with movement of 6" their chances to ram are pretty limited if you play against experienced player and even if you succesfully ram, it's still negatet by save on 4+ so.... ok, there's the lightnig stuff, but still, the chace to use it 1:1 even when you manage to ram...
250 points for such uncertanity (in context with the point costs of undead wizards and other ships) it seems like "no way" option to me..
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A good rule for the skull rammers, having no oars, would be to treat them just like the high elf dragon ship with the dragon blades. The ships can ram really easily through a ship and in my opinion be worth the 250 for a squadron of three.
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My three fleets finally done
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very nice fleets! very nice miss markers too!
I hope the undead fleet gets plenty of gameplay and fares well.
I wish I was close enough for a game that's for sure.
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Gorgeous!
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Thanx guys.
Unfortunately the distance can hardly greater CJ :-) Maybe if you were on New Zaeland :-)