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Offline Schindbua

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Re: Facing and shooting
« Reply #15 on: February 01, 2010, 08:32:55 AM »
I understand.
Whatabout situations when the side you are supposed to charge is unchargeable?
Less then 1cm frontage due to terrain or units blocking, etc.

Than, the charge ist not allowed;
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Re: Facing and shooting
« Reply #16 on: February 03, 2010, 10:46:31 PM »
Only if the charger can not see another edge on another stand of the enemy. Check Rules Update, p8.
So what do you do when a charger is situated in the front arc, but in the front edge of the enemy there is already a moved in charger?
If the answer is: no charge, this is starting to look like WH.  :D

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Re: Facing and shooting
« Reply #17 on: February 04, 2010, 06:11:54 AM »
Only if the charger can not see another edge on another stand of the enemy. Check Rules Update, p8.
So what do you do when a charger is situated in the front arc, but in the front edge of the enemy there is already a moved in charger?
If the answer is: no charge, this is starting to look like WH.  :D
If you are in front edge with LOS on the side, and the target unit is already pinned over FULL front edge, you can go side. If there is still any frontage of target you can get too, then you MUST go front, which means that is there is reachable frontage but not enough room to place, you can not charge. Use ordered move into support position (as this willl usualy happen to infantery untis charging.

Remember the OBLIGATION on charge to move closest stands first, centre stands on contact and extend frontage on enemy where possible.

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Re: Facing and shooting
« Reply #18 on: February 05, 2010, 03:55:24 PM »
So you are saying:
if 3 inf stands has fully covered 3 enemy stands, which leaves a free corner on each end stand of the enemy , and you are in the front arc with your second unit, it may not charge. ?!
Altough it has both line of sight and enough Move to get to the flank.
If so, it is WH.

OR

if 3 inf stands has fully covered 3 enemy stands, which leaves a free corner on each end stand of the enemy , and you are in the front arc with your second unit, it may not charge if they can not get into correct position in the front of the enemy unit. ?!
Altough it has both line of sight and enough Move to get to the flank.
Also WH.

(forgive me for being somewhat blunt, I am just surprised if above were to be correct)

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Re: Facing and shooting
« Reply #19 on: February 08, 2010, 03:24:33 PM »
So you are saying:
if 3 inf stands has fully covered 3 enemy stands, which leaves a free corner on each end stand of the enemy , and you are in the front arc with your second unit, it may not charge. ?!
Altough it has both line of sight and enough Move to get to the flank.
If so, it is WH.

OR

if 3 inf stands has fully covered 3 enemy stands, which leaves a free corner on each end stand of the enemy , and you are in the front arc with your second unit, it may not charge if they can not get into correct position in the front of the enemy unit. ?!
Altough it has both line of sight and enough Move to get to the flank.
Also WH.

(forgive me for being somewhat blunt, I am just surprised if above were to be correct)


From my read of Lex, neither of your readings is quite right.

If you are in front arc, you must charge front, unless:
1) the front is _fully_ engaged by another unit -- i.e. the unit's frontage is fully covered.
and
2) you can see -- and reach the unit's flank.

In response to your first option: no... you can charge -- as you've said, the front of the enemy is fully engaged, and _you can legally move to touch the flank_.

And second option, yes, they can charge flank given your conditions: i.e. front _fully covered_.  The wrinkle is that they couldn't charge flank if
1) they could possibly engage the front: i.e. the enemy's front wasn't fully covered
or
2) they could possibly engage front but couldn't fit (because of other extraneous in the way), in which case the only way they could 'participate/influence' the combat would be to go in support.

#2 is complicated by the existence of terrain obstacles and other units.

Interestingly, #2 suggests that there are situations where infantry could charge the flank and cavalry/long-based monsters could not: e.g. a 3cm separation between the unit's flank and some obstacle/ other unit than prevented the long-based unit from 'fitting.'



 




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Re: Facing and shooting
« Reply #20 on: February 14, 2010, 02:16:52 AM »
Thanks for your clarifications C.

The reason I started to play WM and later on began to love the rule-system, is that it lacked (thank god) all the faults that Warhammer has.
One of those is when a unit see´s an enemy, that it can reach, but it may not charge due to unlogical and (frankly) bl**dy odd written rules.
WM has none of these rulings in my oppinion. At least, it should not have.

Odd post, sorry, but that is were I stand.