Athel Loren - Bretonnian Border Patrol Warband

[Master]

Well, we were talking about a rewards of the lady table for the bretonnians, similar to the rewards of the shadow lord, here is my rough draft:

Instead of skill, roll 2d6 for questing knight or knight errant:
2 - Called by the lady: The knight is called elsewhere by the lady, he abandons his warband with all his items and leaves this land for good, remove him from the roster (although your gaming group might want to make a special dramatis personae for him  )
3-6 A minor boon: The boon granted by the lady is so minor that it has no real effect, like a lucky letter reaching him from his family back home, or a lucky hit in a contest, whatever the result it has no gaming effect.
7-8 grant of the lady: The lady grants this warrior a special gift, choose one of his stats and increase it by 1, this cannot increase that stat beyond his racial maximum, if all he is at maximum stats he gains an extra attack.
9
10 A valiant steed: The lady has decided that this warrior needs a valiant steed to ride. He gains a steed with barding and the following statline (which only he may ride off course):

M WS BS S T W I A LD 9  4    3  4 3  1 4 1 7

If he already possess such a steed, treat this as a result of 8 instead.
11 Sword of the lady: The knight is granted one of the might swords of the lady, it has magical attacks, can parry, adds +1 strength and +1 to hit.
12 A sip from the grail: The knight has been accepted by the lady, and becomes a grail knight, he receives +1 strength, +1 toughness and +2 leadership in addition he is immune to psychology, if the warband contains no other grail knights he will immediately become the warband leader. These stat increases may take him above his racial maximums up to a maximum of 10 in the respective area.

[StyrofoamKing]

I really like. As for filling in the holes, why not take some of the 'spiritual' stuff I dropped out of the original Bret warband?  It seems silly to have ever-present prayers with a secular warband, but if they are seeking the Lady's blessing, it would make more sense that they may randomly be granted it.

7-8 - May gain +1 Char. or gain a 'Virtue' from the original Bretonnian Warband skill list.

9 - The hero gains the lady's mark of protection. Before playing a game, the hero may make a Leadership test. If the test is successful the Lady of the Lake has bestowed her blessing upon the hero. The blessing takes the form of a powerful curse upon the enemies of chivalry, and in particular upon those that make use of the foul and dishonourable weapons of mass destruction. Any model in the opposing warband who wishes to fire a missile weapon at the blessed hero must roll a D6 and score 4+ to overcome the curse, otherwise they may not fire the weapon. This only applies to shots that specifically target the hero, not shots that include him/her amongst other targets (ex. blunderbuss, grapeshot, etc.)

12: I like. Add 'causes magical attacks', I think.  He just radiates holiness now.

[ANSWER_MOD_DABANK]

Great idea but just keep them toned done as the Rewards from the Shadowlord in Mordheim are optional and are quite strong.


If a Questing Knight were to gain such Rewards would other warbands be a a disadvantage? What you don't want is everyone picking the Knights to play.

[Master]

First, I agree with Dabank, we need to give the other warbands benefits to match these benefits from the bretonnians. Either give them their own table (wood elves & savage orcs?), or a refund when hiring (bowmen, beastmen?).

I like your idea for number 9 and feel stupid for not including it myself, good job.

12, Yes, magical attacks should be added too, however my reasoning was that he probably already has a sword of the lady, but well, true he should strike magical attacks.
Also instead of +1 Strength the sword could give +1 to wound undead and the possessed instead? As to make the warband better against those warbands.

I agree with your idea for the 7-8, it is much more smooth, my reasoning was that +1A was in fact the same as an extra arm.

Perhaps the steed should be on a roll of 9 instead and the special ability to be protected from missile weapons on a 10? Mainly as the steed is a one time grant.

[StyrofoamKing]

Steed: I agree, the steed (value 100gc-ish) should be result #9, while the blessing (which replaced Chaos Armor, which cianty set at 180gc) should be #10.

Oh, I forgot: when riding that steed and that steed only, the rider doesn't need 'Ride Warhorse' skill.  If that's too much, take away the S4 and/or the barding, and make it a regular warhorse.

[Master]

Well, with barding and so the value of the steed is rather 160gc, as it has +1 ws, +1s and +1 initative over a regular steed.

Perhaps take away the barding and allow the steed to be ridden without any ride skills?

[ANSWER_MOD_DABANK]

I never like the idea that you needed a "ride" skill for a hero to ride a horse. Maybe something is needed for henchmen by gaining 2 exp or something but heroes should know already.

[Master]

Alas it became a rule with the mordheim annual, I'm not sure I like it either, but well, it is a rule.

[StyrofoamKing]

Well, without the skill, they can still ride, but anytime they are hit with a missile, or in every turn of combat, they have to roll leadership or roll for 'Whoa boy'... which, considering that's the injury chart, is pretty brutal.

If it's any help, the Questing knight starts with 'Ride warhorse'.  Even if all of the knights don't start with it, it'd make sense HE did.

horse cost: well, in the old Shadowlord table, you get chaos armor on a 9 or 10, meaning it's no big if the bonus costs about the same.

[ANSWER_MOD_DABANK]

I am well aware of the ride skill and how it works for those without it. Never thought that one was a good idea considering the cost of horses and equipment for them.

The "Whoa Boy" table is a killer also, that is why we never bought horses unless we had tons of extra money to spend.

[ANSWER_MOD_DABANK]

Lady Olania of Brionne

Hire Fee: 30 gold crown to hire. The money is actually exausted helping peasants while looking for Lady Olania no mater if they find her or not the money is gone. Lady Olania will only join the warband if they send one or more knights to look for her in the normal manner, rolling under their leadership (representing the knights efforts to gain her companionship). She will stay with the warband provided they pay her upkeep of 30 gold crowns and the leader of the warband must pass a Leadership test, if the test is failed she will leave and takes the 30 gold crowns to get home. She will never return to a warband that fails the leadership roll for her to stay, but if the warband couldn't afford her and then decided to seek her out again she may join in the usual way (see above).

May be Hired: Lady Olania will only join Bretonnian warbands.

Rating: Lady Olania increases a warband's rating by +65

M:4 WS:3 BS:3 S:3 T:3 W:2 I:4 A:1 LD:8

Weapons/Armor: Sword and Staff of Brillance (Opponents in base contact are -1 to hit the Damsel in close combat).

Skills
Sorcery and Mind Focus (Described in the Annual 2002)

Special Rules
Spells: Lady Olania knows the following spells Flight of Zimmerman, Silver Arrows of Arha, Luck of Shemtek, and Sword of Rezhelbel.

Blessing: If any enemy model wishes to shoot at Lady Olania, then they must first roll a 4+ on a D6 to overcome the blessing.

Entrall: At the begginning of the CC phase, select one model in base contact with the Lady Olania, The selected model must pass a Leadership test, or he will not beable to attack in that combat phase. This only works on living male models, this will not work on undead or possessed.



Lady Olania of Brionne

Lady Olania is the daughter of Baroness Louis De Gearld and Lady Elaina born in wealth and splendor. The Lady Elaina died soon after Olania was born, Olania grew in the care of her nanny Celine. Celine herself a damsel of the Lady of the Lake instilled a since of honor and respect for her fellow man in the young Olania. This new found respect didn’t please her father, she would often argue with him over the fates of the serfs and peasants and that they should ease their burdens. Her father although not evil felt everyone had their rightful place in the world weather noble or peasant and this is as it has always has been and always will be.

Displeased at what he considered the interference of Celine in his daughters moral upbringing, decided to send Celine away. Shortly after Celine left Olania received a vision of a beautiful woman made of shimmering water the Lady told her that it was time for her to leave and help those less fortunate then she was. Olania followed the guidance of the Lady ran away, while on the streets she found kindness from the peasants as they had taken her in a kept her safe from harm. She learned their ways and suffered their burdens living with them moving from village to village helping where she could, when she heard of her father’s illness, she decided to go and see him.

Olania returned to her home to see her father, her father begged for her forgiveness as he laid dieing. For it was his own servants that have been there for him, taking care of his daily needs and easing the suffering of old man. After her fathers death Olania relinquished her fathers lands, and sold their possessions.

She now travels the land helping those who are down trodden, and offering guidance to nobles who desire to promote fairness and opportunities to the peasantry. It can be difficult to find her as the peasants are the last people to see her and she will only help nobles willing to treat the peasants with kindness and to aid them in their suffering.

[Master]

Nice a DP! (should be posted in the appropriate thread though  )

Well, I really like her, and the only thing I would change would be her cost, 30gc might not be enough, but with the LD test it seems okay. Also some clarification on whether the staff of brilliance can be used to attack with would be nice.

She's a pretty neat caster addition to any bretonnian warband.

Also, explaining why she doesn't use the damsels prayers is quite easy, because damsels are only damsels if they have been taken from their family from childbirth.

Also, is she the daughter of a baroness and a lady? Hmm... Odd 

[StyrofoamKing]

DaBank: Didn't mean to insult your intelligence, amigo, I swear.

The Lady: I like. While 30gc may be low, it's still TWICE what you pay for the underpriced Nicodemus... and the Ld rules and the pay-whether-you-find-her-or-not is a is a neat twist.

Bretonnians: for clarification, DaBank, would you consider the Bowmen of Bergerac a 'Bretonnian warband', and thus able to hire her?

[Master]

It would certainly follow her fluff

[ANSWER_MOD_DABANK]

Remember, I had posted in another one of your threads that this was VCCountblood's design. Not mine. I can take no credit other than finding one of the two he wrote. This Lady was written back around 2003.

Yes, fluffwise it should or reword accordingly.

If I can find the other one, I will post it.