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What models would you like to see in a 10mm fantasy miniatures range?

Generic fantasy armies (that could be used for various settings, like GoT, etc.)
15 (26.3%)
Alternative models for OOP Warmaster units (elite units, Kislev, etc.)
13 (22.8%)
Models for Warmaster Trial armylists
14 (24.6%)
Monsters big and small (all the classic fantasy monsters and beasts)
7 (12.3%)
Characters of myth and legend (think Beowulf & Grendel, and such)
2 (3.5%)
A complete range for an entirely different/new setting (please explain)
3 (5.3%)
I'd buy all of the above
2 (3.5%)
Something else entirely (please explain in the comments section)
1 (1.8%)

Total Members Voted: 23

Voting closed: June 02, 2012, 06:37:22 AM

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Offline David Wasilewski

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Re: [WM] 10mm fantasy miniatures range survey
« Reply #15 on: May 29, 2012, 10:09:43 PM »
I have several, huge armies of original GW fantasy warmaster and only go for figures which look compatible with them. Hence I prefer strips of infantry and cavalry and missile troops and cavalry in 'pairs,' monsters as individuals etc.

I love the GW WHFB world (despite detesting the company's current policies) and would only be likely to buy armies that fit in with that background for games of warmaster. (I do play historical stuff too though). I am aware that IP is an issue for 'new' and unofficial sculpts. However, GW ripped most of their imagery and background off others (Tolkein, legends etc) so as long as its going back to those sources I dont see a problem with most figures, as long as they're named carefully.

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Re: [WM] 10mm fantasy miniatures range survey
« Reply #16 on: May 30, 2012, 09:15:05 PM »
My thoughts...

I'm completely sold on GW's look for figures (after about 30 years of them they looks 'natural' though I am well aware that they are far from natural when compared to actual humans/weapons/horses). So, for me the figures would need to fit in with this. I'm also not looking for a new game so I would be unlikely to read new rules/buy figures for a new game unless they looked insanely good.

In your poll I voted for terrain for three reasons. First, most of the races I'd want to play are already covered (I don't get to play enough to get bored of the armies I can access). Second, because IP issues will likely mean that any mass-produced army won't be able to match the GW aesthetic closely enough to satisfy my requirements. And third (the positive reason) because I can imagine 10mm fantasy terrain matching the GW imagery being doable and there is nothing 'perfect' out there at the moment.

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Re: [WM] 10mm fantasy miniatures range survey
« Reply #17 on: May 31, 2012, 11:08:09 PM »
Voted top three.  Special mention to #4.

Characters of myth or legend: unless they're known for leading or fighting in big armies, and given the scale of the confrontation in the example (one Geat vs. one bog monster), it could be a wee bit outside Warmaster's scope.

1. Generic fantasy: I love those golden years in the 80's with generic fantasy made by granadier, nick land, and ral partha, that pops up with full display of imagination and open minded set of figures. Love to see this explosion in 10mm figures (and also it is not a complain because we have nowdays several active manufacturers).

Aye, that.  Very few dragons since the '80's match Julie Guthrie or John Dennet's Grenadier stuff, IMO.

1. In general, do you prefer your troops strip mounted or individually based? And why?
Also, does that go for both, Infantry and Cavalry?
2. With that in mind, do you prefer to buy whole units, or individual strips/figures?

I wondered about a 10mm range myself, too long ago.  I was told that the GW-style strips were deadly mould-rippers.  Pity, 'cos I like the idea, but I'd personally go for singles if I was producing any.  On the other side of the webshop, I wouldn't mind buying either strips or singles, or whole units.

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3. Same goes for Characters and Monsters. Do you prefer to buy them individually or in packs/sets?

Depends on model and WM unit size.  No strong feelings though.

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4. How do you personally judge the quality of a 10mm sculpt? Or, what makes a good 10mm figure for you?
I know, this is an odd one, but I find myself looking at a lot of 10mm ranges out there, and they simply don't appeal to me... especially when compared to GW figures. It may just be the photos, but I often find that the proportions are not quite right (big heads, small horses, etc.).

Tell me about it!  At the risk of sounding like a fanboy, GW's Warmaster range is the only 10mm fantasy I like - and even some of that's a bit iffy.  I think that's mostly down to the facts that they've got a decent, established design (Warhammer!) and the sculpts are kept reasonably tidy, smooth and sharp, in my eyes.  Even if some detail is sacrificed so long as things are kept tidy and sharp, that's fine by me.
Most of the rest of 10mm fantasy seems to be produced by historical-style or oldschool sculptors.  That is, flubbing design (including pose), proportions, details, and/or tidiness, just so long as they can knock it out in the minimum time and it kinda looks like what it's supposed to be.  I've got kind-of impossible standards, maybe, but I wouldn't mind if sculptors or their employers put a wee bit more love into the finished articles and treated them as tiny figurines as well as game counters.

I don't like Pendraken's legless Asterix-faced dwarfs* (or their dearth of photos, for that matter); Copplestone's horses are oddly proportioned, I don't like his pinch-nosed wolves or his plasticard-armed half-orcs, and his not-fellbeast makes me want to cry; and Kallistra's stuff looks 'uge, and their dragons look like they're from a Christmas cracker.

*I like Asterix, I do.  But if I'm looking for dwarf proxies for a grimdark or third age game, I maybe rather they didn't look like they were deformed mutants looking for roast boar and stringing up the noisy bard.

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5. As far as I can tell, 10mm scale is not a very accurate measurement. How much of an issue do think the different sizes between various ranges are?

I got some of Copplestone's 10mm to go with BoFA stuff.  It might not matter much when they're at arm's reach and a foot apart on the table, but when I lined them up and noticed Mark's chunky, hunched orcs dwarfing the plastic elves, I just thought 'no'.

I like 10mm to mean 10mm - to the top of head, if you want to narrow it down further.  Again, maybe I'm being too strict, but when you start to go 12mm and beyond and still call it 10mm, it just loses it's meaning for me.  2mm difference is like - what? - a foot taller at that scale?  But it's not going to make the mini too much easier to sculpt or paint, IMO.  So with all that, why on earth go 12mm+ in the first place?  Leave the scale creep to the 35mm tall '28mm' minis.

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6. With a completely new range/setting, would you want it to have its own rules set? Or just the minis?

And lastly, I'm guessing that most people on this forum here are fairly biased towards (as am I) GW's Warmaster, both in terms of aesthetics as well as the rules... is that correct?

Just the minis for now, and for that reason.
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Re: [WM] 10mm fantasy miniatures range survey
« Reply #18 on: July 02, 2012, 09:50:08 PM »
Hi Gang

Just wanted to say thanks to you all again for voting and commenting. I really appreciate it.
Although the poll is now closed, this topic is not. So please feel free to add to it whenever you think of something you'd like to share.

I've been thinking hard about all this and have started sketching on a few ideas already. Once I have a few more ideas together I will try and convince the people with all the resources to take on this project.
No idea when or if this will happen, but I'll definitely keep you all posted.

In the meantime, I also still interested in hearing from any 10mm scale sculptors who might be interested in taking part in this endeavour.
If all else fails, I might still try and get this off the ground myself somehow.

In other news, I will finally have my first game of Warmaster this Friday... against the mighty Christian Burnett himself (and his Lizards). Will let you all know how it goes...
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Re: [WM] 10mm fantasy miniatures range survey
« Reply #19 on: July 02, 2012, 09:58:32 PM »
Say hi to Chris and Sarah from me plx !!  8)

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Re: [WM] 10mm fantasy miniatures range survey
« Reply #20 on: July 02, 2012, 10:39:07 PM »
keep us informed about the proyect, looking to your figure conversions and your artskill the project seems fascinating!

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Re: [WM] 10mm fantasy miniatures range survey
« Reply #21 on: July 18, 2012, 11:03:37 AM »
Say hi to Chris and Sarah from me plx !!  8)

Done... Chris says hi, too.
Sarah is currently overseas, so I didn't get to see her.

Got my first two games in with Chris and he made me learn the hard way :P
Am planning to write up some reports of the encounters, but haven't had time, yet.

Currently painting up some more troops and then we'll be playing a mini campaign... I think I got him quite excited about Warmaster again.
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Re: [WM] 10mm fantasy miniatures range survey
« Reply #22 on: July 18, 2012, 11:07:55 AM »
Next up, not really an update, but another request/opportunity for your input.

Tor Gaming, who I do quite a lot of (concept) work for, are doing some market research on scales. I'm still trying to sway them to do something in 10mm, but currently they are leaning more towards 15mm. Well, you can help me change that by voting in the poll on their Facebook page:
http://www.facebook.com/TorGaming

Have a look when you get a chance and make your voice heard.

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Re: [WM] 10mm fantasy miniatures range survey
« Reply #23 on: October 26, 2012, 10:45:27 PM »
Any news?

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Re: [WM] 10mm fantasy miniatures range survey
« Reply #24 on: November 03, 2012, 06:47:39 PM »
Any news?

Not at this stage, sorry. It's not off the table, but if and when it may come to fruition is still up in the air.
Will let you know as soon as there's something to report.

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Re: [WM] 10mm fantasy miniatures range survey
« Reply #25 on: November 08, 2012, 08:43:59 AM »
If you can do a load of artwork and commission a small number of greens, Kickstarter or Indigogo might be thw way to go for 10mm fantasy?

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Re: [WM] 10mm fantasy miniatures range survey
« Reply #26 on: May 06, 2013, 10:08:32 PM »
We should probably re-open this once GW is out of the market altogether. If they're no longer the 600 pound gorilla in fantasy 10mm, then suddenly there's room for someone else to jump in selling elves/dwarves/lizardmen/etc. Not Warhammer IP, of course, but generic fantasy ones.

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Re: [WM] 10mm fantasy miniatures range survey
« Reply #27 on: May 06, 2013, 10:34:13 PM »
Evil and Chaos's work now looks even more appetising than it was a few months ago!
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Re: [WM] 10mm fantasy miniatures range survey
« Reply #28 on: August 02, 2013, 03:10:30 PM »
reopened!

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Re: [WM] 10mm fantasy miniatures range survey
« Reply #29 on: October 09, 2013, 10:00:01 AM »
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