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Offline Guthwine

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Re: warmaster blisters no longer available?
« Reply #30 on: May 04, 2013, 02:01:34 PM »
So it has come to this. :(

It really is a shame, that GW drops their best games. We can only hope that the drop, will ease GWs stance on the proxie makers. I am just afraid that this is probably the end of those games as its not going to help bringing newbies into the game.
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« Reply #31 on: May 04, 2013, 03:27:05 PM »
I guess my comment would be, when was the last time GW ran a Specialist games tourney?  I realize that depending upon where you are in the world you might have access to more GW stores & gaming space than I do.  I've always seen this part of the hobby as being more fan-driven anyhow, so I'd say it only dies if we let it!

There are some great alternative sources of 10mm fantasy miniatures, and I know I'd never begrudge someone putting slightly different-looking dwarves or elves on the table opposite me.
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Re: warmaster blisters no longer available?
« Reply #32 on: May 04, 2013, 05:09:19 PM »
To be honest, although it's a sad day for the SG range (I never played Epic, BFG or Warmaster, but love BB, Necro and Mordheim), I'm actually not that bothered - we have enough stuff within our "core" group to keep us going and to be able to provide for any new players that come our way, and we'll continue to promote them on our website.
Meanwhile, we've finally broken out of our GW "bubble" and embraced the excellent games from other companies, something we may not had done if GW hadn't pulled all their shenanigans over the last few years.

I know, I know, I'm an old and ornery gamer, that isn't GW's target market.  But I have a son that is slap bang in GW's targets, and I've done all I can to steer him away from anything GW related.

I actually think this is good for gaming overall, just not good for SG in general.
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Re: warmaster blisters no longer available?
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Re: warmaster blisters no longer available?
« Reply #34 on: May 04, 2013, 10:28:45 PM »
It's a shame really. And it's the last act in a long and sad process! Maybe I have sensed that some months ago because I already turned away and looked for other Tabletop-Loves! Not found anything yet that has the same place in my heart as Warmaster though!

Will it be of comfort for me that I think GW will not benefit by letting go of a less profitable section that I loved? I fear not.

But the message I get at our gaming club is that GW loses its dominant position for some months now! More and more guys there are playing and trying out other systems like Warmachine, Flames of War, Bolt Action and other historic games and their number has already overtaken the number of Warhammer and WH40k gamers. I don't think that (just) letting go of SG has too much to do with it - but I think the economic crises of the last years combined with the still stubborn prize politic of GW combined with the growing number of competing companies does the job at the moment.

And is "Finecast" really of that poor quality I always hear? (I don't play any GW core game since 14 years so I don't know)

My conclusion is: I would not become a GW shareholder anymore at the moment.
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Re: warmaster blisters no longer available?
« Reply #35 on: May 05, 2013, 10:35:06 AM »
I don't think GW will allow us to go and play warmaster (or any other SG) at Warhammer World after they've stopped selling the figures to be honest so going down for a big game protest would probably not work.

It's a shame but I'm not going to get emotional about it. They are a profit maximising, shareholder driven business. They seem to think (and they have all the numbers, not us) that by massively reducing the diverse range they currently carry and by concentrating on selling mainly just plastic figures for just 3 game systems they can make more money.

I agree their customer base is shrinking. Veteran players are going over wholesale to other companies. This does not appear to be impacting on their bottom line though (the only think that counts to them). They are going for the 'churn and burn' model - aimed at children who only play for around 2-4 years.

None of this invalidates the rules and figures I already own and I am a part of a large gaming group that has all the warmaster armies between us so I'm not worried.

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Re: warmaster blisters no longer available?
« Reply #36 on: May 05, 2013, 11:51:17 AM »
It's quite funny you know - Warmaster then went on to make Historical and Ancients which you can use any manufacturer for.  Then it's the basis for Black Powder, for Hail Caesar and finally Blitzkrieg Commander.

The latter is what we're playing at my club and everyone is buying armies for it!  Few hundred quid of rulebooks, models and terrain that is not going to GW.
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Re: warmaster blisters no longer available?
« Reply #37 on: May 06, 2013, 04:18:57 AM »
I don't think GW will allow us to go and play warmaster (or any other SG) at Warhammer World after they've stopped selling the figures to be honest so going down for a big game protest would probably not work.

It's a shame but I'm not going to get emotional about it. They are a profit maximising, shareholder driven business. They seem to think (and they have all the numbers, not us) that by massively reducing the diverse range they currently carry and by concentrating on selling mainly just plastic figures for just 3 game systems they can make more money.

I agree their customer base is shrinking. Veteran players are going over wholesale to other companies. This does not appear to be impacting on their bottom line though (the only think that counts to them). They are going for the 'churn and burn' model - aimed at children who only play for around 2-4 years.

None of this invalidates the rules and figures I already own and I am a part of a large gaming group that has all the warmaster armies between us so I'm not worried.

Dave

Well said. My rules still work (and are PDF'd!), my minis still work, and while I'd love for them to keep carrying the line, I'm neither surprised nor really offended. They're responsible to their stockholders, not protestors. Angry letters and demonstrations will annoy them, but not change the core business logic behind their decision. The think they're acting in the long-term best interest of the company. They may be wrong, but if so time will tell.

Meanwhile, I'll continue to love Warmaster. Copies of the rulebook and PDFs are easily available, and if a new friend gets into it, I can point them to Copplestone or Eureka or Tridente Bologna. No doubt GW leaving the segment will improve the bottom lines for these companies.

If you're looking for a silver lining, it's that as a community we're no longer beholden to GW to help encourage people to buy from their line. It's nice that we can point people to an independent company as a first resort. For those of us who were never fans of the Warhammer universe, we're also no longer quite so stapled to the core setting.

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Re: warmaster blisters no longer available?
« Reply #38 on: May 06, 2013, 09:56:43 AM »
That is really sad news....it was some two months ago when I first tried the WM rules on a table, and discovered how excellent game it is. I have been playing WH for some 15 years and always been tired of this "herohammer" and balance issue stuff. And I finally find a game thaht suits me perfectly and this is what happens in next two months...
  I'm not afraid about old armies, like Empire, HE, Chaos, Dwarfs, Undead - there are lots of them round and you can always get them from eBay. But the "new" armies, like DE, Araby, Vampire Counts, Daemons, Brettonia, are to disappear from the face of the planet...
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Re: warmaster blisters no longer available?
« Reply #39 on: May 06, 2013, 10:20:08 AM »
I ought to clarify.  My suggestion of a 'gesture of defiance' when SG goes offline was just  that.  We go to WHW and play some WM to show that we're not dead and gone.  It's not a protest, we just do what we do and how they choose to interpret it is up to them.  My guess is that it will be 'whatever ...'  So, it's more of a funeral wake (ie. celebration of the life of) than a protest.  And if we keep pitching up in the months and years to come to play informally, then we'll keep on celebrating the life of WM.

It will be interesting to see if we get turned away.  As long as we deconflict with their big events, I don't see what complaint they can have?  The only rule they seem to have is that only minis produced by GW can be used there, which is fair enough.  If they won't let people play WM in the hall, will they also stop people playing BB in Bugman's?

Regarding what this all means for GW's overall strategy, I don't really have any insight on the underlying economics.  But it does strike me that there are three life-stages to gamers: newbie, hobbyist, veteran.  Yes, they might make lots of cash from teenage newbies but the serious hobbyists (multiple armies, playing in a club context) must also be a major revenue stream?  But the club context that they progress into often relies on the veterans to provide the underlying organisational infrastructure.  Yes, GW might not make much money from the veterans but they are important opinion formers and in a fickle community like gamers, you perhaps ought not alienate them?  And at some stage the hobbyists become veterans themselves.  It all seems very short-sighted.  But I'm not one of their shareholders and so one can only spectate and ponder, I suppose.
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Re: warmaster blisters no longer available?
« Reply #40 on: May 06, 2013, 11:39:14 PM »
When we last played Warmaster at WHW (not that long ago) they seemed to be delighted and stuck a picture up on their Facebook page so I suspect that they'd be happy enough to see a game there. Last month when I was there there was a pretty large Blood Bowl tournament running. When the figures are finally gone it'll be interesting to see if this continues.

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Re: warmaster blisters no longer available?
« Reply #41 on: May 09, 2013, 01:25:46 PM »
After the order I just placed it seems that GW Aus is out of Warmaster Skaven Clanrats  :'(

Do they exist anywhere else in the world still? Or is it eBay frenzy time for Skaven players?

Repulsives just disappeared as well. I didn't manage to get a last order in for them, unfortunately.
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Re: warmaster blisters no longer available?
« Reply #42 on: May 09, 2013, 02:27:35 PM »
I think you'll see a rush of units at outrageous prices on ebay over the next few months as people who bought specifically to sell try to cash in.

There's also people on this forum who have a pack or two of armies that they know they'll never collect, and now that the other stuff they needed is OOP will sell instead of trying to track all that stuff down. So don't lose heart.

On DakkaDakka, there's an thread where epic players are trading incomplete armies to one another so they can all have complete armies. Ideally, something like that will happen here so the dedicated players won't gut one another on the less widely available factions. Not that charging a price someone else will pay is bad, just as a service to the hobby. :)

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« Reply #43 on: May 09, 2013, 06:19:30 PM »
Wellspring,
Thanks for the Tridente Bologna tip-off.  I'd not seen their range.  How does their size compare with GW minis?
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Re: warmaster blisters no longer available?
« Reply #44 on: May 09, 2013, 07:39:39 PM »
In the catalgue there are a couple of entries with comparation pics

http://www.forum.specialist-arms.com/index.php?topic=4246.0

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http://www.forum.specialist-arms.com/index.php?topic=4118.0