General Question Thread

[Time of Madness]

Thanks, that is exactly what I was looking for

Time of Madness

[Stormwind]

When I buy a Chaos Spawn unit - do I get 2 chaos spawn or just 1 stand? Do they have to be in the same brigade?  Bit confused.

[wmchaos2000]

1. Two, i think.

2. No, they can move with different brigades.
The entry says "Spawn" "1"-stand, so they work as one unit each.
Every single spawn stand can move with one ordinary unit, so max two stands in a two unit brigade and so on.
Those spawn stands do not count towards the max-4-units-in-a-brigade-rule.

[Stormwind]

Ah, thank you!  Finally got my hands on one and eager to add it to infantry to get that TERROR bonus!

[Stormwind]

How far can a unit charge when given an order? Can a flying unit charge a metre across the board?

Can a cavalry unit charge at 30cm distance?

[jchaos79]

Infantry 20cm
Cavalry 30cm
Flyers 100cm

No matter if they are in regular o irregular formation.

But it is needed Line of Sight (LOS) to the target before starting the charge. You cannot charge nothing you are no seeing when the order is given.

In the Initiative subphase the distance for charge is 20 cm no matter if they are infantry cavalry or flyers (not sure of this last sentence, need to check in the ruleset)

[Stormwind]

Ah good, wow, that makes sense.

And is it true that Flyers can ONLY be issued orders from 20cm distance?

[wmchaos2000]

Yes. Which makes Home Back vital. And good strategy. 

[Lex]

Infantry 20cm
Cavalry 30cm
Flyers 100cm

No matter if they are in regular o irregular formation.

But it is needed Line of Sight (LOS) to the target before starting the charge. You cannot charge nothing you are no seeing when the order is given.

We are getting more consensus on restricting Flyers to charge at over 60 cm.

Remember that ALL of (the points on) your stands ARE restricted to that maximum move into contact, and that ANY change in orientation of a stand IS actually movement and should be taken into consideration when making that move!

NOTE!  and this is important! VERY important. There is no CHARGE order in Warmaster. The restriction on being able to charge is NOT on the moment of making that charge, but on the actual "start of moving into contact with enemy". LOS to the enemy is a consideration AT THAT POINT IN TIME, not at the moment of rolling the dice for the order!!

EG. I have a unit of archers in line in front of three units of knights in column behind them, the distance between the archers and the enemy is 21 cm. I indicate I am making a order on that brigade, roll my dice for a successful cast.

1) I move my archers of to the side (probably trying to get them to line up to shoot a supporting line of infantry if that would be my target for the knights charging in.
2) the frontal unit of each of my stands of knight now has LOS on the enemy (with 23cm! between the opposing units)
3) as the order to the brigaded unit was successful, and my unit(s) have LOS on the enemy I now fulfill the conditions to "move into contact" aka Charge!!
4) I opt to start with my middle unit, so I determine the closest enemy stand and move into center-2-center contact
((a) this is probably a direct move forward, so I move 23 cm)
((b) remember not to forget S&S should the charged unit have missile weapons
5) I pick the second stand of my charging unit. this one moves
- up 8cm (it needs to clear the adjoining units!!)
- slightly over 19 cm into corner to corner contact with the first stand placed (measure this or use Pythagoras!)
- directly forward 4 cm, into contact with the enemy

OH WAIT.......

[Alexander]

lex, last weekend I /  my opponents played it a little different, the brigade had to stick together when using an order on a brigade. When moving units out of the brigade you would need more orders. One order to move the archers to the side and another to move the brigade? That is at least how all my opponents played/said that  was the way the rules were. My opponent showed it in the rulebook.

I would be more then happy if your way would be correct and I could detache a brigade with one order.

[Jurisch]

Hi Alexander,

the brigade needs to stay together when moving, except units that charge out of a brigade.

Regards,

Jürgen

[Lex]

if you want to SPLIT a brigade then you need to give separate orders to the "splinters"

However there is ONE, rather major exception to this rule, and that is the situation where one or more of the units in the brigade would end up in contact with the enemy when moving after a successful order.

In that situation, those units that NOT end up in contact with the enemy still need to maintain brigade integrity (iow. still touch).

In my example in the previous post that would mean that the split-off archers end up being unengaged (and could even be ordered again!) and that those Cavalry units that could NOT make it into combat........ (and there is still the open question IF they CAN!! and so, how many stands........) end up in contact with each other AND the archers.

I will see if I can find time over the next days to put up some examples.

[Stormwind]

Thanks Lex, that would help!

[Alexander]

ok so if any units in a brigade want to charge I can detache the units that are in front of it? For my understanding

OOO
OOO

CCC
HHH
KKK

When i want to charge the orcs(O) with my knights (K)  I can move the crossbowmen(C) and halbediers(H) out of the way? I must form a brigade with the crossbowmen and halbediers?

[Lex]

ok so if any units in a brigade want to charge I can detache the units that are in front of it? For my understanding

OOO
OOO

CCC
HHH
KKK

When i want to charge the orcs(O) with my knights (K)  I can move the crossbowmen(C) and halbediers(H) out of the way? I must form a brigade with the crossbowmen and halbediers?

Correct. one Order to rule them all