siege models

[cjbennett22]

Where can I find some nice models to represent the warmaster siege equipement list?
the rock droppers, the boiling oil droppers, a sally gate, etc etc.

I just played a siege game and kept forgetting the other minor things because there was no physical representation on the table top.  I can find a few things but just wondering if anyone had something they really liked.  I have been patient but all I have seen on ebay are 2 battering rams from gamesworkshop so I have just given up on finding those models.

Thank you everyone.

One question on the siege games, how many people remove the siege towers from the table after being destroyed and how many people just lay them down to become a road block or maybe rough terrain?

[Stormwind]

Kallistra is your best bet for some of the Siege items but I'm afraid the scale is a little large.

[cjbennett22]

Scale is the interesting part of this conversation.  I have custom made walls to properly fit the 40x20mm stands 2 deep for the attackers and the defenders to be fighting on the wall.  There fore I had to make sure to make my own siege towers to perfectly fit an entire unit's 3 stands on the wall and tower, I just don't know how to do a representation of the sally gate, the rock piles and the boiling oil.  I found a magister militum that makes some nice looking models (I don't own any and I am just looking at their website pictures).  But I was thinking on just flocking a dime size base with rocks to act as a token for rock droppers.  Rock droppers being the handful of guys that are assigned to pick up the rocks and dropping them onto the attackers 

I have ladders and mantlets, I could make some log rams but I know those would end up looking like poo
and I could make the sow's much like the battering rams but I have yet to even want them in battle 

I found some earthworks on pico armor that I think would work great ( have not bought them yet)  They have some bunkers that could possibly work for artillery bunkers and both kallistra and the magister militum have siege cannon units that would work perfectly for mangonels, bombards and tribocks.  Both sites also seem to have the same palisade walls, mantlets and....I forget their name now....privos?  not a mantlet but a large shield.

I have attached a few pictures of my game.  The cannons on the tower took out 1 siege tower and 1 battering ram on approach, the second tower was brushed off by the defenders but the third battering ram took out the gate exactly the same time the chaos warriors took the opposite wall by ladders (with miracle rolls, actually killed a stand of rangers in the process).

Oh, there is a random 2 story house out in front of the walls in one pic, ignore that thing, I don't know what it's doing there.


I am getting my list together and then making one large purchase across all of the web.

[jchaos79]

For boiling oil there is a reference of pendraken ottoman range that could work.

http://www.forum.specialist-arms.com/index.php?topic=5848.0

You could contact Leon and ask for a number of soup pouts, and he will be glad to sell you the pouts individually. Leon is very open to do this kind of things and understood the necesities of his clients.

Pendraken also have a siege tower
http://www.forum.specialist-arms.com/index.php?topic=4262.0

by the way very nice castel you had made! congrat!

[cjbennett22]

I thought about doing that as well with the "Halfling command unit" from the magister militum but was worried to ask if it was possible to just get the pot

http://www.magistermilitum.com/fhl501-halfling-command.html

I have been trying to figure out how to magnetize something to the front lip of the wall.  it would make the oil a lot more visible during a game and also that is where they would put the pots, and then just roll them over by just pulling a rope, maybe get the pandraken model with that wooden dowel going through the top of it.  I could put pins into my walls coming straight out and just lay that pot across them.

Thank you on the castle, lots of labor but it doesn't look that good in person    It was a practice run that looks good enough and frankly I think it looks perfect with brumbaer's paper towers.

What does everyone do with their busted siege towers during a game?

[jchaos79]

I missed that halfling reference! nice figures indeed.

The busted siege towers in my games "disappear" 

[cjbennett22]

During my game mentioned above I was keeping them, but laying them down on their side, pretending to get knocked down by the cannon balls.  Towards the end though, the last tower was destroyed by the defenders on the wall, I didn't really like the rule that the defenders could tip it over so I kept it there but removed the ramp.  The next turn though I knew I did something wrong because it blocked the LOS of the last battering ram.  Took a note of the question for the rules and moved on.  The battering ram knocked the gate down the next turn and Chaos was in.  They climbed up the wall section as well but with the gate open, it made things very easy for them.

I still like it to maybe be a rough terrain marker just like the "rubble" left over from the fallen wall sections.  I think I will try that next.  I don't want a bonus to the attackers when the siege equipment is destroyed.

Actually, another question.  As the infantry stands are lined up to push the tower forward, they are supposed to be INSIDE the tower as explained in the rules.  When the tower is destroyed should the men move up to the front of the former siege tower, getting that much closer to the wall for free because they were inside it?  I keep them where they are when the siege tower is destroyed right now.  Again, I never want the attacker to benefit in any little way when a siege piece is destroyed.

Thank you for everyone's help with these rules

[cjbennett22]

I am still racking my brain on a sally gate  :/  could anyone share a picture of one that they have?

[forbes]

For a sally gate then a model of a door would work wouldn't it? Perhaps with a stone arch around it. You can probably make one from card, or some plastic bits?

I would also recommend the kallastra range for various siege engines. I think scale wise they are fine - how big is a battering ram supposed to be, let alone one created by orcs?

[mathiasrapp]

I like the price of the Kallistra seige engines, but I'm bugging out about the width.
It looks right, but feels like it would be cooler if the stands could fit inside.

Although that would make the proportions really weird

I would maybe make some half width (20x20) stands to place inside for the proper look

You could easily theme the seige towers with warhammer bits too