Tale of Warmaster Painters... [SEPTEMBER THREAD]

[jchaos79]

Just one query aren't they based as infantry and not cavalry?

Rolgan they look beatuiful. when I first see them, they shock me. They look great but I do not know what was what makes them different from other stands of goblin raiders. And Azrael gives the clue.

I should try to base more cavalary in the long edge for WMA and WMM, because I liked the look!

[Lex]

Rolgan
Loving those wolf riders, they are very characterful.
Just one query aren't they based as infantry and not cavalry?

looks like they are based on the diagonal....

[Lex]

@Lex: I'm at work at the moment but here's a link to a picture on Stuff of Legends: http://www.solegends.com/citcat911/c2070orkruntz-m.htm. I particularly like the one on the base on the left (Squig 4).

Depending on its actual scale, but yeah that one would work real well ..

[jchaos79]

Here it goes my contribution of this second week: Undead Markers.

When we test the undead army with proxies we mess up the victory points because the Raise Undead spell had raisen some units and we did not be able to differenciate them. The excitment and the clash of the battle confuses us. Then we take care in the next battle, but was a little annoying reusing eliminated units and still remembering which has been reused with Raise Undead Spell. Then I decide that I want some markers to attach to the  risen units  during the battle to not mess up the victory points.

Because dwarfs, elves and empire will be the most probablies foes to undead in our games I have paint 3 elves fresh-deaths markers, one for dwarfs and other for empire. I also paint 3 generic markers (undead risen) to use with other armies or if it is needed more against the "good guys forces"

[Stomm]

Its nice to find a use for those casualty counters that couldn't more easily be solved by just using a different coloured dice to the ones that your roll. But wouldn't it just be easier to paint up say around four or maybe five at most units of skeleton warriors (IIRC that is all that you can raise) in a slightly different scheme to the rest of your army?

[jchaos79]

But wouldn't it just be easier to paint up say around four or maybe five at most units of skeleton warriors (IIRC that is all that you can raise) in a slightly different scheme to the rest of your army?

Absolutely. That was the Deluxe option, but did it means much more effort of painting. So I desestimate the idea, but you has taken it again to my mind, and now I am thinking that could be an option for the future if I upgrade to 2k points, painting the next 1k in different colour. So I could use it as Death spell risen corpses in the 1k battles. But the though of upgrade the army to 2k is not in my actual to-do-list. Anyway it is a good observation. Thanks Stomm!

[azrael71]

As I have a TK & a VC army with different basing schemes I just use skellies from the other army to represent raised units.
Not yet played against each other, then I would have issues

[Angor]

Okay I have been really preoccupied this week and havent been able to keep too much track of the progress everyone has been making. I am really impressed, this tale of warmaster painters is going very very well and we are only in week two!

Sorry for backtracking so much but there are several updates I have missed and couldnt resist commenting...

Meister.Petz - I have been painting skaven too recently and have to admit have sacrificed a little on detail to get some of them finished. I really regret this after seeing your beautifully painted stormvermin, the unit looks ace all ranked up! I hope you can maintain such a high level of painting accross the whole army!

m4jumbo - I have to admit I was skeptical about black and white empire, I was expecting it to look flat and lifeless... I was pleasently suprised by your efforts, there is just the right amount of coloured detail added to them to cure me of any worries I am really looking forward to seeing an entire army done!

Stomm - I have been painting Uruks recently and painting white hands on some of their shields almost drove me insane! How you managed to paint perfect designs on so many romans I will never know. You are a person of greater mental fortitue than I my friend.

azrael71 - Mick I will never understand how you manage to paint so many models in such a short amount of time. The spiders look great and by my reckoning every one is different! you certainly put us all to shame. I second your plea with games workshop to sell the alt models again I really wanted to do a savage orc and forest goblin army but I guess it will never happen. Oh and if they did just a limited run of the kislev bears I would definatly buy several packs.

Pugwash - Im not going to return to my ramblings about how great you spearmen look again. They are beautiful! I have to say though im not so convinved on the grass on the base though, its a little too green... if that makes sense? Maybe some brown grass or light desert grass might be better? Maybe... Oh I just scrolled down and saw the brown ones (im reading and writing at the same time... there are too many updates for me to remember them all in one sitting) The brown looks better but I think maybe a little too dark?

Lex - I want to see more pictures of everything! There are some really interesting looking models in that box of yours. I like the warwagon alot, I have always had a special place in my heart for trolls.

Rolgan - More excillent wolves! How did you do the bases as they look great and I would like to steal the look. Also how did you paint the grey wolves? I have been trying to paint some wargs of my own but they look very very bland...

jchaos79 - I have had opponents suffer the same problem you have. It can be hard to keep track of especially in 2000+ pts when there are alot of units being raised all over the place! Yours seems like a really good idea I may point a few undead players this way.  Are they all made from scratch?




Okay And finally I will throw my tiny piece of work into the fray... I will try not to moan too much but they came out alot worse than I was hoping for.I think they may need alot of repainting as the ponys look a little wierd and messy and the crew dont look right either. I am posting them now just to get some feed back but I am definatly going to give them some attention and will repost them in the future.

Here are my golloping guns for the army, made from dwarf cannons and mules with a few random empire models and dwarf crewmembers.

[azrael71]

Thanks for the kind words.
Yes every spider is different.
But I did sort of run out of inspiration half way through so if you don't like spots or strpies tough

As for your galloper guns may I suggest picking out a few details on the guns in a gold/copper/brass/bronze colour and then a quick wash over the details with devlan mud.
I find doing this lifts the appearance of the model, but does make it look less realistic.

[jchaos79]

jchaos79 - I have had opponents suffer the same problem you have. It can be hard to keep track of especially in 2000+ pts when there are alot of units being raised all over the place! Yours seems like a really good idea I may point a few undead players this way.  Are they all made from scratch?

Nop, the are from GW blister of death people. This are discontinued references, I think they go out in the year of Siege. The "generic" zombies/undeads raising from the graves are from pendraken.

I am posting them now just to get some feed back but I am definatly going to give them some attention and will repost them in the future.

I do not see them bad at all: Colour define, highlights, use of washes, bright realistic colour, nice displacement of the figures in the base, the grass is not over the figures.

If you are going to give it more attention, I will go for some extreme highlights in some zones (horse hair, head wear and cannon edges). If you feel that you need more work for the unit, then you could blend with lighter colours the horse harness and the wear/robes of the soldiers and then highlight. For the horse bodies I will go to a dark wash, then a mix (1:4) of the dark colour and white, and finally some highlights of white (Is this the kind of feedback you was searching for? )

Thats what I will do, but still thinking is not bad at all as it is.... 

[m4jumbo]

Been a busy work week so other than priming some new units I haven’t gotten anything done.  Off today though so I hope to get some painting done to catch up for week two. 

Lots of posts since I checked in last, with already some great week 2 contributions.   I’m really looking forward to seeing all the armies when they are finished.

Up next are halberdiers, halberdiers and more halberdiers. 

BTW, nice work everyone, for one thing its really good to see plenty of nicely painted Empire Halberdiers. If I were a betting man, or at least if I hadn't promised the wife that I'd stop playing Blackjack, then I'd give you each maybe two units of them before your will to live gets sapped.

Stomm, I’ll take that bet and raise you three units as I need to get 5 units painted for this 2000 point block.    My goal is to knock off all the halberdiers in the first several weeks which will allow me to do some assembly line painting and also get them out of the way and move onto other units.

I really like the Wolf Riders that have been posted in groups of three per stand.  I’ll definitely want to use that idea for when I get to my Orc & Gobbo army.    Now if only I had some Spider Riders and could paint them as quickly as azrael71. 

[Rolgan]

Alright, my bad I`ve had too many trials in the last week and have been negligent.  Without any further ado...

Meister.Petz - I really appreciate the effort you put into your models, you show a consistent attention to detail that warms my heart.

m4jumbo - I too was skeptical about a black and white colour scheme, you`ve managed it brilliantly!  Hopefully, you`ll take a break from Halbardiers and show us something else.  I should also add, nice lead stash, makes me jealous.

Stomm - Your shields on the Romans inspire me!  I honestly thought they were decals or transfers.  An amazing commitment to getting it right.

azrael71 - Other than commenting that quantity has a quality all its own, I don`t have much comment.  Your ability to `Get èr Done!` astounds me, I could never churn out the number or consistency that you are capable of.

Pugwash - I`m with Angor on this one, your Araby is a fine sight to behold.  I like the basing but agree a more scorched grass look would be more effective.  I will say that your scroll work on the banners is impressive.

Lex - Kudos to you on your conversions and alternate kislivite army.  It is a spectacle and I can`t wait to see where you go with it.

Angor - I agree that the guns could use a different color metal to break up the gunmetal, That being said your attention to shield details on your WM-ME models humbles me, I hope to be able to replicate it when my Copplestones arrive.

jchaos79 - Not sure I commented on either of your submissions, so with respect to the Veterans, I love the basing and choice of colours.   As for the markers, I think your execution was excellent and can appreciate why you would choose to do it the way you have.  A further comment would be your basing which I happen to really like, what static grass did you use

Swordmaster - Your choice of OOP models makes me jealous, I got into 10mm late.  I have to say that your models are simply brillant.  You have a great sense of color and your delivery of top notch painting never fails to impress.  I love the shields and cloaks.

I`m sure that I`ve left someone or bodies out, but I mean no disrespect.

As for the comments on my wolfriders:

Painting Grey:

1.  Undercoat Black
2.  Drybrush Charadon Grey
3.  Drybrush Adeptus Battlegrey
4.  Drybrush VMC Neutral Grey
5.  Wash with Badab Black
6.  Pick out details with VMC Neutral Grey
7.  Go one step further with VMC Pale Greyblue
8.  Go back over the model with VMC Black to put clean up details (particularly face and cheeks)

Basing:

1.  Using a dull carpet knife cut wine cork
2.  Using smooth pliers break off chunks of cork
3.  Attach to base in whatever arrangement suits you.  (I use the big chunks for main areas and the pieces broken off as well)
4.  Attach models to base, this may mean cutting, or gouging gaps into the cork to fit the model.
5.  Using PVA sand the base.
6.  Paint the base ( I used scorched brown as models were painted first)
7.  Ink the base with old Citadel brown Ink
8.  The Stones are drybrushed Charadon Grey
9.  Drybrush Adeptus Battlegrey
10. Add in some very dark blue lines I used RMC Breonne Blue.
11. Inkwash stones Badab Black. (not finished yet)
12  Drybrush sand Scorched Brown
13. Drybrush sand Snakebite leather or in My case Raw Sienna
14. Drybrush sand Vermin Brown
15. Inkwash Devlan Mud (Not stones)
16. Drybrush VMC Khaki Grey (Not stones, but don`t worry about over brushing)
17. Drybrush very lightly Rotten Flesh (Same as 16)
18. Dry brush stones VMC Neutral Grey
19. Add Woodland scenics coarse turf (Dark green)

As for my choice of basing style, I don`t mean to reopen old arguments, but I play my WM mostly according to WMA rules and skirmish cav are based to the long edge.  I based them at a diagonal because I may end up having to play Straight WM rules and don`t want them looking too ridiculous.

Hope this helps and thanks for the motivation.

-C  

[m4jumbo]

Pugwash, I like the flock on the left unit below.  It definately looks like something you would find growing in an arid environment, a nice scrub brush/tumbleweed effect.  And the coloring goes well with paint scheme you are using.

[Carrington]

As for my choice of basing style, I don`t mean to reopen old arguments, but I play my WM mostly according to WMA rules and skirmish cav are based to the long edge.  I based them at a diagonal because I may end up having to play Straight WM rules and don`t want them looking too ridiculous.

Hope this helps and thanks for the motivation.

-C  

Smart idea on the diagonal basing.  And you remind me that I should buy some better (real cork) wine.

[jchaos79]

jchaos79 -   A further comment would be your basing which I happen to really like, what static grass did you use

As for my choice of basing style, I don`t mean to reopen old arguments, but I play my WM mostly according to WMA rules and skirmish cav are based to the long edge.  I based them at a diagonal because I may end up having to play Straight WM rules and don`t want them looking too ridiculous.

Hope this helps and thanks for the motivation.

Rolgan thanks for the detail instruction step by step. I surley try the wine cork, looks great (and also is a motivation to drink wine   just for the hobby)

For the basing I use a mix of three static grass, but the main component is Citadel scorched grass (order code 66-43). The other two component are from train static modelisim and unfortunatly I get rid of the original boxes. I will make a pic of the three component and also of the mixing bowl.

About using WMA for fantasy I also want to make some games. One project, now a little forgoten, is to make Glorantha (Fantasy setting) armies and use WMA to those armies. And also make some convertion of the Fantasy lists to WMA, but I have to test them first and make more games of WMA unitl I dare to make the glorantha lists or fantasy convertion (I have some ideas but needed to be test in battlefield). If there is no inconvenience, could you post somewhere or PM your lists? I am very interested in see how you have done them and maybe use them in the future.

The decision of basing the wolfs diagonal I think is a real good idea. Looking to the pics, this gives them a very dinamic (parthian shoot style) mood.