Gaps

[jchaos79]

Hi,

Question 1: Can red cavalry attack to the background blue?




Question 2: And can red cavalry attack to the artillery base slightly in the back?

[Geep]

I would think it could in both cases, but then the flanking units are engaged in the combat as well (and the cavalry may get the flanked penalty, since the front corner of the flanking units is touching their side?)

[Aldhick]

Yes for both cases:

This rule prevents units moving through gaps whilst
close to enemy units and where there is little room for
effective manoeuvring. Note that although stands are
not permitted to pass between enemy stands as
described, this does not prevent them moving
between such stands to charge them, assuming there
is room to do so (See Moving Chargers p32).

[Grimnir]

...this does not prevent them moving
between such stands to charge them...

Purely from the construction of the sentence, I think the "charge them" refers to "such stands". In other words, the stands which make the gap.
So if there's a 35mm gap between the two units and the attacking unit is placed so it could charge to the side of one of them, it actually can.

[Dave]

Yes to both, but only if its ordered. The Cav would only count as flanked if an enemy's front edge was touching its side or back edge though, otherwise everyone would roll the normal number of attacks.

[Ole]

Yes for both cases:

This rule prevents units moving through gaps whilst
close to enemy units and where there is little room for
effective manoeuvring. Note that although stands are
not permitted to pass between enemy stands as
described, this does not prevent them moving
between such stands to charge them, assuming there
is room to do so (See Moving Chargers p32).

But the Gap rule says:
From Rulebook:
The exception to this rule is that a stand cannot pass through a gap between two enemy stands or between an enemy stand and any feature or friendly stand unless the gap is wider than the stand’s own frontage as shown.

Since 2cm is not wider as the stands own frontage it should be no in both cases, shouldn't it?

Ole

[Dobbsy]

I always assumed Ole's version was the correct outcome.

[Dave]

That's a rather strict interpretation of some, unfortunately, loose language. We've always played it that if the stand can fit, it can go there. If there's room for a 20mm wide artillery unit there, there's room for a cav unit with 20mm of frontage.

At this point in the game, GW's not going to send out their rule police, so group consensus it.

[jchaos79]

In my humble opinion both situations are not possible to charge.

Red cavalry can see unit objective but can not reach them, so the charge should be to one of the foreground blue units.

It is interesting see the point of view of many people.

Thanks for the responses.

[wmchaos2000]

1.
Since the charging stand ends up touching the two first ones, ok.
If it had to move throu the gap and then ending up not touching the two first ones, not ok. Gap rule applies, 4cm (1+2+1).
But I think the charger only counts as charging the original charged unit.

2.
Same as 1.

Hmm, after some more thinking, I am not totally sure on 1. The gap rule may take prescidence and stop the charger from reaching original target.
Need some more experienced input here. 

[Lex]

By the book the interpretation is NO, the gap is not enough to move the stand through. This is a way to keep artillery safe from chargers. That said, anything with a stand and shoot would be better off with a flush frontal edge, forcing the attacker to fight 3 units and suffer S&S and probably supporting stands in CR

[honestmistake]

I would suggest that the answer is NO to the first cquestion as the charging unit is charging through the gap (ie: it's front edge will pass the 'gap' forming stands rear edge.
However in the 2nd situation it has never even have occured to me that the gap rule might be of relevance as the charging unit is not passing any units. The second situation is extremely common in our games and (as far as I remember) not once has this interpretation been challenged.

[Jurisch]

Hi,

Can't pass from my point of view, you require 4 cm, because the passing of the units in the front is still movement, even you are charging.

Regards,
Jürgen